PlaidJacket Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Again this morning I'm reading an article on Global Golf Post. This time it's about male golf coaches being weary of teaching girls - women because they are afraid of being accused of something inappropriate. As in touching. The article is worth reading if you get a chance. Go to www.Golbalgolfpost and you'll find the article. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddryan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Oh so right. My wife used to warn me about offering fellow students a ride on cold and rainy days- "you never know what someone might accuse you of - when you are alone in a car with them" I would offer as long as there were two or three (most students were younger, I was returning to school after 10 years on active duty in the military) but I heeded her advice and never had an issue. Thank God! What's in the bag? Driver Callaway Mavrik 105 set to 9.5, square, Aldila Rogue White 130 MSI 60G Stiff shaft #3 Wood Callaway FT Tour 13 degree neutral setup, Fuijkara 370 Stiff Shaft Hybrid 18 Degree King Cobra Baffler pro, Baffler Stiff shaft 4-PW Titlest 714 AP2, Standard loft and lie, MGS S Shafts 53, 57 degree loft Hogan Equalizer wedges 1962 Wilson "Sandy Andy" sand wedge with HUGE bounce! Putter MLA Pro Classic Titlist ProV 1, ProV 1x Currently Gaming "Costco Kirkland Signature Tour Performance" balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 This is a big issue. The teaching pro at my course has several boys and girls that are very good players; one girl is 13 and ranked nationally. He is a good teacher and a great guy, but I could see something like this happening. This year my wife moved her 501c3 non-profit to teach H.S. kids employability skills into a new building that was renovated for her and 4H. She is required to get insurance, and because her non-profit works with kids, she has to pay extra for this kind of protection. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kardboard.kid Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 That has been on my radar since I started hiring interns. I'm located in the back of the plant and not visible unless at my door. I love the privacy, however that has created other issues. It really says much on the state of the society we live in. Sent from my XT1635-01 using MyGolfSpy mobile app F7+ w/Fujikura Pro XLR8 Graphite Shaft 3-I MPF H-Series3B2M graphite Shaft w/Winn Dri-Tac grip mid STi Irons 5-SW KURO KAGE 70IR Flex-R Lamkin Grips King F6 Hybrid Matrix Red Tie HQ4 Graphite Shaft Forged FGT 60* wedge KURO KAGE 70R SS cross Comfort grip O-Putter 1W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 That's interesting Kenny. As you might have read here in the forum I'm starting the First Tee where I live. We're also forming a nonprofit. It'll be interesting to see what our insurance premiums will be. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Well unfortunately you guys are right on. I coached girls softball for 8 years when my daughters were young. I was very careful to never touch one of these young girls. I never wanted any inappropriate “touching†problems with any parents. It all worked out no problems, great games and teams. A few of the girls had decent high school and college careers. Was a lot of fun for my daughters and me and I was able to spend quality time with my kids. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 It's terrible that this is what our society has come to. XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Any of us who work with kids or vulnerable people must constantly be on the watch and also heavily insured. Iï¸ would suggest that it no longer matters if it's a female or male person. There is a window in my Study, it has blinds that Iï¸ keep half drawn, the person whom I'm meeting with sits across the room from me with his/her back to the window. Iï¸ have to meet with people alone. It's an expectation. In fact I'm meeting with a 14 year old girl this afternoon. A golf coach or teacher might be wise to never offer a one on one lesson. Haven't a clue as to why my spell check is changing the first person singular pronoun the way it is. Thoughts? Suggested helps? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I agree with everything that was said above. I will only add that this kind of thing isn't just people being overly cautious or hysterical. Just look to the recent revelations regarding Harvey Weinstein, Mark Halperin, Michael Oreskes, Roger Ailes, Kevin Spacey, Bill O'Reilly, etc. Call me naive I guess but I have been kind of shocked by how widespread it is for men in power to abuse it to take advantage of women. I'm sure some women on this forum could tell me just how naive I am. Certainly a case of a few bad apples but wow. Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I agree with everything that was said above. I will only add that this kind of thing isn't just people being overly cautious or hysterical. Just look to the recent revelations regarding Harvey Weinstein, Mark Halperin, Michael Oreskes, Roger Ailes, Kevin Spacey, Bill O'Reilly, etc. Call me naive I guess but I have been kind of shocked by how widespread it is for men in power to abuse it to take advantage of women. I'm sure some women on this forum could tell me just how naive I am. Certainly a case of a few bad apples but wow. You and me both, I had no idea it was that bad. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 You and me both, I had no idea it was that bad. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy My guess is there will be more names put out there and it's going to get worse before it gets better . Truly a sad state of our entertainment industry and nation... MDGolfHacker What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 My guess is there will be more names put out there and it's going to get worse before it gets better . Truly a sad state of our entertainment industry and nation... MDGolfHacker I agree. We're seeing this everyday now with a new name. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filtr Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 The only problem I have is these are allegations a not proven yet in court if they have happened punish them. But I was a coach one time I would not coach anymore because you never know how many years you may have to defended your self. 30 or 50 years ago someone my take offence and accuse you of something that you can not even remember doing. Even at work you need at least three people for witness now a days. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 The only problem I have is these are allegations a not proven yet in court if they have happened punish them. But I was a coach one time I would not coach anymore because you never know how many years you may have to defended your self. 30 or 50 years ago someone my take offence and accuse you of something that you can not even remember doing. Even at work you need at least three people for witness now a days. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy That's the truth. 30 years ago I could have a female in my office for many different reasons. Over last 10 or so years if it was normal business discussion my office door was wide open. If it was a review or other business that required a closed door I had another person in room , preferably female. I got gunshy after a friend of mine got dragged thru hell from false allegations thru disgruntled female employee. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I'm not saying the recent allegations from a number of women are false, but this s**t is getting out of hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I'm not saying the recent allegations from a number of women are false, but this s**t is getting out of hand!Unfortunately most of the allegations are true, too many I'm afraid. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I've seen it at work (a lot). So just the tip of the iceberg Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Unfortunately most of the allegations are true, too many I'm afraid. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I know most of them are true, unfortunately. This is probably not going to go over well, but I'm throwing it out there anyway: Why now? Why not when it happened? Maybe you (said women) could have saved someone else from being a victim if you came forward when it happened. Could it be that you weren't going to jeopardize your lucrative career because your were groped? You figured, what the hell, I can take it for all the money and fame I'm going to get. Now that your career is no longer what it once was, it's okay to do this now? Somehow, that doesn't fly.... at least to me. I have to add here that, I in no way condone what happened to any of these women, nor do I think the men shouldn't be held accountable...... I have daughters myself. I just think this is a more complicated issue than "he said, she said". It seems to me that there is responsibility on both sides. I have told both of my daughters that if they encountered this at their place of employment that, they had better report it immediately. If you don't, you have to share some culpability for the continuation of this kind of behavior. If the powers that be on here feel this crossed the line, please delete my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I know most of them are true, unfortunately. This is probably not going to go over well, but I'm throwing it out there anyway: Why now? Why not when it happened? Maybe you (said women) could have saved someone else from being a victim if you came forward when it happened. Could it be that you weren't going to jeopardize your lucrative career because your were groped? You figured, what the hell, I can take it for all the money and fame I'm going to get. Now that your career is no longer what it once was, it's okay to do this now? Somehow, that doesn't fly.... at least to me. I have to add here that, I in no way condone what happened to any of these women, nor do I think the men shouldn't be held accountable...... I have daughters myself. I just think this is a more complicated issue than "he said, she said". It seems to me that there is responsibility on both sides. I completely understand what you are saying, and if you are a man who has always been taken seriously why wouldn't you think someone should have just said something. But the he-said she-said nature of it means a huge disincentive to women reporting it—especially when you are accusing a male coworker who is in a higher power position than you. I think it is also believable that this kind of behavior was perceived as acceptable in a previous generation. Women were likely told some combination of it was their fault and boys will be boys. That kind of culture permeates down so that older female employees tell the younger ones not to make a fuss and tough it out. Eventually, this leads to women thinking they are the only one and no one will support your claim so you risk not only your job but also your credibility. That is the reason that these allegation create an avalanche. People feel they are alone until one person speaks up and then the entire history of people affected speak up. In the end, all of these examples have shown me that it takes the word of multiple women to equal the word of one man in power. As a father of 2 daughters and someone who was taught to respect women (and everyone) I won't make excuses for any of these pigs. I have told both of my daughters that if they encountered this at their place of employment that, they had better report it immediately. If you don't, you have to share some culpability for the continuation of this kind of behavior. I think the culture is changing so that this kind of report would be taken seriously so bravo. Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I agree with you that this is a generational thing. I do understand why they might not have come out at the time it happened. But, still................... I hope you're right about the culture changing, but I won't hold my breath. Like it or not, a large percentage of men just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I know most of them are true, unfortunately. This is probably not going to go over well, but I'm throwing it out there anyway: Why now? Why not when it happened? Maybe you (said women) could have saved someone else from being a victim if you came forward when it happened. Could it be that you weren't going to jeopardize your lucrative career because your were groped? You figured, what the hell, I can take it for all the money and fame I'm going to get. Now that your career is no longer what it once was, it's okay to do this now? Somehow, that doesn't fly.... at least to me. I have to add here that, I in no way condone what happened to any of these women, nor do I think the men shouldn't be held accountable...... I have daughters myself. I just think this is a more complicated issue than "he said, she said". It seems to me that there is responsibility on both sides. I have told both of my daughters that if they encountered this at their place of employment that, they had better report it immediately. If you don't, you have to share some culpability for the continuation of this kind of behavior. If the powers that be on here feel this crossed the line, please delete my post. I don't have a problem.I've got 2 daughters & 3 granddaughters. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I completely understand what you are saying, and if you are a man who has always been taken seriously why wouldn't you think someone should have just said something. But the he-said she-said nature of it means a huge disincentive to women reporting it—especially when you are accusing a male coworker who is in a higher power position than you. I think it is also believable that this kind of behavior was perceived as acceptable in a previous generation. Women were likely told some combination of it was their fault and boys will be boys. That kind of culture permeates down so that older female employees tell the younger ones not to make a fuss and tough it out. Eventually, this leads to women thinking they are the only one and no one will support your claim so you risk not only your job but also your credibility. That is the reason that these allegation create an avalanche. People feel they are alone until one person speaks up and then the entire history of people affected speak up. In the end, all of these examples have shown me that it takes the word of multiple women to equal the word of one man in power. As a father of 2 daughters and someone who was taught to respect women (and everyone) I won't make excuses for any of these pigs. I think the culture is changing so that this kind of report would be taken seriously so bravo. Hope so. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 As a referee for young kids in USA Hockey sanctioned leagues (havnt found one that isnt) the clearances required are a lot as well. Add in the state of PA requires a special check if you're going to be around kids. I know a few guys that just said it wasnt worth the hassel Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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