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The Tour Striker club. I started w their PW, then got the 7 iron.  Learned to strike down.  Carried it in my bag for years and used it to warm up on the range before a round. 

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I don't believe there is such a training aid. I took a lesson the other day and being able to see a video of my swing immediately, get Trakman results and have a coach tell you what you are doing wrong is pretty indispensable.  

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1 hour ago, Headhammer said:

I don't believe there is such a training aid. I took a lesson the other day and being able to see a video of my swing immediately, get Trakman results and have a coach tell you what you are doing wrong is pretty indispensable.  

X2! FYI, I have 2 - LMs, Orange Whips, Superspeed sticks, Tour Striker club, plus a couple more.  My instructor uses both video and a MEVO. The $60 I spent for that lesson resulted in subtle changes to my posture/swing and far exceeded the benefits of a training aid. I could have spent 3 times as much (which I already have) and never gotten the benefits as I did from that one lesson.

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I'm a strong believers in lessons
with the caveat that you can spend good money on bad lessons.

Some coaches are so committed to a certain swing philosophy
that they don't set the individual student on the right path for him or her.

As for training aids, I've never been big on them while others will swear to them.

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Goober said:

Out of all the aids out there.Which one(s) gave you more of a positive feedback than a lesson would 

Kind of a chicken or the egg type of conversation here.  The right training aid/drill can provide great feedback.  The purpose of a lesson is to get feedback on what you can do to improve.   

If you are using the wrong training aid, don't understand the feedback, or how to use the feedback you probably won't improve.   

In theory the instructor is giving you feedback on what you should be experiencing and what you need to do to get better.

Based on this thought process, a training aid could be more beneficial than a lesson, but you would have to understand what you are trying to change and how to go about making that change. 

 

My training aid would be the ExPutt simulator.   It has helped me get the feels for putting distance control and face angle at impact.   This provides feedback over a lesson because I have had lessons that have explained and I understand the putting mechanics so my need it to continue to practice those skills.   

 

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39 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

Medicus.

Interesting,  answers why you dislike modern instruction.  Most modern coaches feel it teaches a poor swing and puts you in bad positions during the swing.  

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40 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Interesting,  answers why you dislike modern instruction.  Most modern coaches feel it teaches a poor swing and puts you in bad positions during the swing.  

Most modern instructors are faking it. The Medicus is a brilliant design because it promotes effective swing tempo and rhythm.

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I think the answer depends on what the individual is trying to accomplish. Is it swing, is it putting, is it short game? The training aids are only as good as using them for what they're designed to help with and also only as good as the student using them properly.

Using a Hackmotion to fix tempo is likely going to be a fail. Just like using an Orange Whip to fix poor chipping technique will be a fail.

There are plenty of quality aids out there, as long as they're used properly and as intended.

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@Goober interesting question and I'm gonna echo @cnosil and @Shrek74 comments - training aids imo are best used when they help solve a problem that was identified by a qualified teaching pro. So not necessarily better than a lesson but a great additive to a good lesson (and have to agree with @RetiredBoomer there can be bad lessons).

Too many recreational golfers buy things that .. unknowingly to them .. may actually hurt their swing and their game...

I get a lotta use out of my Orange Whips .. often swing in front of a mirror so I can check my positions and movements as I'm doing them .. and I'm always practicing what was given to me in lessons (in person).

Putting training aids are potentially the most useful. Also really happy with the ExPutt - great way to practice indoors and get feedback on your path and impact - and I also have a Blast Motion sensor which gives you some great metrics on your stroke (eg face rotation, tempo, etc).

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Interesting topic. Following..

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