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The best indicator of success for a new golf club in the bag is the frequency of use.
If you reach for the club often it can only mean that the performance is good enough and consistent enough to inspire confidence. The more confidence you have in a club the more you use it.
Glad to hear that your new Tour Edge EXS 7 wood is giving you that sense of confidence.
Once you find a golf club that inspires confidence, and through many experiences with it, the club proves that it does what you need it to while inspiring trust that it will deliver consistently, then it tends to stay in the bag a long time.
Look into most players bags and the clubs that tend to be the oldest are the tweener clubs (fairway woods, hybrids, long irons) and putters. It is hard to find one that works and once you find a good one that works for you it is very hard to let it go.
More clubs get exchanged from lack of use than from overuse. With limited spots in the lineup, once you lose confidence in a club and stop using it, won’t be long before a change is made.
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Was lucky enough to win on EBay with a very low bid a set of 4-PW Corey Paul Cavity back irons that were made into clubs with KBS C-taper S+ Shafts. Only the 6 iron had been hit before I got them. Have played with them twice and they are nice. Bought a Stitch carry bag for them as they are some keepers for sure. Paired them up with a set of Corey Paul wedges in 51,55 & 59. Now what to put in the bag on the top end? Gotta go through some old sets and pull out a few old favorites. Maybe a hybrid, a 5 wood, driver and putter.
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Got mine in the mail this week. Was waiting for me when I got home from a little golf trip to Santee, SC. Looking forward to trying it out.
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I’ve been fighting similar problems for years. Finally found the solution for me this year.
My solution: Tour Edge XCG7 21 degree 7 wood for off the fairway and a shaft change in my Tour Edge EX10 16.5 degree 4 wood to match the 7 wood has made all the difference. The shaft is the Fujikura Fuel 60 Stiff. The 4 wood is great off the tee, still low from the fairway. Also changed my Titleist 818 H1 21 degree hybrid with the Mitsubishi Tensei Blue to the Titleist 818H1 25 degree with Tensei Red stiff shaft.
These changes have given me higher launch, more carry and equal or greater distance. I’m not afraid to try a long shot with a carry over a hazard anymore where before I always would lay up.
Bought all of the clubs as new old stock and cost less than $150 with shipping, tax and new head covers.
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The CBX 119 was the better player line of clubs from Tour Edge before the EXS Pro line took over that role. The CBX line is a compact clean looking design that featured a hot titanium face to deliver low spin and a penetrating ball flight for more distance. Despite being a better players hybrid it has a good amount of forgiveness. With very little offset it is more of an anti hook hybrid.
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Industry estimates are that only 10-15% of all golfers even carry a handicap. The average golfer is generally happy if they break 100.
Roughly 2% of all golfers break 80.
The handicap statistics are thus heavily skewed to people that are very committed to the game, play frequently and perhaps competitively and would be more likely composed of better than average players.
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The Tour Edge CBX 119 forged and the CBX blade irons are both Japanese S25 steel forgings that are CNC milled in the USA. The 119 is a cavity back and the blade is just that. The CBX line is being retired and the EXS Pro line is taking their place. The EXS Pro Blade is very similar to the CBX blade just with different graphics. The new EXS Pro Cavity looks more like the EXS Blade then the CBX 119.
I expect fairly soon you will be able to buy new old stock CBX 119 forged irons at a significant discount. They would be a good choice and a good value for better players looking for a bit more forgiveness than a true blade.
It is highly unlikely that Phil Mickelson will be leaving Callaway anytime soon to represent Tour Edge.
I’ve got two Tour Edge fairway woods in the bag and they are generally known for their fairway woods performance. Lately they’ve been getting some good press for their Drivers. Their irons have always been strong lofted distance machines. But, it looks like with their growing presence on the Champions Tour they are pursuing better players irons again.
Their Hot Launch and Bazooka lines have been staples for independent golf shops’ ability to offer good performance at value prices to a broad range of amateur golfers.
In general their clubs have been under rated as they don’t have the marketing or manufacturing might that the bigger companies possess. They have however been very innovative on the materials side of golf club technology and pretty nimble as a smaller company.
Their putters have always been good performers too. Offering decent performance at bargain prices. The fit and finish of their putters hasn’t always been the best but it has been improving. Their new Wingman putter is getting some attention lately.
It is good to see Tour Edge clubs getting some well deserved attention. Their Exotics line used to be a super premium and expensive product line. They’ve adjusted their pricing and their philosophy of providing performance at a value price as the rest of the industry has raised their prices. It is serving them well at the moment.
Don’t be afraid to try their products, you might be pleasantly surprised at how good they are.
- fixyurdivot and Rugsmather
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Are you just talking about better Player’s and Player’s distance irons? Those segments while growing are probably the smaller segments of the iron market.
Doesn’t Taylormade also have the SIM Iron line besides the P Series?
Titleist has expanded their line some with the T series compared to the AP line: T100, T100S, T200, T300 & T400 & the CB & MB. Dropping the TMB but still offering their CNCPT line.
Mizuno has now overhauled all of their MP & JPX lines.
What about Callaway with it’s three distinct lines: Apex, Maverick and Big Bertha irons?
Lots going on in the iron market this year.
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Played with an older friend today and since we were playing as a twosome, I decided to play the senior tees with him as we were sharing a cart. Instead of hitting driver, I hit my 7 wood all day so that I would be roughly in the same spot as I would be if I had hit driver from the Men’s tees. The difference was that I was in the fairway 10/14 times which led to me being on the green in regulation 69% of the time today. Shot about the same score as usual despite not putting very well and missing three short birdie chances.
The 7 wood is such a good club for amateurs. Glad to see it getting some attention lately in a few blog and magazine articles.
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Well, it doesn’t look like there is a whole lot of interest. Those of you that would like to play, my offer stands. I will accommodate you individually or as a small group, because it doesn’t look like there is enough participation to get a large group event going.
As far as dates go, it is completely flexible. You tell me what works best for you or when you will be in the neighborhood and we’ll make it work.
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Guess I need to sweeten the pot and make it super clear.
If you want to play golf for FREE at a course rated one of the top 25 in the country both for Pace of Play & Friendliest Staff by Golf Advisor let me know.
- ole gray, aerospace_ray, fozcycle and 2 others
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It has been several months since I started this thread and what a difference a few months make.
I’ve made a number of changes to my bag since the end of April. Some of these changes I posted about earlier, but there have been more changes since then.
First I put in a Tour Edge XCG7 seven wood. Next I added a Titleist 818 H1 25 degree hybrid with the Tensei Red shaft. Changed the shaft in my Tour Edge EX 10 4 wood & Ping G410 LST 9.5 driver to the same shaft in the 7 wood, the Fujikura Fuel 60 gram stiff flex. Took out of the bag my Titleist TMB 4 iron and the 818 H1 21 degree hybrid. More recently I have replaced my Titleist Vokey SM7 56 & 60 10S wedges because they were well worn with Corey Paul 52, 56 & 60 wedge heads that I built into clubs with KBS Tour V wedge shafts, the same shafts as in my Titleist AP3 irons. Took out my TItleist AP3 5 iron.
Also changed the shaft of my Odyssey O-works #7 putter to a Stability Tour shaft.
These changes have been enormously helpful to my game. My distance gapping from Driver all the way down has improved. Gained the height and carry I was looking to improve in the 200 yard segment of my bag. According to my Arccos the 4 wood smart distance is 223 yards, the 7 wood is 209 yards, the 25 degree hybrid is 191 yards.
My Arccos driving, approach, chipping and putting handicaps have all improved. Best of all my GHIN index went from an 8.5 to a 4.9, my lowest ever and allowed me to reach my goal for the year of getting it down to a five. I’ve had my lowest round ever, 71, three times this year too.
I now have 14 clubs in my bag that I have confidence in for the first time ever and they all serve a defined purpose.
There is still some overlap with my 6, 7 & 8 irons where the gaps kind of run together more so than with the other clubs, so I’m considering strengthening the 6 & 7 lofts a bit, perhaps one degree, and maybe weaken the 8 by a degree.
Thank you to all of you that have offered me advice based on your own experience, encouragement and support through this process.
Before this I had never really tinkered with my clubs, relying exclusively on fitters to advise me in the past. Without a doubt, getting fit definitely helped me. It was time though for me to take responsibility and get more involved with my bag makeup and experiment to fine tune things to improve the fit even more.
The support of the forum and what I learned from it’s members gave me the confidence to try different clubs, buy clubs on line, buy second hand clubs, change shafts, and build a set of wedges. None of which I had done before.
Just received my Blast Golf Swing & Stroke club sensor yesterday. Hopefully that & the accompanying app will help me as I take the next steps along my golfing journey.
Thank you again and best wishes for success to all of you on your own golfing journey.
- fozcycle, Rickp, HardcoreLooper and 1 other
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Well, I bit the bullet and dropped the 5 iron out of the bag for now and replaced the 54 & 60 Vokey SM7 wedges with a set of Corey Paul 52, 56, & 60 wedge heads that I built with KBS Tour V wedge shafts and SuperStroke Traxion tour grips. Put Prosoft inserts in the shafts too and BB&F ferrules.
Extremely happy with the changes! My gapping issue on the low end of the bag has been eliminated. The touch around the greens is awesome. Still figuring out all of my full swing distances & partial swing distances, but so far they have really worked well.
Yesterday for example, playing with the Men’s Group, I tied my low round. Hit 11 of 18 GIR and got up and down 5 of 7 on the ones I missed.
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Well, I guess my club building skills need some work. The 56 head came loose while playing a couple of days ago. Easy fix though, removed the epoxy, sanded everything again, cleaned everything up real well and then epoxied the head back on. Played Sunday and today and no worries. I think I must not have mixed the first batch of epoxy well enough, because it was kind of rubbery. This time it is very hard.
These wedges have just been dynamite around the greens. Still figuring out the full swing yardages. I’ve had at least one chip-in per round so far and several close calls besides. Loving the performance and the looks.
Will be bidding on some more to build for friends.
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As one of the principal owners of the Sapelo Hammock Golf Club In Shellman Bluff, GA I am interested in hosting a group of Spies to play at the course.
Depending on how many are interested will determine the type of event, dates, cost, format, etc.
if you are interested please reply.
Let me know how many will be joining you, whether you prefer a weekday or weekend to play and what format you would prefer.
Once I get some responses I will propose a date with details of the event based on the wishes of the group.
For example, if it is just a few guys then you can play with me as my guests. But, if the group is very large I’ll close down the course for the group and we’ll have some kind of tournament & a meal.
Looking forward to meeting you guys and getting to know some of you better.
- tommc23, fixyurdivot, JohnSmalls and 2 others
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Put them in play yesterday. Stuck a sixty in tight and made birdie. The next hole with the same club chipped in for another birdie. 39 front, 38 back. No doubles, no three putts. Used the wedges a bunch yesterday since I missed a a lot of greens.
Really like them, they will be staying in the bag.
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Forgot to mention that I put Prosoft vibration dampening shaft inserts in them too.
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Recently I was able to purchase a set of Corey Paul Functional Art wedge heads on EBay. The wedge heads are forged of 1025 steel in a raw brushed black finish with some minimal stamping and understated paint fill. They are 52, 56 and 60 degree heads.
This is my first time building clubs by myself. Decided to pair the wedge heads with some BB&F ferrules, KBS Tour V wedge shafts and SuperStroke Traxion tour grips. Kept the color scheme of black, red, white and silver throughout.
Very happy with the way they turned out and I’m excited to take them to the course tomorrow to try them out.
- Hobert, cnosil and aerospace_ray
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The course where we play has firm tee boxes when it is dry resulting in breaking your tees on almost every drive. A couple of years ago one of my regular foursome started playing with the Martini tees and we all teased him about it. Fast forward now and we are all playing them. They are very hard to break. The shorter ones tend to fly out of the ground and are much easier to lose. The longer ones are also easier to get a hold of for some of the older guys. The stepped ones break more easily then the non stepped, but provide for more consistent tee height. When it is really firm ground, they can be tough to insert because they are thicker and a bit flexible.
Generally the way we use them is to insert the tee and then angle it slightly rearward. The large cup supports the ball and the tea shaft is out of the way of the driver face.
You never have seen a group of guys look for a tee after hitting their drive like us though!
You don’t have to carry many tees once you start using them. They last a long time and don’t take up much space in the golf bag or pant’s pocket.
I’ve been giving some out to members of our Men’s group to try and now lots of guys have switched over.
A couple of their competitors have introduced their own version recently, haven’t tried any of the copies yet.
- xOldBenKenobiX and Rchang
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Black Lab Golf in Savannah, GA is making some very nice CNC milled custom putters.
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According to my Arccos caddie dashboard, my putting handicap is a +3.6 now and my chipping handicap is a 2.7.
Improving my putting in the last few months was by far the quickest way to gain one stroke per round. Chipping it closer has probably gained me another one stroke per round.
At the moment my worst handicap is my driving followed by my approach shots. That is why I’m making some changes to my bag makeup and tweaking my driver. Having one bad drive that results in a lost ball or an unplayable lie is becoming unacceptable. It is too costly.
Dave Pelz says if you can drive, chip and putt you can score.
When I retired 7 years ago my handicap was 28. I was lucky to play 20 rounds a year when I was working, now I’m playing three or more times a week. Immediately after retiring the thing that helped me the most was just playing more. I was able to drop my handicap from a 28 to a 14 in the first two years. My distance has increased and my awareness of where the bottom of my swing is has improved greatly.
Playing more, taking a few lessons and getting fitted for new clubs helped me to get from a 14 to an 8.
Going from an 8 to a 5 is harder because there is less room for error. You can’t make as many mistakes. Fine tuning your clubs and your bag make up, practicing with a purpose on those areas that are weaker and leveraging the strengths in your game become more important.
Finally, the other thing that has helped me a bunch is playing with better players.
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At the end of last year I set as a goal to improve my golf game and lower my handicap from an 8 to a 5.
Even though I was a good putter I started there because it represents about 40% or more of my strokes per round.
I got a copy of Dave Pelz’s Putting Bible, I set up an indoor practice area complete with putting mat, putting mirror and gates, Putt Out trainer and started going through the drills in the book. It has made a difference.
I got my GHIN briefly to 5.5. Now at 6.6
I’ve also started on Dave Pelz’s Short Game Bible. Making changes to my bag set up, dropping some clubs, adding a wedge. Will focus on the under 100 yard shots for the next few months.
Also tweaking my driver with a heavier, shorter and slightly stiffer shaft to gain some accuracy and better center contact.
These three areas comprise the bulk of my shots on the course and that is why I’m focusing on them for the quickest gains.
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I bought two of them. Installed one on an Odyssey Metal X milled #7. I too use a left hand low grip. It is better than the pistol grip that was on the putter when I got it.
The grip is nice, but I think it works better for a traditional grip. That is why I have not installed the second grip yet.
Titleist CNCPT
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Last year when getting fitted for my driver, I had a chance to hit both of the CNCPT irons that were available at that time.
They looked good, felt really good, went a long way and were very consistent with dispersion.
The new CNCPT 2 irons are a very tempting successor to my current AP3s.