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  1. Size of the room depends in part on what technology you are using to track the all flight.  FlightScope sits to the side, so you need less space.  A Mevo+ needs to  8-9 feet behind the ball and then 8 feet of flight between ball and screen/net - so 16 to 18 feet depth minimum.  Then think about ceiling height.... I have an older home w low ceilings so I’m out of luck.  But I’m planning a practice area in my backyard so have been doing much research. There are a couple really good threads in this forum, guys who have documented with pictures.  Can search there, but I’d recommend doing your first bit of research on the trackers, how they work as they are different, and what their requirements are.  They all have some diagrams. 
     

    Also stores like these guys https://topshelfgolf.com/collections/golf-simulators that sell competing brands have required foot print dimensions that will give you a quick idea. 

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  2. After complaining about repeatedly getting snake bitten at #15 I checked that box today. #10 and #18 to go...

    I was not playing my best, and it was cold (40s) and windy (20s); but I got my act together for those three holes. Ball dropped on a nine footer.  
     

    playing this game against yourself is a great motivator, ABD keeps you in it even when you don’t have your best. 

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  3. I finally found something I like about aerated greens... with the way the sand settles you sometimes see a bit of break that you might not otherwise see.  I had that today, #16, 14 feet away.  I've always known its a big right to left break - I mean a good 3 feet out.  But I've always missed it.  Well today I saw something and played just a touch farther out, and dropped it right in.  Check off another one. 

    10, 15 and 18 to go.  If a falling leaf stops the ball from going in, you'll hear the scream all the way from Iowa...

  4. Introduction

    I’m Christopher from Iowa – where my course has been covered in snow twice already.  20201111_163914.GIF.0611d757292233848349fca36e5c3af4.GIF
     

    I picked up the sticks late in life, when I was thirty, and I’m 53 now. I belong to Whispering Creek in Sioux City, and the Prairie Club out in the Nebraska sand hills.  GHIN says I’ve posted 87 rounds this year and have a 7.8 index – a personal best. 

    I’m a member of #PushCartMafia that really enjoys course architecture.  That appeals to the right side of my brain.  I was also an early adopter of the Arccos system and play one length irons – so the left side of my brain is engaged as well. 

     I’ve never been a long ball hitter. I have to chip and putt to score.  When I have time to practice it is spent working on my short game rather than full swing.  But honestly – not much time putting.  It is mostly 50 yards and in with pitches and chips. I don’t often go to the practice green to putt for thirty minutes.  When I do, I play “Two Putts around the World” where I try to two putt my way around the five holes on our practice green.

    That changes NOW.

     #ArccosKnows (sorry…) that in the previous 50 rounds before the BirdieBall PuttUp arrived I averaged:

    • One Putt 22% of the time
    • Two Putt 65%
    • Three Putt 13%
    • 34.2 Putts Per Round
    • 1.9 Putts per hole
    • 2.11 Putts per GIR. 

     Clearly waaaaay too many GIR putts.  A personal observation – I leave it short.  A lot.  That is why the PuttUp is so interesting to me.  If I’m short too often – will this help me get the ball to the hole?   With limited space, I can practice an 18 footer. 

    IMG_6495.JPG.4ed59ace633b8f23bf6cc8eee568e93c.JPGIMG_6494.JPG.2908d33e506a18a8eab9fccdfe38b567.JPG I currently switch back and forth between a Scotty Futura X with extra weight as my spring/fall putter, and an Evenroll 7 for peak season when the greens are rolling. 

     I use a claw/pencil grip working on a pendulum straight back, straight through motion. 

     Lastly, a big thank you to MGS for affording me this opportunity, and BirdieBall for providing the mat.

     First impressions – Big.JPG.f18b02e641ef5250c830b5dd3c6eacb7.JPG

    It is BIG!  I mean it is “you can’t keep that in the living room” says She Who Must Be Obeyed size big.  I have been using a Putt Out mat, seen here for comparison.   I knew 4x10 was big – but knowing it and seeing it are two different things.  I retreated to the spare bedroom in the basement where I laid it out on three sheets of quarter inch plywood for a firm base.

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    It is FAST! Double cut and rolled for the club tournament fast.  I tried to get a stimp reading – its rolling up to 16…  I reached out to BirdieBall via email and the CEO/Founder called me that afternoon (impressive customer service).  Yes its fast – they want missed putts to roll back to you.  They believe that’s what the marketplace wants – and when you look at their competitors that’s probably true.  Personally, I’d prefer something like a 12.  More on that in a minute. 

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    It feels like a real green – the sponginess of the turf, the little nubs or tentrils really mimics real grass on a real green.  The roll is true.  No bumps or bobbles.  Unlike another mat I have, it won’t develop any sort of groove or wear line.

     

     

    Quality of components (10 out of 10 points) 

    Short answer – they thought of everything.

    You can see in another of my posts, I am taking this mat back and forth from my home to a Staybridge Suites where I travel for work.  I kept the original box for storage and transportation.  The green flattens outs nicely. All the components come apart and fit back together without any wear or tear showing.    Someone had asked a question in the thread earlier about how well the holes held up – and so far no sign of damage.  

     

    Everything in the box has a purpose. The bumpers help hold it flat and ensure a good transition up the ramp.  The “fifth hole” that you see cut in the center uses an upside down cup to hold the mat in place against the ramp.  It also serves as a challenge hole – more on that below.  While I personally don’t like the looks of the cup sleeves indicating the extra distance, their purpose is holding everything in position – keeping the holes lined up.  In turn, by holding everything in place the mat essentially must lay flat – the holes won’t line up if the mat curves.  So using the ramp, bumpers and hole sleeves – the mat flattens out pretty quick.  


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    flags.jpg.a223b2d661ebb72e318178e71a82029f.jpgAt first I was not a fan of the little flag stands – I thought they were cheesy.  But after dropping two dozen balls into the cups – yeah, I don’t need to bend over any more than I already am.  Good idea.

     

    It is a well made and engineered product.  I’m trusting the engineers know their physics…

    IMG_6491.jpg.bb7504c5cabf1f2fe571e229c5c56dfa.jpgWhile the green is 10’ long – you are not putting edge to edge.  For example – my routine is to putt off my Pelz Tutor to the +4 hole.  I place the ball 8” from the back edge of the mat – just enough to give me a stance.  It is then 7’ 11” to the +4 cup.  In my mind at the +4 cup I’m putting to something 11 feet, 11 inches away 7’11” +4 = 11’11”.  BirdieBall says that cup is designed to simulate a 14’ putt – so there is some physics and math in determining how the rate of the slope equals 14’. 

     

    I wanted to do a test with the stimp meter, but as I reported before, its too fast for me to really know.  Everything rolls all the way to the end.

     

     

    Ease of use (10 out of 10 points) 

    The best thing about this mat is its versatility.  You can practice short putts without the ramp, or medium putts or long putts with it.  With the width you get to stand on the green and can putt to multiple targets. I slide a magazine under it to create some break.

     

    There is virtually zero maintenance.  Its not like it needs to be mown…

    Basic Characteristics (17 out of 20 points)

    My goal was ten minutes a day.  Well, I find myself doing more than that.  Sometimes I wander in just to roll a few for five minutes.  Sometimes I come out much later.  

    I started this endeavor with a particular problem.  Under pressure I pull the ball.  This is why I went to the claw, and it’s helped, but I have a consistent miss.

    IMG_6489.JPG.0b21b02183cd6f5e543c42344000556e.JPGMy go to aid is the Pelz Putting Tutor, so I’m using it here as well.  I’m proficient at starting the ball on line when I’m trying to sink a 3 footer – but the farther away from the hole I am, the more force needed to get the ball to the hole – the more likely I am to pull the ball.  Ie., the longer the putt, the more likely I send that marble rolling across the mat.   Something I also really like about the Pelz Tutor, helps ensure your eyes are directly over the ball.  I also tend to let the ball slide too far forward in my stance, so working on that as well. IMG_6346.JPG.74e783bcc11f22c1f6b5e46c5cc09f49.JPG.32f267b4b1c4064a76a460de74af034b.JPG

    You can’t use the Pelz Tutor for an extended time on your course’s practice green – unless you want to stand on a towel to protect the turf from heatstroke.  But with the BirdieBall – it has been in the same place for days.  No need to move or re-aim.  

    This has been a great way to practice.  The green is sufficiently wide enough, and presents enough targets that I can grind on the Tutor until I’ve filled the +4 cup, then I can drop another two dozen balls into the other cups from various distances and directions (straight or breaking) before I ever have to collect and reset.  Very efficient. 

    IMG_6380.thumb.JPG.c4996fde4500a9e357850d1390672ce9.JPG.8d876d2307d5d63e514cca9568e9dfbb.JPGI’ll remove the ramp and hole sleeves and practice some subtle (or not so subtle) breakers by sliding a magazine/s under the mat.  I’ll admit – I’m not the best green reader, and unfortunately this won’t help.  But it does get you trying to match speed with the known break. 

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    The “fifth” hole is a competitor to the PuttOut Pressure Trainer.  The idea is to get the ball to stick in those little holes – and it takes perfect speed.  The real goal is to get FOUR balls to stick in those little holes.  Good luck with that.  I’ve gotten three but only at short distance.  

    In short, lots of ways to use the practice mat. 

    Two gripes – one small, one large.  

    Small one first – if I were king of BirdieBall for a day I’d have fewer holes.  That would allow me to play more break and starting from farther to side. Sometimes those front two holes get in the way if you are playing maximum break from short distance.  I turn the sleeves around backwards to keep them from catching errant putts.    Its possible BirdieBall thought of that and still favored all four holes to give different options.  This isn’t a knock on the product – just a way I’d make it better.  

     

    Big one last – its too fast.  That’s why I deducted three points.  I get what BirdieBall is competing against. I still think its too fast.  I don’t care about the ball return (I may be too lazy to bend over and pick it out of the cup, but I can rake it back from halfway down the mat without a thought). My concern is that I too often leave the ball short, and I worry putting on something too fast will engrain that habit.  I’ve only played a hand full of times since I got the mat, and I’ve paced out 18 feet at my club’s practice green to gauge myself against.  I am leaving the ball short.  Granted – it is November in Iowa – we have slowed down to a stop for the year.  I really think BirdieBall and their customers would be better served by something running 10-12.  12 is plenty quick, especially for a practice product.

    On the plus side - I am starting it on line..

    On-Course Performance (Currently 20 out of 30 points)

    As I said, its fall in Iowa… IMG_6507.JPG.4fb483e042e2c8dbb0c1af47d23033b6.JPG It has snowed twice and I’ve only been able to play 5 rounds since the PuttUp arrived.  I averaged:

    • One Putt 19% of the time
    • Two Putt 65%
    • Three Putt 15%
    • 35.4 putts per round
    • 1.96 putts per hole
    • 2.14 putts GIR.  

    So… not much change on course – yet. Hence, I scored this 20 out of 30 as of today. 

    To be fair to BirdieBall – my ball striking and short game were not their best during those 5 rounds.  I had some major breaks in play, and #Arcossknows all my Shots Gained numbers were headed south compared to September. 

    ShotsGained.png.5f258606fd901b8ddb06ba03580036bd.pngBut, but, but…  despite those five round averages, Arcoss says I had my best Shots Gained putting round of the season.  As a 7.8 index I use Arcoss SG to compare myself to a 6 handicap.  I shot a 78 and gained +1.6 shots putting, with 1.7 putts per hole, and 1.9 GIR.  During those five rounds I also had a +0.7SGP.  Something positive must be happening. 

    On the plus side: I feel I have improved my stroke.  I’m getting it started on line more often, I have a more consistent stance, with a more confident stroke.  

    The minus side: I have not improved in green reading – so I am starting it perfectly on the wrong $%^& line…  And, unfortunately, I am leaving it short.  Not on the five or ten footers, but on something eighteen or twenty feet away.

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    When undertaking this project I thought I’d have all winter to hone my stroke, come out firing in the spring and report sometime around the Masters.  The 2021 Masters …

    This is very much a “to be continued” review.  I’ll continue posting this winter as I try different things, and will absolutely share spring results.  Stay tuned to see if that score changes.

    Miscellaneous (10 out of 10 points)

    I see on Instagram that BirdieBall is now offering a “retrofit” kit where you can just get the ramp, hole sleeves, etc..  I think that’s a pretty cool thing to do for their existing customers.  I would absolutely get one if I already had their mat.  A no-brainer.   

    That’s not exactly surprising to me.  When the CEO called me back I knew they really thought about their customers.  I know what you’re thinking – I’m a tester, of course they were going to call me back.  But give me his number?  And talk again the next day?  Nah.  Most companies would have had someone in customer service call. 

    Keep it or Trade it? (20 out of 20 points)

    I’m absolutely keeping it.  If anyone is looking for a used PuttOut Mat (I have two) let me know. I know $350 is not cheap.  This summer I purchased my second PuttOut to keep at my hotel, and I’d looked at the Perfect Practice and the WellPutt mats as well.  Knowing what I know now, I’d go with the BirdieBall.  It costs more, but is so much more versatile.  The extra width helps a great deal, but the ramp and the ability to hit a longer putt on a shorter mat cannot be beat.  

    So for all the things you can do with the mat, I think it’s fair price.  If your putting is holding back your score, this is a great way to practice, without being repetitive (unless that’s what you want). 

    Conclusion

    Well constructed and durable.  Very versatile enabling multiple methods of practice. I will be retiring other mats I have and keep using the BirdieBall. 

    Had my best Shots Gained Putting round of the year.

    87 out of 100 pts – scored down because I haven’t seen consistent on course improvement yet due to snow on the course.  It’s a solid purchase and will be used over the winter and spring for practice.  Check back when the snow melts for shots gained information. 

     

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  5. 2 hours ago, daviddvm said:

    Congratulations y'all...I know you're like...

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    I'll be following along!

    That’s exactly how I feel.  Just glad we won’t be required to do hourly trash talking like you guys did w the cobra challenge.  Just waiting for the required one handed, eyes closed, behind the back putting contests...

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  6. I'm no expert - but I think hybrids and fairway woods are two different animals...  Hitting down on hybrids, and sweeping the fairway wood...  Dog and cats. Apples and oranges.

    That said... I have a Titleist TS2 15* I really like...  Looks like you've got a bag full of Titleist, so what do you have to lose?  

    The key question may be why are you swapping out the current fairway wood?  Looking for more distance, more accuracy - or just need a change?  Can you get the shaft you want, or think you want?

  7. Don't give up!!!  I was feeling the same way myself, but I checked another off my list today with a birdie on #8 at Whispering Creek.  That leaves #10, 15, 16, & 18 for me.  #10 is hard.  I've had legit shots at #16 and 18 but for some reason I always get snake bit at #15.  Even today, I shot my career low round of 74 (humble brag...) but had a bogey on #15.  Don't know what it is with that hole...   

    The leaves may be falling, but the snow isn't flying yet.  Still time.  Never know when you might collect  a couple during the same round. 

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  8. On 7/21/2020 at 3:16 PM, The 19th Hole said:

    Newest Update on my Mevo usage. 

     

    Can I ask what you are seeing on side spin and shot shape?  Does the Mevo+ reflect what you are seeing on the range or when you take it to the course?  Draws/cuts; hooks/slices; starting direction?  Does it accurately catch that and tell you?  That’s what I’m worried about with hitting into a net all winter and not being able to see the shot shape - am I grooving a horrible shape, or hitting it straight....  Thanks for sharing. Too me that is worth the extra cost. 

  9. Mevo+ is suppressed to have horizontal launch angle, spin axis and shot shape - so while it may not have face to path you ought to be able to figure out if you are curving it, starting it on line, etc....  that is my biggest fear of hitting into a net all winter without some device to tell me if I’m grooving a bad habit or a good swing.  Not being able to see the ball flight I’d want something with those parameters. And yeah, it’s going to be two grand...

  10. 21 hours ago, Kenny B said:

    I have the CC Elite Real Feel mat, and I have no complaints.  Fat shots are not rewarded.  I do believe it's helped me improve ball striking.  

    Can I ask some more about the CCE?  Does it really hold a tee?  Any idea how tall the fibers are?  Do you think you really hit down and thru the pile?

    can I ask what you have it laying on for a base?  The fiberbuilt and true strike both have composite bases. I think it’d need to build something (no biggie) underneath this. 
     

    can I ask what size you have?

     

    sorry for all the questions. And thank you in advance. 

  11. So MGS members, who among you has tried all three?  Thoughts, experiences and recommendations would be appreciated.

    I can’t believe there isn’t an official MGS review out there, and if I’ve missed it please point me in the right direction. 

    Been on a hunt for the best mat. Want to avoid the bouncing fat shot that comes off fine... Also want to protect the old wrists and elbows.  Want to hit irons and also use my own tee (or a real tee like solution) for my driver.  These three seem like the top of the line. Different solutions to hit down on the ball and avoid bouncing into it. But of course there isn’t a golf mat showroom out there so I can’t do a comparison. Before dropping what is likely to be close to $1,000 or more I thought I’d see if any of you have been able to do any side by side comparisons. 

  12. While my lowest round is a 76, and I had a 78 this summer to go with a handful of 79s, this last week I shot an 80 and it felt like my best round ever.  Mammoth Dunes in Wisconsin.  A fantastic David Mclay Kidd track.  It was my first time there and I had a Vulcan mind meld with my caddie. Dropped in three birdies among five one putts.  Tells you there were a couple big numbers too. But walking up the 18th I finally added up my score ( actually going 17 holes without focusing on my score may actually be my biggest accomplishment...) and thought I needed a par ro shoot 79. Well, I got my par, but it wasn’t until the first bumps and congratulations were over that I realized it was a par 73, not a 72. I’d shot 7 over to shoot 80.  First 80 I’m not disappointed by.  I’ll be reveling in this one for a while. 

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  13. Ditto

     

    Won the lottery ten years ago but nothing since. Hasn’t stopped me from going though. Found a good ticket broker I’ve used repeatedly. But it’d be nice to win again and save that dough for, oh I don’t know... a new set of clubs, annual dues for my golf club...

    Until this year of course.  On tv there seem to be a few contingents of fans peering over the bushes and fence line. Can’t see that happening in August

  14. 1) Christopher, Sioux City IA

    2) I use a grey PuttOut matt with a Pelz Putting tutor (two marbles as a gate), and the Putt Out trainer and gate (I like the Pelz tutor better than the PuttOut mirror to get the ball started as I think the notch to start the ball is cheating a bit - always starts on line rather than the Tutor with the marbles).  I have a set that I roll out on my hardwood floor in my living room; AND I have a set that resides in my car trunk and gets rolled out on the carpet in my hotel room (111 nights in a Staybridge hotel this year so far). 

    3) As mentioned, I use a Putt Out matt - A couple observations: First, I have literally worn a groove in the mat...  (while that shows work ethic, that can't be good, right?) I think it is prone to bobbling at the the end if you are trying to roll it over the hole mark when not using the pressure trainer.

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    Second, I also think it tends to be on the slow side generally. They say its a 10 on the stimp but I'm not so sure.  

    Third, while I appreciate the markings for distance , and though it is  8 feet long it is really only 6 feet of usable distance.  Thats the biggest reason I'm interested in the birdie ball.  I need to work on longer distances.  I tend to be in real jeopardy of three putting when I have a long distance putt. Arccos shots gained has "putting by length" as "what to work on"

    None of these are complaints really - I did buy a second one... but things I think can be improved.

    4) I'd prefer the fast speed.  I checked with my sup, to compare to what he typically has them rolling in the summer and he said I'd want the faster one - 11 to 13 on the stimp. 

    Would appreciate the opportunity - and a big thanks to Birdie Ball for making these available. 

    I'm super curious about how well a person can adapt to hitting an 18 foot putt when your eyes see only  ten feet of distance on the mat - and how they adapt to then going out to a real green and hitting an 18 footer or a ten footer.  Do your eyes/brain say "I have to hit this harder" based on what it sees?  Are you training yourself to hit 10 footers too hard?  I don't know.  But I'm curious.  I hope whoever is chosen does a comparison between what they do on the mat, and how they take that to the course - or at least someplace where they have a real 18 footer...

  15. The one hole I thought might go un-circled is (was) #13. A Par Three volcano hole. Straight up hill. An 7 iron distance, that needs a PW trajectory, so you’re trying to loft a 5 iron up there and hold it... Severely sloped back to front with a giant mound in the middle dividing the green. Tough green to hit. Tough to putt unless you are right under the hole.

    Crazy game...

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