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I feel like the swing theories sort of came together as a way to teach someone what is most efficient and easily repeatable. However that is more of a new concept in golf I think.

I just got done reading an article by Bruce talking about "Play Swing or Play Golf" >> http://www.bargolfin...-play-golf.html

 

This got me thinking about my first ever golf lesson at 3years old (I can't really remember it honestly). However, I do recall that I was given a club to hold and taught to swing with the goal of controlling the shot. I did take lessons form a PGA Teaching Pro when I was little. However, I highly doubt that the instructor would have bothered with swing philosophy to a 3 to 5 year old, just a grip thing here and a small tweak there in posture and tell you to swing away.

 

Why not just learn to hold the club properly, learn to address the ball properly (aim, posture, etc), then just figure out how to hit shots and control it?

 

That sounds great for a beginner and especially a young beginner, but what about a 48 year old engineer with a single digit handicap who has back problems and has read, seen, and heard 87 different ways to make the golf swing in his life. I know how to make the ball do what I want it to except go a really long way. But there is a lot of competing information out there and this book does a good job of clarifying it.


 

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That sounds great for a beginner and especially a young beginner, but what about a 48 year old engineer with a single digit handicap who has back problems and has read, seen, and heard 87 different ways to make the golf swing in his life. I know how to make the ball do what I want it to except go a really long way. But there is a lot of competing information out there and this book does a good job of clarifying it.

 

I think in your case, or my case, or most of us on this forum, we might just be better off doing what is talked about in "Seven Days in Utopia" when he tells his "disciple" to write down what works for you in the way you want to swing the golf club based on your past success then whenever you get off go back to those fundamentals so that you can develop trust in YOUR SWING. Stick to your grip, your preferred shot shape, your swing. Then comes the hard part. Stop listening to whatever the flavor of the month swing teacher says everyone should be doing and trust that the motion we have worked to make consistent for years and years is good. Then play lots of golf and practice our short games and putting.

 

That seems to be what most of us are advocating here.


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Bro, you're in the same boat as I(minus the age, engineering background & bad back, where I'll substitute two knees that have undergone a combined 12 surgeries, though i'll take these over your back, as I wouldn't wish a bad back on my worst enemy!), and that's why I said that some of JM's stuff may not be for us, however for basically the majority of guys & those others who've posted on this thread, I would read & retread his posts very carefully.

 

He'll, I do, and even if ya don't implement the material, it's valid, accurate & grounded in fact, not opinion. That last part of that sentence is critical with me, and there's none on this forum better than Jeremy, IMO.

 

Anyways, have a good one Bro. I'm goin home today :-)!!!!

 

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Finally, you are getting paroled. Do what your parole officer says or you will find yourself back in the joint.

 

 

I am playing golf in 1/2 an hour so I will know more about this then.


 

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No to stray too far OT, but every link you've posted to one of Bruce's articles has been a great read....thanks for doing that.

Yes that it is I was a little OT in posting it but it seems that all I read in instruction anymore is "how to swing" not really "how to play golf" regardless of your physical abilities.

 

 

That sounds great for a beginner and especially a young beginner, but what about a 48 year old engineer with a single digit handicap who has back problems and has read, seen, and heard 87 different ways to make the golf swing in his life. I know how to make the ball do what I want it to except go a really long way. But there is a lot of competing information out there and this book does a good job of clarifying it.

I understand where you are coming from, and I'm sure the book is a good read. I wanted to kick up a storm of conversation about modern teaching versus old teaching / playing styles. As a 48 year old with back problems you will have limited motion in the golf swing thus effecting you directly and preventing you from making a swing method style swing. You have learned indirectly how to play around your restrictions to a high level (single digit handicap). There is a TON of information out there and tips, knowing how to filter it is 1/2 the battle. I like the last quote in this post about having convection in YOUR swing and not wavering from it unless you 100% have to because of physical changes. Looking at Arnold Palmer swing a club now you see a lot of the same motions just a shorter backswing thanks to limited range of motion.

 

 

HaHa, it's great to have ya drop in JM. For those of you that are new & are not familiar with him, I would say go back and read his prior posts, and think about what he has to say very carefully. I'm not saying that you're gonna agree with everything that he's written or writes, as I haven't, though I will say that it is well thought out and credible and accurate, it just may not be right for you. However, that being said, if you followed 90-93% of his recommendations, you'll be a much improved play. Fairways & Greens 4ever :mizuno-small:

Thanks for your kind words Richard.

 

 

I think in your case, or my case, or most of us on this forum, we might just be better off doing what is talked about in "Seven Days in Utopia" when he tells his "disciple" to write down what works for you in the way you want to swing the golf club based on your past success then whenever you get off go back to those fundamentals so that you can develop trust in YOUR SWING. Stick to your grip, your preferred shot shape, your swing. Then comes the hard part. Stop listening to whatever the flavor of the month swing teacher says everyone should be doing and trust that the motion we have worked to make consistent for years and years is good. Then play lots of golf and practice our short games and putting.

 

That seems to be what most of us are advocating here.

As corny as it sounds there was a ton in Seven Days in Utopia that were not Hollywood at all and really was good advice. I agree you have to know your swing inside and out what other people do doesn't matter. The only person to overhaul their swing drastically even once that is a hall of fame member or future hall of fame member is Tiger Woods. Imagine how many more wins he could have if he stuck to the 1999 swing and the knee didn't blow out on him. You name a player from the Nicklaus era or earlier, look at their swing from start of career to end, you won't find many changes unless something physically happened to them to force it.

 

 

As a side note I figured that the conversation on the book was pretty much covered so I wanted to stray a little OT for a minute about instruction in general in information out there now a days. Sometimes as a really accomplished golfer (single digit) like myself, we NEED to go back to fundamentals and play more carefree like a child would to break our personal scoring barriers.

 

Maybe you agree maybe you don't but just wanted to toss it out there, as someone said before KISS theory. Simpler is better and this is a game meant to be fun.


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Here is the best advice I have ever given and the best "aid" you can get. Go to the store and get you one of these to put in your bag (get the mini version 4.5 X 3.25").

Comp notebook.jpg

 

Write down any swing change that you are working on and take notes on feel, ball flight, and of course positive/negative results. I do this for any change, whether it be mental or physical. Once I get something that works repeatedly, I write it in my "playing pad" and look at it every time I go to the range or course. It really helps during tournament play, to go to it and remember what you need to do to play well. I also have these for tournament courses that I play, with notes about each hole on the course.

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RP, thanks for the Tamayo book recommendation I just ordered it for my kindle. As for my "aha" moment, I don't expect a 170 yd 7-iron to become part of my game from now on (if ever). What I took from Hardy's book is that I was working at cross purposes with regard to how to power a swing, and it definitely simplified my movements. I've since bought all his books and most of the dvd's and as much as I'd like to take a lesson from a plane truth certified instructor, the only one in my area (and he must be a good one) goes for $175/hr. So, I'm gonna see what I can get out of the self-study material before I make that investment.

 

Thanks for the responses everybody. I'll be playing Friday for the first time since that range session, I'll report back with the results.


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I went to the course today, 42* and had to wait until after the snow melted and the course opened up. The course was a sloppy mess. Very little carry because of the temperatures and no roll at all. However, I did get to wack the ball around and actually played quite well, considering I was hitting 2 & 4 & 5 irons instead of 8, 9, and wedge.

 

I just deleted 6 paragraphs that told my life story in golf and am skipping ahead to the meat of this post.

 

According to Hardy in this book, if you swing the club to the top on plane and make a one plane swing, and you start the downswing with a hip turn not slide, it is impossible to be too aggressive with your shoulder turn and come over the top. This has been my problem. I read and have been trying to implement Joe Dante's Four Magic Moves to Play Better Golf. His third move is a lateral hip slide to start the down swing. You must have passive shoulders also.

 

On the course, I get carried away and swing the shoulders too aggressively and pull hook the ball 40 yards. So I went to the course today armed with a new swing. I had been working on this for a while but needed this last piece of the puzzle.

 

Interestingly enough I did not see the immediate results I was hoping for. Most of it was the weather, but since the range was closed my first swing this way was the drive on number 1. It was not pretty. nor was the second shot, nor the third. I was hitting 4 and not on the green. I got up and down for bogey and went to the next hole. 2 great shots later I had a 6 foot birdie putt on the hardest hole on the course. My ball striking from that point was pretty solid but it was not until the 15th hole that I saw any distance improvement. And this was about when I started to feel comfortable with the new swing.

 

Now I have been striking the ball solidly for quite some time but with new swing I do believe that I can go after it harder and not fear the hook. Time will tell but so far I would say that Hardy was right. Oh, I also shot a 74 today which is pretty good considering that I was making a swing change in less than ideal conditions.


 

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Here is the best advice I have ever given and the best "aid" you can get. Go to the store and get you one of these to put in your bag (get the mini version 4.5 X 3.25").

Comp notebook.jpg

 

Write down any swing change that you are working on and take notes on feel, ball flight, and of course positive/negative results. I do this for any change, whether it be mental or physical. Once I get something that works repeatedly, I write it in my "playing pad" and look at it every time I go to the range or course. It really helps during tournament play, to go to it and remember what you need to do to play well. I also have these for tournament courses that I play, with notes about each hole on the course.

 

This is some REALLY GOOD ADVICE, thanks to JBones for including that.


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Srixon Z U45 19.0* @ 39.75" w/ KBS Tour-V X-Stiff (Soft Stepped 1x)

Cleveland 588 MB 3-P @ 38.75" - 35.25" (0.25" under), 60.5* - 64.0* (0.5* upright), 22* - 48* (1* weak) w/ KBS Tour-V X-Stiff (Soft Stepped 1x)

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Interesting that this topic came up now. I've had Hardy's The Plane Truth for several years without ever getting much benefit from it. But I have been struggling with a backswing that goes too much inside, and a swing that is too much in to out. Obvious problems with my swing plane that I just couldn't get worked out. Then I happened to see the Master Class version of the book in a used bookstore and picked it up. The Plane Truth Master Class really goes into details and drills on how to make the correct moves. There is one drill called "Close the A Drill" that solved all my problems. It was the key I needed to get the backswing moving correctly. Now I'm getting those nice shallow divots that point exactly where I'm aimed. I'm hitting the ball solid and straight and I don't have to worry about fighting a hook. I can even play a fade now which was impossible with my old move.

 

This is going to be my "go to" book for the swing from now on. I can't recommend it enough.

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Interesting that this topic came up now. I've had Hardy's The Plane Truth for several years without ever getting much benefit from it. But I have been struggling with a backswing that goes too much inside, and a swing that is too much in to out. Obvious problems with my swing plane that I just couldn't get worked out. Then I happened to see the Master Class version of the book in a used bookstore and picked it up. The Plane Truth Master Class really goes into details and drills on how to make the correct moves. There is one drill called "Close the A Drill" that solved all my problems. It was the key I needed to get the backswing moving correctly. Now I'm getting those nice shallow divots that point exactly where I'm aimed. I'm hitting the ball solid and straight and I don't have to worry about fighting a hook. I can even play a fade now which was impossible with my old move.

 

This is going to be my "go to" book for the swing from now on. I can't recommend it enough.

 

Well, I certainly swear by this book now. It solved my problems. I have only had it a few days but went out today and played 27 holes and was 2 over. I did not even do any drills. Just turn the shoulders all the way back and then all the way through. I am hitting the ball as far now as I did during the summer.


 

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HaHa Bro, I'd at least have the book 4-5 days and get oh, say 72-98 holes in before ya swear by it, lol :-)

 

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I did not even have to finish it. It could have one sentence in it and that is all i needed. That one sentence along with what I had been doing for the past couple of months put me on the right "plane" if you will. The ball flight on the 54 holes that I have played has been the best I have ever hit in my life. I hit a 2 iron today that went as far and as high as the guy I was playing with's 3 wood. Not to mention I played 27 holes of golf and can walk not limp around the house.


 

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Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

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HaHa Bro, I'd at least have the book 4-5 days and get oh, say 72-98 holes in before ya swear by it, lol :-)

 

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OK, I just watched Golf Channel Brandel Chamblee busting Tiger because he does not trust his golf swing. Well, for the past 15 months, I have not had a golf swing that I could trust. I played the best golf of my life during that time, but I never knew if the ball was going to go exactly where I wanted it or 40 yards left. I also, was never sure if when I finished my follow through and went to take a step out of that position my legs were going work. There was once when I started a round with 3 birdies and an eagle on the first 5 holes and I left after my tee shot on 6.

 

My compromise was to simplify my swing (change to a one plane swing but I did not know this). However, if I tried to hit more than a 3/4 shot, it was back to not trusting it. So I gave up the distance, and played 3/4 shots. I still scored ok. I never got into trouble.

 

This book says, that as long as you stay on plane and start the down swing by "Turning" the torso, hips and shoulders, you can go at it as hard as you want to with the shoulders. This hip movement is the real deal for me. I said earlier it could have been one sentence, but that is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

I have been hitting the ball fairly low and had a difficult time finding a shaft that would hit the ball high enough without too much spin. This was not an issue. With this swing change I was getting beautiful ball flight. I had some bad shots but they were not like before. I remember two in particular that I was surprised how well they turned out based on such poor contact.

 

I said I now had a swing I could trust. I sorta had that before, but now I have a power swing I can trust.


 

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No Dude, I know, that was directed at Dante. I love when a golf pro tries to sound like an engineer.

 

I've got Dante's book(I've had it for years, HaHa) but I gotta admit that I haven't read it yet. Is it worth reading?

 

Thanx much :-)

 

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No. In my opinion, the one plane swing debunks all of Dante's "Four Magic Moves."

 

The four Magic moves are:

  1. Early backwards wrist break.
  2. Spring tension in the torso at the top.
  3. Start the swing with an aggressive lateral hip thrust.
  4. Conservation of angular momentum and make no effort to move the arms.

The reverse wrist break is crap according to Hardy. This presets the wrist into a bowed position and it stays there until well into the follow through. While this fine for the pitching swing, it robs the full swing of power. This also is the opposite of the early release so I found it beneficial, because I had an early release. However, according to the swing speed meter, this is a good 5 mph slower than rolling the wrist. Not only that it is hard on the tendon in the left elbow. It has caused many golfers, myself included, tendonitis of the elbow.

 

Spring tension at the top is the same as Hardy teaches.

 

Starting the downswing with a lateral hip shift is a two plane swing. This is a much more difficult swing in my opinion and caused me back issues. Well, since that was not the cause of my back issues, it exacerbated my back issues.

 

 

The one plane swing. My theory of the one plane swing.

 

 

  1. Take your grip, neutral or strong.
  2. Stand up straight with the club chest high.
  3. Feet shoulder width apart.
  4. Turn your left foot 45* towards the target.
  5. Turn your back to the target as you rotate the club head behind you, point your thumbs at your right shoulder and parallel to the ground keeping your left arm straight. Your shoulders should be 90*s and your hips should be about 45*.
  6. Turn body and face the target and as you are turning roll your wrists to where your thumbs are pointing thumbs at your left shoulder. The turning of the body causes the club to follow.
  7. Now bend over at the waste and scoot until you are behind the ball.
  8. Keeping everything the same, do this turning again and hit the ball.
  9. Swing as hard as you can with your shoulders without losing your balance.

There ya go. You may want to read the book because this is a rather simplistic view of it.


 

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Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

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Are ya talkin bout readin Dante's book?

 

Nice summary on the one plane!

 

 

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No read Hardy's. Hardy does a much better job as far as instructions. Dante is good entertainment. As far as quality of golf instructin goes I like Hardy. But Dante may have been insane.


 

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Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

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The one plane swing. My theory of the one plane swing.

 

 

  1. Take your grip, neutral or strong.
  2. Stand up straight with the club chest high.
  3. Feet shoulder width apart.
  4. Turn your left foot 45* towards the target.
  5. Turn your back to the target as you rotate the club head behind you, point your thumbs at your right shoulder and parallel to the ground keeping your left arm straight. Your shoulders should be 90*s and your hips should be about 45*.
  6. Turn body and face the target and as you are turning roll your wrists to where your thumbs are pointing thumbs at your left shoulder. The turning of the body causes the club to follow.
  7. Now bend over at the waste and scoot until you are behind the ball.
  8. Keeping everything the same, do this turning again and hit the ball.
  9. Swing as hard as you can with your shoulders without losing your balance.

There ya go. You may want to read the book because this is a rather simplistic view of it.

 

That was a great description of one plane. Exactly what I have been trying to do. Its also exactly what hardy says in the book. actually the only thing I have been thinking about is to throw my hands behind me so my left arm is against my pecs (or man boobs as is more the case) in the backswing and then turn my chest as hard as I can. I'm hitting the ball really solid and with a very consitent flight (baby draw). I'm hitting the ball about the same distance but I am very consistent and that is what I've been missing.

 

How was the round at the tribute yesterday. Sounds like you hit it solid. Did you score well?


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Simplistic is excellent RoverRick :) Thanks for posting. Will get the book soon. Always interesting to take a look at new ideas.

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That was a great description of one plane. Exactly what I have been trying to do. Its also exactly what hardy says in the book. actually the only thing I have been thinking about is to throw my hands behind me so my left arm is against my pecs (or man boobs as is more the case) in the backswing and then turn my chest as hard as I can. I'm hitting the ball really solid and with a very consitent flight (baby draw). I'm hitting the ball about the same distance but I am very consistent and that is what I've been missing.

 

How was the round at the tribute yesterday. Sounds like you hit it solid. Did you score well?

 

Thanks, the Tribute yesterday was cancelled because HULK broke the plane and did not get her until yesterday afternoon. We played Waterchase today in Fort Worth. We both struck the ball great. However, the greens killed us.

 

OK, on to the arm lag. I am surprised that this swing has been as easy a change as it has been for me. Seriously, I changed from a two plane swing to a one plane three days ago. Today, I had like four times I reverted back and hit bad shot. I was hitting four bad shots around with the old swing anyway.

 

To get the arm lag, I think about turning my shoulders and letting my arms follow. My purpose is to make the swing as simple as possible. I start the swing with relaxed arms and as soon as I get to 90* with the shoulders, I start turning the hips back. So let's say the shoulders get to 90* and the hips are at 45*. By starting with the hips they already have a 45* head start. The arms are relaxed so the keep moving to the rear. The hips start back and already have a lead, and the shoulders start back and create a lead on the hands. So the relaxed arms end up naturally trailing the shoulders.

 

So try it with relaxed arms.


 

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I am also a fan or the Relaxed Power Tyk talks about. I just downloaded the Jim Hardy's book so I will give that a look see and get back to you. I think I will run to the course and wack a few balls before I read it.

 

Having had the pleasure of playing with you RR I'd say the Hardy book could be more damaging than helpful for you. His method would represent a huge change in direction.

 

Having written that I'm a one planner and Hardy's stuff is very helpful for me.

 

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To get the arm lag, I think about turning my shoulders and letting my arms follow. My purpose is to make the swing as simple as possible. I start the swing with relaxed arms and as soon as I get to 90* with the shoulders, I start turning the hips back. So let's say the shoulders get to 90* and the hips are at 45*. By starting with the hips they already have a 45* head start. The arms are relaxed so the keep moving to the rear. The hips start back and already have a lead, and the shoulders start back and create a lead on the hands. So the relaxed arms end up naturally trailing the shoulders.

 

So try it with relaxed arms.

 

This is exactly what is prescribed in the Tamayo book RP recommended. It's a little different than what Hardy says in that he wants the right arm to pull the left arm and chest back. Tamayo is almost more of a pamphlet in that I read it cover to cover in about 30-40 min. Might as well check it out since you are already on the same wavelength. If you have a kindle its $4.99.


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Dude. I can't call ya Crap or Craptastic on a regular basis(Hell, not even on an intermittent basis ;)), so I'm goin with CT!

 

Appreciate the consideration, but Crap is fine - I like it, kinda funny and definitely been called worse. CT is good too though.

 

 

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