numberonecoog Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I am going to get some feedback from this one from people saying I dont know what I am talking about. I'll also get some push back from people saying I dont have any experience and yadda yadda. I agree with the 2nd point I dont have the experience of many a lot of people. Here is my experience with golf club fitting -Certified fitter through DSG/Golf Galaxy-Worked for a Top 100 Club Fitter for over a year. I had many conversations about fitting with him and he has influenced my thinking in many ways and also challeneged me to think differently about golf club fitting. To me the biggest lie in golf club fitting and equipment is the Lie Board.This piece of equipment is far less useful than it gets credit for. I see fittings taking place all of the time that use the lie board. Lie boards create perfect divots not perfect golf shots. If I told you that you can have a perfect divot or a straight shot which would you choose? I know I would choose the shot every single time. The lie board tells us what is going on at the bottom of the swing. I dont care what my turf interaction is if I hit it dead straight every time. This is not to say Lie Angle isnt important when fitting a golf club. I would argue its one of the most important factors when fitting for irons. The fitter I worked with LOVED messing with lie angles. In every iron fitting he would grab a club that was 3* up and one that was 3* down. Watching the ball on Trackman and down range was something to be amazed by. The ball would differ by 30 yards. Again lie angle is important. With all of that being said, The solution is to watch the ball flight and adjust the lie from there. I believe in a dynamic fitting. Watch the flight if its fading pull that toe up. If its hooking a little push the toe down. I once saw a guy come get fit who was hitting a fade/slice. If you put him on a lie board he needed 2* flat. Now I ask why would I want to make this guy flatter who he is already hitting a fade. Who cares what happens on the ground. I care about ball flight. Before I changed my swing I would measure for 1 degree flat. I tried that and my fade was even worse. Moved it 1.5 degrees upright and it straightened out. If you play for pretty divots I applaud you. I play for low (ish) scores. Check out my personal Equipment Blog and Podcast! Huntingforbirdies.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy Barbajo Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Not sure you'll get much pushback. Had a fitting last year at 2nd Swing and the fitter - Thomas Elsberry - was as good as they come. For him, the lie board was a starting point, but he was much more concerned about ball flight and how to make the clubs and your swing work together. He also used the term "dynamic" fitting - in that a good fitting is really a 3 or 4 month process. Go out and play with the newly fit sticks and then see how they work for you - things may need to be tweaked as you go. What's in the bag: Driver: TSR3; DynaPWR Carbon FW Wood: DynaPWR 3-wood; TSR 2+ Hybrids: PXG Gen4 18-degree Utility Irons: ZX MkII 20* Irons:; 699/699 Pro V2 Combo; D9 Forged; MT86 (coming soon!); VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; Wedges: RTX6 Zipcore Putter: HB Soft Milled 10.5; Newport Special Select; Willamette, BB8; 8802; MATI Monto Ball: Tour B RXS; Z-STAR Diamond; Triad Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: Follow @golfspybarbajo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Thanks #1coog, now find me a local guy (Tampa ) that can do that. Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 No push back here. Lie boards lie. For me a better tool is a vertical sharpie line on the ball and see if the line is still vertical on the club face after you hit. Ball flight trumps all though. All the tools in the world can't match watching the ball flight, but they can help you find a good fit faster Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy mobile app Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireinthehole Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I would agree with you on that. I always change my swing not to "hurt" the board. My Mixed-Bag: Driver: Mavrik Sub zero, ventus black 7x Fairway: Still looking! Irons: MP-18 MB 4-PW Wedges: Miura K Grinds Putter: Evnroll 1.2 blade Ball: Z star XV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy Barbajo Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 For me a better tool is a vertical sharpie line on the ball and see if the line is still vertical on the club face after you hit. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy mobile app Thomas used that as well -- it's about as true as you can get... What's in the bag: Driver: TSR3; DynaPWR Carbon FW Wood: DynaPWR 3-wood; TSR 2+ Hybrids: PXG Gen4 18-degree Utility Irons: ZX MkII 20* Irons:; 699/699 Pro V2 Combo; D9 Forged; MT86 (coming soon!); VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; Wedges: RTX6 Zipcore Putter: HB Soft Milled 10.5; Newport Special Select; Willamette, BB8; 8802; MATI Monto Ball: Tour B RXS; Z-STAR Diamond; Triad Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: Follow @golfspybarbajo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbil8802 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I hate lie boards. They say I need 3° upright but my natural shot shape is a draw. 3° upright makes it stupid to control. Driver - M1 9.5* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 70X Fairway - M1 5W 19* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 70X Hybrids - G25 4H 23* Irons - JPX 850 Forged 4-PW w/ Nippon N.S. Pro 1150S Wedges - S5 50*07, 54*12, 58*12 w/ Nippon N.S. Pro 1150S Putter - Oddyssey Metal-X #7 w/ SuperStroke Pistol GT 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numberonecoog Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Thanks for the feed back guys! I hate the lie board and think its deceitful and places love to use it. I am trying to start my own blog and like seeign what topics generate some interest. I wont link to it in the forums out of respect to MGS. I do appreciate the feedback. Thank you! Check out my personal Equipment Blog and Podcast! Huntingforbirdies.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Not sure you'll get much pushback. Had a fitting last year at 2nd Swing and the fitter - Thomas Elsberry - was as good as they come. For him, the lie board was a starting point, but he was much more concerned about ball flight and how to make the clubs and your swing work together. He also used the term "dynamic" fitting - in that a good fitting is really a 3 or 4 month process. Go out and play with the newly fit sticks and then see how they work for you - things may need to be tweaked as you go. Exactly what I have found out over the years it can be a lengthy process or a work in progress. On some of my experimental stuff I will make written notes drive around the corner to the house make adjustments and try it again Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apprenti23 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 The lie board is a pretty useful tool if you know how to interpret the markings correctly based upon ones path and face angle. Small adjustments in lie will not only fix turf interactions, but they'll account for more centered hits as well. Going upright/flat will move toe/heel shots closer to the sweet spot. It's not all about having a perfect divot. Until there's something better out there, I will continue to use a lie board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 How about the most important part of fitting being common sense on both the part of the player and the fitter. I've had lots of fittings and the best ones were always the ones that included multiple forms of data including lots of interaction between myself and the fitter. I can't speak to the lie board as much as the divot. The divot tells a part of the story. My general ball flight is a high draw, not surprisingly my divots are shallow and point to the right of the target, when they get deeper or point too far right my attack is too far to the inside.. Seeing that divot helps confirms why the ball is flying as it is and changing the divot will change my ball flight. Sounds simple, doesn't it. At any rate the lie board provides a piece of the puzzle when fitting, it's a starting point or a confirmation of what the experienced fitter has already observed. Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtracymog Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 The only fitting I use a lie board for is a wedge fitting and I use that to narrow down the sole width and then we go to the turf from there. Putting a sticker on the face with a line on a ball is much more accurate when determining lie angle. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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