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So I have been using Game Golf for about 3 years and I love it. I really enjoy the metrics of it, but I was thinking about something the other day after a round and haven't been able to find anything on it. So Game Golf gives you your average for each club but that doesn't account for chips, pitches, punch shots, or the lovely duff. Do any of the other tracking systems account for this metric? 

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On 10/20/2020 at 8:39 AM, jb0330 said:

So I have been using Game Golf for about 3 years and I love it. I really enjoy the metrics of it, but I was thinking about something the other day after a round and haven't been able to find anything on it. So Game Golf gives you your average for each club but that doesn't account for chips, pitches, punch shots, or the lovely duff. Do any of the other tracking systems account for this metric? 

What Matrix are you looking for?  The data collected is not completely accurate and requires editing at the end of a round.  I would estimate that it captures about 75% of the data correctly.

Shot Scope for club distance will give you an average distance taking into account all shots.  It also gives you a "P-AVG" that gives you a "true distance" on well struck golf shots.  It does this by using an algorithm that removes all outlier shot distances (both long and short).  You can also see the longest shot with each club

For Analytics:  It breaks it down into 4 categories - Tee Shots, Approaches, Short Game and Putting.  Each category will then give you overall data for each category as well as specific club data

Tee Shots - Fairway Success %, Left Miss %, Right Miss % - Yards: AVG, P-AVG, LONGEST

Approaches - Total Green Success %, Rough %, Fairway %, Bunker % - Shots to Finish from those three locations and Avg Proximity to hole from those three locations. 

Short Game - Avg Proximity to Hole - Inside 6ft %, Up & Down %, Inside 20ft 

Putting - Number of Putts Per Green % - Make % for Short, Medium, long - Shots to Finish for Short, Medium, Long

 

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So Game Golf does all the extra stuff to with Fairways, 100-150 yards to green, etc. I don't think for average yards it takes out really long and really short shots, I wish it did. I will have to look into Shot Scope and Arccos a little more. I have been wanting to switch to Arccos for over a year but haven't pulled the trigger. 

To answer your question though. I want to know my shots are going on average with a full swing, not the chips, or pitches, or duffs, or hard pans, or flyers, lol etc. Now that i am writing it sounds silly to ask something i tag to know it was a bad shot.

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Driver:     - Anser - 8.5* - Fujikara Red Blur 005 XStiff - Standard L/L

3W:     - SQ Sumo - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Stiff - Standard L/L

Hybrid 3:     - Machspeed - UST Mamiya AXIVCore XStiff -Standard L/L

Irons:      - Idea Black CB3  4-GW - KBS Tour Stiff+ - Standard L/L

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2 hours ago, jb0330 said:

So Game Golf does all the extra stuff to with Fairways, 100-150 yards to green, etc. I don't think for average yards it takes out really long and really short shots, I wish it did. I will have to look into Shot Scope and Arccos a little more. I have been wanting to switch to Arccos for over a year but haven't pulled the trigger. 

To answer your question though. I want to know my shots are going on average with a full swing, not the chips, or pitches, or duffs, or hard pans, or flyers, lol etc. Now that i am writing it sounds silly to ask something i tag to know it was a bad shot.

The "Caddie" feature of Arccos is something i would be interested in learning about.  

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5 hours ago, Urbs_Valhalla said:

The "Caddie" feature of Arccos is something i would be interested in learning about.  

I will say, they must have hired a drunk robot for my “cyber caddie” I would be all over the place with their club selections.  Long, short... it’s a good tool to use, but I am not sure I have enough data with each club to have it work properly for me.

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6 hours ago, Urbs_Valhalla said:

The "Caddie" feature of Arccos is something i would be interested in learning about.  

It’s very helpful if you have accurate club data. I have had a few rounds where it’s been right on the dot.

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I guess I need to just bite the bullet and get the Arccos, 2nd swing had a used set of either 1st of 2nd Gen for like 80$. It seems that you get a lot more than I am currently getting with GameGolf. I just wish you could remove bad shots to help get a good average for clubs. Or maybe I need to stop hitting bad shots, LOL

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Driver:     - Anser - 8.5* - Fujikara Red Blur 005 XStiff - Standard L/L

3W:     - SQ Sumo - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Stiff - Standard L/L

Hybrid 3:     - Machspeed - UST Mamiya AXIVCore XStiff -Standard L/L

Irons:      - Idea Black CB3  4-GW - KBS Tour Stiff+ - Standard L/L

Wedges:    - Vokey 52*, 54*, 60* - True Temper Wedge - Standard L/L

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13 hours ago, jb0330 said:

I guess I need to just bite the bullet and get the Arccos, 2nd swing had a used set of either 1st of 2nd Gen for like 80$. It seems that you get a lot more than I am currently getting with GameGolf. I just wish you could remove bad shots to help get a good average for clubs. Or maybe I need to stop hitting bad shots, LOL

Arccos has "smart distance" which removes outliers at the top and bottom, it's pretty accurate from my experience (before I sold my arccos)

There's a really good review thread on Arccos, check it out! Also checkout the ShotScope threads as well

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On 10/22/2020 at 4:17 PM, Urbs_Valhalla said:

The "Caddie" feature of Arccos is something i would be interested in learning about.  

I've used it on and off for the last 2 years and personally I don't like the Caddie feature. I found the wind direction and speed could be inaccurate on the course I play. It makes a big difference if you play in 15 to 20 mph each week. It also suggested high risk strategies that just didn't make sense. Classic "User Beware" software.

I really like the SG methodology of Arccos but it tends to confirm what I already know from my post round analysis. I  stopped using Arccos earlier this year the only stats I now collect are FIR, GIR, recoveries and putts via my Skycaddie. Found I was focusing on the stats rather than on playing the game.

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On 10/24/2020 at 2:45 PM, yungkory said:

Arccos has "smart distance" which removes outliers at the top and bottom, it's pretty accurate from my experience (before I sold my arccos)

There's a really good review thread on Arccos, check it out! Also checkout the ShotScope threads as well

Thank I will for sure look into those!

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Hybrid 3:     - Machspeed - UST Mamiya AXIVCore XStiff -Standard L/L

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On 10/24/2020 at 4:38 PM, Alf. S said:

I've used it on and off for the last 2 years and personally I don't like the Caddie feature. I found the wind direction and speed could be inaccurate on the course I play. It makes a big difference if you play in 15 to 20 mph each week. It also suggested high risk strategies that just didn't make sense. Classic "User Beware" software.

I really like the SG methodology of Arccos but it tends to confirm what I already know from my post round analysis. I  stopped using Arccos earlier this year the only stats I now collect are FIR, GIR, recoveries and putts via my Skycaddie. Found I was focusing on the stats rather than on playing the game.

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After using GameGolf and knowing what metrics I am looking for. GameGolf isn't filling that for me now, I am going to jump over and read what other users have said about Arccos and ShotScope and see which will fill that need. I have been pretty constant about using GameGolf and did learn a lot about my current Golf game but without getting lessons I need a little bit more finite data to hopefully get down to single digits next year.  

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Driver:     - Anser - 8.5* - Fujikara Red Blur 005 XStiff - Standard L/L

3W:     - SQ Sumo - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Stiff - Standard L/L

Hybrid 3:     - Machspeed - UST Mamiya AXIVCore XStiff -Standard L/L

Irons:      - Idea Black CB3  4-GW - KBS Tour Stiff+ - Standard L/L

Wedges:    - Vokey 52*, 54*, 60* - True Temper Wedge - Standard L/L

Putter:     - Versa Blade - 35in

Ball:      NXT Tour

Bag:  - Ultra Light Cart Bag  

Loc: USA/MD

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