ChitownM2 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/4/2023 at 9:06 PM, Fred Mitchell said: What no love for the Hi Toe 4 Taylormade lol. I think they alternate the releases so they have a new wedge every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/4/2023 at 2:57 PM, Mackey said: I play a MD 3 56* bent to 54* in the Tiger grind. I also had an SM 8 60* in M grind for part of the year. I switched to a Renegar 58* wedge, it is just so versatile. I am planning to have a different Tiger grind 56* bent to 58* to try in the spring. I love the grind on the Tiger 56 the leading edge and sole shape work well for me on the 54* and bending it added bounce. Bending one to 58* would lower the bounce and I think that would be great to add for tight fairways. I plan to try it and see how it works for me. I can really spin the ball with my TM MD3 tiger grind. Pretty sure it works the opposite way. Bending a 56 to 54 reduces bounce and bending a 56 to 58 would increase bounce and raise the leading edge DrDaveYT and cnosil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackdaddy Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, ChitownM2 said: Pretty sure it works the opposite way. Bending a 56 to 54 reduces bounce and bending a 56 to 58 would increase bounce and raise the leading edge 1 hour ago, ChitownM2 said: Pretty sure it works the opposite way. Bending a 56 to 54 reduces bounce and bending a 56 to 58 would increase bounce and raise the leading edge That would be even better in my mind. I was told the opposite. I just know that the 54 works great for me and I just took advantage of the Veterans day discount to order the MG4 Tiger grind 56* bent to 58* a bout 20 minutes ago. I would love more bounce around the greens on Bermuda grass for into the grain, I really struggle in those situations. ChitownM2 1 Quote Driver: Titleist TSR 3 10* Accura TZ6 M3 65g Fairways: Callaway Rogue 15* & 19* Matrix Ozik TP 6 HD stiff Hybrid: Titleist TSI 4 & 5 Hybrids Mitsubishi Tensi AV 65 HY X stiff Irons: KZG Forged III 6-P Accura iS7 (Refinished and regrooved) Wedges: Cleveland CBX 50*, Taylormade MG 3 Tiger grind 56 bent to 54/10 & Taylormade MG 4 Tiger grind 56 bent to 58/14 Putter: Positive Putter's Custom P2 (think Edel putter meets Heavy Putter) Ball: Callaway Chome Tour All clubs have Winn Dri-Tac Wraps oversized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mackey said: That would be even better in my mind. I was told the opposite. I just know that the 54 works great for me and I just took advantage of the Veterans day discount to order the MG4 Tiger grind 56* bent to 58* a bout 20 minutes ago. I would love more bounce around the greens on Bermuda grass for into the grain, I really struggle in those situations. @ChitownM2 is correct. It is a 1:1 relationship. Bend the club weaker and it drops the trailing edge lower which increases static bounce. Your swing can change the delivered loft; so unless you deliver the club with a vertical shaft delivered loft will be different than static loft. James Ridyard has a good YouTube video that explains this. Edited November 11, 2023 by cnosil mackdaddy, Shapotomous and ChitownM2 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preeway Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 1:25 PM, Josh Parker said: Just saw that Vokey is releasing a WedgeWorks A Grind built for hard turf/sand but only for the Right Handers currently. 4 degree bounce. Seems like an odd bounce for a sand based wedge. Quote Driver: Aerojet LS, Ventus Blue Shaft - 6S 4 Wood: Rogue ST Max 16.5, Tensei White Shaft - 7S Utility Iron: Fli Hi 3-iron, HAZARDOUS Smoke Black Shaft - S Irons: JPX 921 Tour 4-P, Project X Shafts - Stiff 125g Wedges: 52º, 56º, 60º Putter: Ai-One 7 T CH, 34" Preferred Ball: Z-Star Diamond Pushcart: Nitron Rangefinder: Tour V5 Shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Parker Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 8 hours ago, Preeway said: Seems like an odd bounce for a sand based wedge. I typically use my 58 or 60 out of the sand with a low bounce. I personally prefer it. Here is what Vokey has on their website for "low bounce" Low bounce wedges are typically between 4°-6°, ideal for firm turf conditions and bunkers with harder or coarse sand. Low bounce wedges are designed for clean ball contact, giving you the precision you need in your short game. For instance, low bounce lob wedges can be used to hit high flop shots off tight lies near the green. Low bounce wedges are also useful to players with a sweeper swing style, with shallower attack angles and minimal divots. silver & black and cnosil 2 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackdaddy Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 I have played my MD3 54* for over a year and only the mini grooves of the leading edge have worn down. The rest of the face is still very rough after 78 rounds. Quote Driver: Titleist TSR 3 10* Accura TZ6 M3 65g Fairways: Callaway Rogue 15* & 19* Matrix Ozik TP 6 HD stiff Hybrid: Titleist TSI 4 & 5 Hybrids Mitsubishi Tensi AV 65 HY X stiff Irons: KZG Forged III 6-P Accura iS7 (Refinished and regrooved) Wedges: Cleveland CBX 50*, Taylormade MG 3 Tiger grind 56 bent to 54/10 & Taylormade MG 4 Tiger grind 56 bent to 58/14 Putter: Positive Putter's Custom P2 (think Edel putter meets Heavy Putter) Ball: Callaway Chome Tour All clubs have Winn Dri-Tac Wraps oversized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Preeway said: Seems like an odd bounce for a sand based wedge. This video changed my thoughts about bounce and the advocation for "using the bounce". And as @Josh Parker said, sand conditions will also influence needed bounce. Edited November 11, 2023 by cnosil Josh Parker and Preeway 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preeway Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 I’m familiar with a low bounce for courses with tight lies and firm ground. Since I rarely play on courses like that, I do struggle a bit when faced with these types of lies. Hadn’t heard of a low bounce for coarse sand though. That was new to me. cnosil 1 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS, Ventus Blue Shaft - 6S 4 Wood: Rogue ST Max 16.5, Tensei White Shaft - 7S Utility Iron: Fli Hi 3-iron, HAZARDOUS Smoke Black Shaft - S Irons: JPX 921 Tour 4-P, Project X Shafts - Stiff 125g Wedges: 52º, 56º, 60º Putter: Ai-One 7 T CH, 34" Preferred Ball: Z-Star Diamond Pushcart: Nitron Rangefinder: Tour V5 Shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Not positive but I'm pretty sure that coarse sand is going to be firm sand opposed to very light and fluffy sand where you would want more bounce. So "coarse sand" is just another type of firm condition where a low bounce wedge would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 4:29 PM, bens197 said: I WANT to love the MG4 wedges so bad. The design and shape of them are everything I want in a wedge… …I’ve had an awful experience with the first gen Milled Grind and the Milled Grind 2. I gave up trying and know what I have in my Vokey wedge. It doesn’t mean I won’t try again however it’s one of those things where you can’t put a club in your bag knowing you can’t “hope it” to be effective. ... I didn't care for the MG or MG2 either but absolutely loved the MG3 and the MG4 even more so. My favorite wedges ever. I do think if you get the grind right, the rest is just trimmings but as you well know the perfect look at address is something that is hard to ignore. I am playing a set of the SM9 Euro Stamped I won from MGS in the Ryder Cup Contest (thanks again!) in a 50-54-58 set up. I chose those lofts to match the 50-58 MG4's that have the same grinds so I could make a comparison. I have been very pleased with the performance and may end up keeping a 54* in my bag. But the chances that it will be a 54 MG4 I pick up are very good because I prefer the look and feel of the MG4's over the SM9's. To be fair I believe the performance is equal between the MG4 and SM9 so it just comes down to personal preference for me. bens197 and Preeway 1 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r Irons: '23 T200 4-9i ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: '24 TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, chisag said: ... I didn't care for the MG or MG2 either but absolutely loved the MG3 and the MG4 even more so. My favorite wedges ever. I do think if you get the grind right, the rest is just trimmings but as you well know the perfect look at address is something that is hard to ignore. I am playing a set of the SM9 Euro Stamped I won from MGS in the Ryder Cup Contest (thanks again!) in a 50-54-58 set up. I chose those lofts to match the 50-58 MG4's that have the same grinds so I could make a comparison. I have been very pleased with the performance and may end up keeping a 54* in my bag. But the chances that it will be a 54 MG4 I pick up are very good because I prefer the look and feel of the MG4's over the SM9's. To be fair I believe the performance is equal between the MG4 and SM9 so it just comes down to personal preference for me. I am torn between the two wedges. The Vokeys seem great in a 56, but I like the look of the TM 60 deg. Please let us know when the Ryder Cup wedges are new decor on your wall… they almost look too nice to scuff up! bens197 and chisag 2 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackdaddy Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 On 11/11/2023 at 11:56 AM, cnosil said: This video changed my thoughts about bounce and the advocation for "using the bounce". And as @Josh Parker said, sand conditions will also influence needed bounce. Wedges are a strong area of my game. This video was super helpful in explaining why I succeed in hitting wedges on most grasses but struggle on grainy Bermuda. I play the least on Bermuda grass and struggle in the grain. My response to it was all wrong and had no idea. This video will be a huge help. Quote Driver: Titleist TSR 3 10* Accura TZ6 M3 65g Fairways: Callaway Rogue 15* & 19* Matrix Ozik TP 6 HD stiff Hybrid: Titleist TSI 4 & 5 Hybrids Mitsubishi Tensi AV 65 HY X stiff Irons: KZG Forged III 6-P Accura iS7 (Refinished and regrooved) Wedges: Cleveland CBX 50*, Taylormade MG 3 Tiger grind 56 bent to 54/10 & Taylormade MG 4 Tiger grind 56 bent to 58/14 Putter: Positive Putter's Custom P2 (think Edel putter meets Heavy Putter) Ball: Callaway Chome Tour All clubs have Winn Dri-Tac Wraps oversized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Quick question…. What are the big differences if any between the MG4 vs the MG3? Thinking of buying the cheaper MG3… vs a Vokey SM9… any advise would be greatly appreciated…. Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 38 minutes ago, KC Golf said: Quick question…. What are the big differences if any between the MG4 vs the MG3? Thinking of buying the cheaper MG3… vs a Vokey SM9… any advise would be greatly appreciated…. This article will give you the TM answer. https://golf.com/gear/wedges/taylormade-mg-4-wedges-first-look/ KC Golf and chisag 1 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 57 minutes ago, KC Golf said: Quick question…. What are the big differences if any between the MG4 vs the MG3? Thinking of buying the cheaper MG3… vs a Vokey SM9… any advise would be greatly appreciated…. ... I have been playing a full set off Vokey SM9's with Euro flags I won in the Ryder Cup contest, but before that I played a MG3 50* and a MG4 58* and the differences are subtle. Very subtle. I think the MG4's do feel a little better but that's it. Deciding whether feel is worth another $30 will vary from player to player. KC Golf, bens197 and cnosil 2 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r Irons: '23 T200 4-9i ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: '24 TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 10 minutes ago, chisag said: ... I have been playing a full set off Vokey SM9's with Euro flags I won in the Ryder Cup contest, but before that I played a MG3 50* and a MG4 58* and the differences are subtle. Very subtle. I think the MG4's do feel a little better but that's it. Deciding whether feel is worth another $30 will vary from player to player. I can't speak to feel or performance of the TM wedges however I will say they are my favorite looking wedges at address. The squared lines are just perfect and if I could only get along with them they'd be the clear choice for me. I'm a very satisfied SM8 & SM9 player. chisag and KC Golf 2 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 12 minutes ago, chisag said: ... I have been playing a full set off Vokey SM9's with Euro flags I won in the Ryder Cup contest, but before that I played a MG3 50* and a MG4 58* and the differences are subtle. Very subtle. I think the MG4's do feel a little better but that's it. Deciding whether feel is worth another $30 will vary from player to player. Thank you. That’s what I was thinking but great to hear it from someone playing the two side by side. 36 minutes ago, cnosil said: This article will give you the TM answer. https://golf.com/gear/wedges/taylormade-mg-4-wedges-first-look/ Big Thank You! Really appreciate it. I will definitely go pick up an MG3 to try it out. Really hate paying big dollars for a wedge that wears out within a year or two. The MGS Forum is soooo amazing. chisag and cnosil 2 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 minutes ago, bens197 said: I can't speak to feel or performance of the TM wedges however I will say they are my favorite looking wedges at address. The squared lines are just perfect and if I could only get along with them they'd be the clear choice for me. I'm a very satisfied SM8 & SM9 player. ... I know it borders on equipment blasphemy but when I was playing the MG wedges and like you, they look perfect to me eye, I just couldn't imagine playing anything else. Winning the SM9's, adding a 54* to my rotation and playing them for several months now I am reluctant to go back to the MG's. I have always felt a wedge is a wedge and if it looks right at address and has the correct sole grind, most players can use any wedge. Initially the slightly different look and darker finish of the SM9's took some getting used to. But once you get comfortable with what you are playing I think there really is no reason to change, other than curiosity. cnosil, KC Golf and bens197 2 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r Irons: '23 T200 4-9i ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: '24 TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWillGolf Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Last summer I was looking to replace my Callaway MD3 wedges. I tried Edison but couldn’t get along with it and took advantage their generous refund policy. I then wanted to get the MG4 wedges. I went to the TaylorMade website to place my order but the wedges I wanted couldn’t deliver until December which was well after my season ended. I ended up going to the Titleist website and used their wedge selection tool. I ordered the SM9 in 54 and 58 both in the D grind. I am incredibly happy with them. They feel great and just plain work for me. chisag and bens197 2 Quote Anyday Maverick Black Ops 7-way 0311 Black Ops 8° w/Mitsubishi Diamana S+ 60 0311 XF 3 wood 16° w/Mitsubishi Tensei AV Raw Blue 0211 19° Hybrid w/Project X Even Flow Riptide Paradym X 5 - GW w/True Temper Elevate MPH Official Forum Test SM9 54°/12° D and 58°/12° D w/KBS Tour 110 DF3 w/BGT Stability ONE Forum Test ER11v 34” Evnroll ER11v Official Forum Test Shot Scope Pro LX+ Pro LX+ Official Forum Test MTB prime 3.5+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHB75 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 As I stated before, once upon a time I was a devoted Vokey wedge guy for years. But after trying the Taylormade MG3's I was converted given the enhanced sound, feel and accuracy. I agree with the comments about the wear and tear on the wedges themselves; but, I haven't noticed them tearing up my Pro V-1X or TP5X golf balls. After saying that, I buy new 54 and 60 degree wedges every year (and my 50 degree wedge every 2 years) so that wear and tear is not a big deal for me. In addition, I carry a grove sharpening tool--which I use as needed (typically once a month after about 9 months or so). But for me the difference in accuracy and feel of my MG4s is well worth it. chisag 1 Quote Roger Beusch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdotwon69 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I can play both and I have a set of both. I’m a player who likes a ton of spin around the green. The taylormade MG4 wedges spin more when they’re new, and can absolutely rip the cover off the ball. Once you have used both wedges for a few months (depending on how much you play), I don’t notice a difference in spin. But when you take the rapping off and the wedges are new, the MG4 spins more than any wedge I’ve played in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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