Chip Strokes Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Agent 87 said: The trouble with trying to diagnose swing faults is that you can't see yourself swing. What you need to do is see a pro. My experience has been that it's the best golf purchase I've ever made. thanks for the suggestion. i’ve been seeing a coach for a while. my swing is night and day compared to what it was, but i opened myself up to some suggestions based on what i felt my last round out. Vegan_Golfer_PNW 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I have had pretty much all of the issues mentioned in this thread and am still working through some of them. The inside takeaway was so hard for me to get rid of, took like 6 months and I thought about it and tried to rehearse it every day during those 6 months plus practicing. It took a really long time until a light bulb went off in my head realizing what is really happening in the backswing when you combine arms with hips in the backswing. Hip rotation took a long time to figure out and still a work in-progress. What took a long time to realize was that my lack of hip rotation was a result of upstream issues, so if i tried to fix the hip rotation in isolation, i would probably do one of two things, pull the ball off planet earth or spin them too fast and hit the ball straight right. For me personally, everything goes to backswing and sequencing. If my arm swing gets too long, bad things happen. If my wrist angles get off, bad things also happen. If i get the right width and depth in my backswing, then my wrists get in a better angle, shaft gets on a better plane, i start rotating better, etc. My takeaway is that none of these may be specific to you, but i have learned over time that there are typically upstream root causes and then the body reacts accordingly to make it so that you can still hit the ball. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 10:32 AM, cnosil said: I am no help here. I think this whole rotation thing is what has screwed up my golf swing. For a time, I came to believe that my rather short, compact, Finua-esque swing was a detriment. It seemed I needed a John Daly like swing to generate speed. I started focusing on wider, deeper backswings and it just does not work for my physical kinematics. Instead, I have been doing stretch routines to help keep my flexibility... something Father-Time likes to take away. cnosil and Shapotomous 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Good video @Chip Strokes.... you even caught the sound of the ball screaming in pain from being hit so hard! I wish I could go back 30 years and have access to this type of info on the interwebs so I could have improved my swing when i could REALLY swing a club. Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 As a baseball player, I think this will resonate with you. Mike has a bunch of good drills and baseball examples. Milo Lines is another former ball player with good stuff online. Might help get your hips through and not stalling. Chip Strokes and Shapotomous 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 17 hours ago, Chip Strokes said: not disputing you - just trying to understand what you’re suggesting. you say shoulder higher, but when i look at most any pro at impact, i see this: So my response would be what part of your swing looks like theirs? Chasing positions can get you in a lot of trouble. Positions are part of every swing and there are some that show up among great players. However the golf swing is not about trying to achieve positions it is all about matchups. It is also much easier to diagnose a problem that is seen. We are basing our guesses off you hitting it well. Chip Strokes and cnosil 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 18 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said: Before you go changing your takeaway just focus on keeping right shoulder higher if and when you start getting the chunks. I generally don't hit too many chunks, but my big miss is a high flare/slice. It occurred to recently (with an observation from a friend) that I occasionally drag my hands behind way too late resulting in a very open face. Is it possible that is a result of not keeping my right shoulder up? On a bad swing the other day, I totally felt like it dipped too far, too early. Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said: I generally don't hit too many chunks, but my big miss is a high flare/slice. It occurred to recently (with an observation from a friend) that I occasionally drag my hands behind way too late resulting in a very open face. Is it possible that is a result of not keeping my right shoulder up? On a bad swing the other day, I totally felt like it dipped too far, too early. It could be that. It could be something else. Covering the ball with your chest is probably better words to use. Generally when you have an open face from the inside it is caused by something the trail side is doing. MaxEntropy 1 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said: I generally don't hit too many chunks, but my big miss is a high flare/slice. It occurred to recently (with an observation from a friend) that I occasionally drag my hands behind way too late resulting in a very open face. Is it possible that is a result of not keeping my right shoulder up? On a bad swing the other day, I totally felt like it dipped too far, too early. 34 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said: It could be that. It could be something else. Covering the ball with your chest is probably better words to use. Generally when you have an open face from the inside it is caused by something the trail side is doing. Are you guys talking about the right (trail) shoulder dipping too much too early in the downswing? MaxEntropy 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, dlow206 said: Are you guys talking about the right (trail) shoulder dipping too much too early in the downswing? Yes MaxEntropy and edingc 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said: Yes That was a big problem for me. Monte told me not to do anything else until i got that fixed. That one took a long time to get even close to fixing. I was using my right shoulder dipping as a fault to get more shallow previously. My low point control was terrible, way behind the ball even though i was coming into the ball fairly shallow. Also would cause me to hit some shots 45 degrees right with irons at times. It was the worst thing ever. EDIT: To clarify, the issue is the timing of when the right shoulder lowers. Its not supposed to happen immediately in transition. Trying to find a good example face on swing sequence image that has enough frames in it. In the below, on top image 5, the shoulders in the image are fairly level at around left arm parallel to the ground. My right shoulder used to be way under at that point. THEZIPR23 and MaxEntropy 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 54 minutes ago, dlow206 said: Are you guys talking about the right (trail) shoulder dipping too much too early in the downswing? Guilty here. Can lead me to some power hooks and wicked high push slices with driver and thin or fat shots with irons. MaxEntropy and dlow206 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, edingc said: Guilty here. Can lead me to some power hooks and wicked high push slices with driver and thin or fat shots with irons. Yeah, with driver, i used to hit snappers, but then learned to hold it off a little and then comes the push slices. I hate it. edingc 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: That was a big problem for me. Monte told me not to do anything else until i got that fixed. That one took a long time to get even close to fixing. I was using my right shoulder dipping as a fault to get more shallow previously. My low point control was terrible, way behind the ball even though i was coming into the ball fairly shallow. Also would cause me to hit some shots 45 degrees right with irons at times. It was the worst thing ever. EDIT: To clarify, the issue is the timing of when the right shoulder lowers. Its not supposed to happen immediately in transition. Trying to find a good example face on swing sequence image that has enough frames in it. In the below, on top image 5, the shoulders in the image are fairly level at around left arm parallel to the ground. My right shoulder used to be way under at that point. Hogan's swing is an all time classic. But remember he spent his entire life trying NOT to hit the ball left. If you just put the first bottom picture up you could say that his trail side is breaking down. However his front side is so open and moved in front of the ball, which gets his matchups correct. 2 minutes ago, dlow206 said: Yeah, with driver, i used to hit snappers, but then learned to hold it off a little and then comes the push slices. I hate it. I've only been doing this for 20+ years.... edingc 1 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 This is one of my biggest faults as well. I get the club stuck a d every thing is fat and short Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy edingc 1 Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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