Shot Scope Users Group

[03trdblack]

On 4/24/2023 at 6:28 AM, PhilM75072 said:

Just curious. Was it your first time playing that course? If not, how long since you last played it? Even with the V3, I have found if I haven't played my home course in a week or more, it takes a very long time to find the satellites and synch the course.

It was and I hope this weekend's attempt will go faster now that it's seen the course before. 

[nupezb]

General question: I’m still new to Shot Scope, but I have three putters I might rotate during the season. Can I tag and name all three to do comparisons if needed?


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[JerryB]

3 minutes ago, nupezb said:

General question: I’m still new to Shot Scope, but I have three putters I might rotate during the season. Can I tag and name all three to do comparisons if needed?


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Yes you can.  I've got a couple of clubs that move in and out of my bag on occasion.  Each new club you add to a particular tab will show up as a different color for comparison purposes.

[fixyurdivot]

36 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I follow the bold strategy.  What is a layup? 

 

So in truth we're no different than the "bomb and gouge" pros we often lament as playing boring golf.  Well, maybe a little different but why squabble over a few hundred feet .

[nupezb]

Yes you can.  I've got a couple of clubs that move in and out of my bag on occasion.  Each new club you add to a particular tab will show up as a different color for comparison purposes.

Thanks. I just ordered some putter tags.


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[MattF]

22 hours ago, MIgregb said:

 

I'm curious whether either of you had the lock feature turned off for golf? I'm assuming that's one of the reasons SS has separate lock functions for golf and watch.

I have mine unlocked for both.

[MattF]

20 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

. Sorry I can't help you with the  phone issues - I am surprised since I know a bunch of guys that use your operating system and the SS app. Maybe @MattF can help you. 

Even though I having issues with the X5, I love the watch and all of the new features. Knowing SS they're diligently working on the firmware(?) issue. 

I have a Pixel 7 so it's pure Android. I think that some of the issues for Android users are their manufacturers version of the OS. Samsung etc make changes to the OS before it's released for their phones whereas the Google phones get the straight update.

[tony@CIC]

I was rereading the manual last night and one item jumped out at me - it says that the operating distance for the sensors/watch is 10 centimeters  which is 3.9 inches. I wonder if that effects those that utilize a putter grip where the watch hand is further away. In my  case as a lefty if my putter grip was 'right hand low' it would probably be beyond the range of 10 centimeters. I don't have the issue as my grip happens to be LHL, and my putts get picked up consistently - but just something to keep in mind. 

[MIGregB]

An update on my 3rd time out with the X5. It had a great deal of difficulty finding the course, the same course I've played 2 other times with no other course in between. It initially faulted out after about 10 minutes; it just went back to the "Play Golf" screen. Tried again and it found it in a couple of minutes. While not cloudless, the sky was mostly sunny at the time. Everything went smoothly from there. 

Played 10 holes (one warm-up hole waiting for others to arrive, emphasis on "warming up"!!) with the 9 hole round lasting 1 hr 53 mins. It had 71% remaining battery. Prior to the .84 firmware update, I had 78% battery remaining after playing 9 holes that took 2-1/2 hours. I know it wasn't apples-to-apples since yesterday was 10 holes, but it was still less time in the GPS/Track mode since the 10th hole took less than 15 mins including walking to and from that tee and green. The battery life is still fine, it just doesn't seem to be as good as before the .84 update on my X5.

I had one other anomaly. Before heading out, I wanted to connect the X5 and app to check for updates. It wouldn't connect. So I tried a series of easy to more involved steps learned from prior work arounds with the V3, and it took wiping out the app data (in Android, you go to the app in settings where you can wipe the cache or data without uninstalling the app itself), then signing back into the app before it would connect. I turned the X5 off/on with each step I took, but I did not have to unpair it; that would have been the next step.  I only bring this up because until this happened, the X5 and app never faulted in any way when trying to connect or sync rounds/courses.

I'm still learning my way around things while playing but I wish there was a quicker way to get to the pause function. I used to complain that it took too long to press & hold the button on the V3 to pause it, and that was only 3 seconds with one button push. Sheesh, I need to learn to shut my mouth!!! 

[tony@CIC]

24 minutes ago, MIgregb said:

An update on my 3rd time out with the X5. It had a great deal of difficulty finding the course, the same course I've played 2 other times with no other course in between. It initially faulted out after about 10 minutes; it just went back to the "Play Golf" screen. Tried again and it found it in a couple of minutes. While not cloudless, the sky was mostly sunny at the time. Everything went smoothly from there. 

Played 10 holes (one warm-up hole waiting for others to arrive, emphasis on "warming up"!!) with the 9 hole round lasting 1 hr 53 mins. It had 71% remaining battery. Prior to the .84 firmware update, I had 78% battery remaining after playing 9 holes that took 2-1/2 hours. I know it wasn't apples-to-apples since yesterday was 10 holes, but it was still less time in the GPS/Track mode since the 10th hole took less than 15 mins including walking to and from that tee and green. The battery life is still fine, it just doesn't seem to be as good as before the .84 update on my X5.

I had one other anomaly. Before heading out, I wanted to connect the X5 and app to check for updates. It wouldn't connect. So I tried a series of easy to more involved steps learned from prior work arounds with the V3, and it took wiping out the app data (in Android, you go to the app in settings where you can wipe the cache or data without uninstalling the app itself), then signing back into the app before it would connect. I turned the X5 off/on with each step I took, but I did not have to unpair it; that would have been the next step.  I only bring this up because until this happened, the X5 and app never faulted in any way when trying to connect or sync rounds/courses.

I'm still learning my way around things while playing but I wish there was a quicker way to get to the pause function. I used to complain that it took too long to press & hold the button on the V3 to pause it, and that was only 3 seconds with one button push. Sheesh, I need to learn to shut my mouth!!! 

Thanks for the update. I'm going out tonight by myself to play 9. I need to try all of the functions available with the X5. When I play with others I feel too rushed to get into the other screens as I don't wan to hold up the group. As mentioned in my previous message I'm also rereading the manual and will probably even take it with me tonight when I play. 

[CudaKota66]

1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:

I was rereading the manual last night and one item jumped out at me - it says that the operating distance for the sensors/watch is 10 centimeters  which is 3.9 inches. I wonder if that effects those that utilize a putter grip where the watch hand is further away. In my  case as a lefty if my putter grip was 'right hand low' it would probably be beyond the range of 10 centimeters. I don't have the issue as my grip happens to be LHL, and my putts get picked up consistently - but just something to keep in mind. 

Is the 10cm distance for the V3 or the X5? I was thinking that's for the V3 but I may be wrong.

I do putt LHL (as a righty) & that was one of my beefs with the V3 - it missed putts when I went from 'standard' to LHL putting mid-season.

I thought I read the X5 is supposed to have an increased sensor/watch range to alleviate the 'x-hand-low' issue but haven't trialed it yet (yes, I'm still trialing that 'other system') 

Thanks to all for relaying all of the +/- you're encountering. The weather in Indiana has been ridiculous but April showers bring May flowers...and hopefully filled, lush fairways 

[StrokerAce]

On 4/25/2023 at 8:38 AM, StrokerAce said:

** in desperate need for 8-10 tags but cannot find them anywhere (sold out on the shotscope website) ... HELP! **

woohoo!  tags are back in stock if you need any - https://shotscope.com/us/products/accessories/golf-tracking-tags/

[tony@CIC]

31 minutes ago, CudaKota66 said:

Is the 10cm distance for the V3 or the X5? I was thinking that's for the V3 but I may be wrong.

I do putt LHL (as a righty) & that was one of my beefs with the V3 - it missed putts when I went from 'standard' to LHL putting mid-season.

I thought I read the X5 is supposed to have an increased sensor/watch range to alleviate the 'x-hand-low' issue but haven't trialed it yet (yes, I'm still trialing that 'other system') 

Thanks to all for relaying all of the +/- you're encountering. The weather in Indiana has been ridiculous but April showers bring May flowers...and hopefully filled, lush fairways 

The 10cm comes from the X5 manual. Not sure if it was different for the V3 - I never read that manual 

[cksurfdude]

1 hour ago, MIgregb said:

I had one other anomaly. Before heading out, I wanted to connect the X5 and app to check for updates. It wouldn't connect. 

Don't know if this might help in your case, but I have an older Android and when that problem popped up (V2, V3) I'd...

.. toggle Off both Bluetooth and Location.

.. toggle back On both Bluetooth and Location

.. And then was able to Connect Device.

[tony@CIC]

Took the X5 out for a 9 hole test tonight and it performed flawlessly. As mentioned previously I really like the scoring - at the end of the round didn't have to add up the score (BTW a 42). That feature I really like. The hazard distances were ok - didn't use them much since I know the course very well. This would come in handy on new courses I play along with the upcoming dogleg feature be a nice add on. I also tried the 'move pin' feature - it worked just fine but I don't think I'll use it since I always use a LRF for precise distances along with the FMB on the watch. At the end of 9 I had 88% battery remaining. 

A couple of quirks; initially I had a problem accessing GPS sat. on a course I've played before. It looked like it was locked up so I hit the back button and started over and it immediately acquired the GPS sat. Also at the end I noticed that the time was on 24 vs 12 hour. I know I set it for 12 - but just maybe it was operator error. A more thorough test coming on Friday morning - as long as we don't get rained out. 

That's it folks. 

 

 

[golferguy2727]

First round out this evening with the X5. Only played nine holes and forgot to get it gps connected until right at tee off time - only took about 2 minutes. Aside from my normal user issues it was flawless. I used the score function but had no idea how to access it later - will try this evening. Battery remaining a couple of hours after playing nine holes was 53% so fine for 18 holes but no way to get beyond that it seems. It was a good playing experience vs my v3 - with the mixed feedback so far, I was a bit hesitant to use it this time out - but it was a good experience

[tony@CIC]

11 hours ago, golferguy2727 said:

 I used the score function but had no idea how to access it later - will try this evening. 

I don't think you can access the final score screen once you turn off the watch - I reread the manual and don't see it there as well. I assume that they figured the user would be downloading the watch to the app which has the round info.

I did notice in reviewing the round that on one hole the tee shot was captured incorrectly. It had me hitting my drive from the tips vs normal tee box I have set up. On that point in both the video and the instructions it says when you start the gps/tracking you can set the tee box - I have not had that functionality come up. 

 

[golferguy2727]

20 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

I don't think you can access the final score screen once you turn off the watch - I reread the manual and don't see it there as well. I assume that they figured the user would be downloading the watch to the app which has the round info.

I did notice in reviewing the round that on one hole the tee shot was captured incorrectly. It had me hitting my drive from the tips vs normal tee box I have set up. On that point in both the video and the instructions it says when you start the gps/tracking you can set the tee box - I have not had that functionality come up. 

 

Thanks @tony@CIC - that’s helpful. I didn’t follow it during the round since I have Shotscope running plus my Golf  Canada app plus a scorecard …. I just wondered how the score did function worked and whether it would be useful for me - unless I grown more hands or a better sense of attention, I should probably stop while I’m ahead and just enjoy the game

[nupezb]

I played nine holes today on the fifth hole. I drove the ball into the water, so I decided to use the lost ball feature. I grabbed my five iron the X5 detected it on my watch. For my next shot, I grabbed a wedge to Chip it on the green. As I grabbed my putter, the five iron still showed on my watch. I tapped my putter against my watch, and nothing happened. I recorded my score and went to the next hole, and my Tags stopped working. My watch basically went into GPS only for my last four holes.


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[Paul Hedrick]

4 minutes ago, nupezb said:

I played nine holes today on the fifth hole. I drove the ball into the water, so I decided to use the lost ball feature. I grabbed my five iron the X5 detected it on my watch. For my next shot, I grabbed a wedge to Chip it on the green. As I grabbed my putter, the five iron still showed on my watch. I tapped my putter against my watch, and nothing happened. I recorded my score and went to the next hole, and my Tags stopped working. My watch basically went into GPS only for my last four holes.


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If/when you find out what went wrong, please let us know.  Your post has validated in my mind to hold off on the X5 for a while, and stay with my V3, until most of the bugs have been addressed.

[PhilM75072]

3 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

I did notice in reviewing the round that on one hole the tee shot was captured incorrectly. It had me hitting my drive from the tips vs normal tee box I have set up. On that point in both the video and the instructions it says when you start the gps/tracking you can set the tee box - I have not had that functionality come up. 

That happens if the tee box you are hitting from has not been mapped properly as a tee box (either a temporary tee or not very distinguishable on satellite imagery used to map the course), or the club tag was not sensed, so it puts your drive at the tips. Selecting the tee box on the watch when starting the round has nothing to do with where tee shots originate. The shot is placed at the point at which you hit it, unless like I just stated.

[nupezb]

1 hour ago, Paul Hedrick said:

If/when you find out what went wrong, please let us know.  Your post has validated in my mind to hold off on the X5 for a while, and stay with my V3, until most of the bugs have been addressed.

As someone who previously used Garmin and Arccos, I'm new to Shot Scope. Ahead of my second outing with the device, I diligently read the entire manual and knew that the X5 takes some time to acquire a satellite. Thus, I started my watch upon arrival at the course and used the pause tracking feature once it gained a satellite. I explored some in-menu options, including the "lost ball" feature, as I was playing alone.

Typically, I don't do much with my watch during rounds other than checking for hazards. Unfortunately, I encountered some issues when the tags stopped working. Despite this setback, I remained hopeful that the GPS and scorecard functions would still work and that I could make some post-round edits. However, I was disappointed to discover that the scorecard stopped after the fifth hole once I uploaded my data. This was incredibly frustrating because I played better during the last four holes and wanted to review the corresponding stats.

 

[tony@CIC]

5 hours ago, PhilM75072 said:

That happens if the tee box you are hitting from has not been mapped properly as a tee box (either a temporary tee or not very distinguishable on satellite imagery used to map the course), or the club tag was not sensed, so it puts your drive at the tips. Selecting the tee box on the watch when starting the round has nothing to do with where tee shots originate. The shot is placed at the point at which you hit it, unless like I just stated.

Not a mapping issue since I've been using a V3 on this course since spring 2022. Interesting point of the tag though - just to be safe I just swapped out all of the tags with the new ones. 

[PhilM75072]

18 hours ago, PhilM75072 said:

Selecting the tee box on the watch when starting the round has nothing to do with where tee shots originate.

Just to emphasize this point, the X5 only offers White and Blue tees at the course I play during startup. I play from the Gold tees and every tee shot is shown from where I tee off, not from the White tees. I then change the tee when I edit the round.

[MIGregB]

23 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

On that point in both the video and the instructions it says when you start the gps/tracking you can set the tee box - I have not had that functionality come up. 

I've only had one tee box appear at either of the 3 courses I've played with the X5, not the range of tee boxes at the course. I was thinking that it corresponded back to tee boxes you've used in posted rounds, but that doesn't appear to be the case as I've used 2 different tees at one of the 3 courses.

[MIGregB]

I played my 4th 9-hole round using the X5 yesterday (I've GOT to find a way to play more 18 hole rounds!!!) in mostly sunny to mostly cloudy skies in mid-Michigan. This was the most problematic round I've had; it missed two shots completely. One was a 6 iron punch-out from the base of a tree that went about 50 yards. I coincidentally used the same 6 iron for the next shot, but it was well away from my punch-out so it shouldn't have thought it to be the same shot. The 2nd was a 9 iron that only went about 10 yards after I hit underneath the ball raised up on a tuft a grass. I switched to my wedge for the next shot and that was the one recorded. I'm using the new tags that came with the X5 so tags shouldn't be an issue. 

I couldn't find it again, but I remember reading something about the X5 using AI to learn the user's patterns to cut down on inadvertent shot detection such as when you swing a club away from the ball to stay loose. I don't know if that's at play here or if I completely misread it. 

[PhilM75072]

16 minutes ago, MIgregb said:

One was a 6 iron punch-out from the base of a tree that went about 50 yards. I coincidentally used the same 6 iron for the next shot, but it was well away from my punch-out so it shouldn't have thought it to be the same shot. The 2nd was a 9 iron that only went about 10 yards after I hit underneath the ball raised up on a tuft a grass. I switched to my wedge for the next shot and that was the one recorded. I'm using the new tags that came with the X5 so tags shouldn't be an issue. 

With regard to that 9i, my understanding of the algorithm with the V3 was that a shot had to travel at least 5 yards. Could that have changed with the X5? Also, in regard to the 6i, I believe the algorithm was that two shots with the same club had to be at least 45 seconds apart. Was that a factor in your case?

[MIGregB]

31 minutes ago, PhilM75072 said:

With regard to that 9i, my understanding of the algorithm with the V3 was that a shot had to travel at least 5 yards. Could that have changed with the X5? Also, in regard to the 6i, I believe the algorithm was that two shots with the same club had to be at least 45 seconds apart. Was that a factor in your case?

I didn't know about the 45 sec feature, but I'm certain it was well over that. I had to wait for a playing partner to hit his shot before my 2nd with the 6 iron. Thanks!

[CudaKota66]

4 hours ago, MIgregb said:

I've only had one tee box appear at either of the 3 courses I've played with the X5, not the range of tee boxes at the course. I was thinking that it corresponded back to tee boxes you've used in posted rounds, but that doesn't appear to be the case as I've used 2 different tees at one of the 3 courses.

@tony@CIC I can't see ShotScope being able to accurately map multiple tee boxes when I really think about it....rather, just a general tee area.

I know one of my home courses move tee markers, combine tee markers, use parallel tee boxes, etc from day-to-day for wear purposes (read-as to protect the teeing grounds). 

In addition, when satellite mapping, the mapper can see a tee box but I doubt they can designate/determine a tee marker - let alone the color.

Greens don't move - only the pin position changes. Thus, either use a LRF, or allowing movement of pin position on the X5 (whereas the Vx-versions only relayed F/M/B yardages & let the player do the estimations/calculations) to the pin.

I wonder if we're expecting too much 

[tony@CIC]

Just got back from playing 18. Everything worked fine - including going from one 9 to another. That is until I got to 18. I lost the gps/tracking just as I was on the tee box. Went to look at the distance to the hole and just had the watch face on. When I went into the menu it wanted me to start again. 

I'm going to do a reset of the firmware to see if that helps.