Arccos User Group

[KC Golf]

39 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said:

I know the app updated as I've noticed some different formatting for some of the things. My phone also did a firmware update around the same time, so I suppose it's possible it was my phone, but I'm pretty sure @DiscipleofPenick observed some strange behavior too.

I noticed it added foot path tracks to the green location area.  This may have been done by Arccos before, but I noticed this after yesterdays round.

[Kostey80]

Link vs Apple watch anyone made any comprising in terms of capturing shots? 

[MaxEntropy]

Ever since Arccos updated a few weeks ago, I have seen a staggering number of false detections (around 1 per hole). While it is a bit of a nuisance, it's not that huge of a deal because it is very obvious any time I look at my phone. Battery life on my phone has also suffered and I can barely make it through 18 holes on a full charge. Now I am seeing another potential problem - accuracy. Some of the numbers don't seem to add up. On 13 last night in league, Arcoss told me I had a "plays like" distance of 145 to the middle (with a back pin). That should be a stock 8i to be just past middle. I launched it over the green to a really crappy lie next to a bunker with the ball about a foot below my feet. After the fact, Arccos said I hit that 8i 142. On 17, it was another "plays like" of 145 to the middle, so I hit another 8i and ended up short of the green with another reported shot distance of 142. I actually hit it farther than that as that hole has a huge false front and the ball would have come back about 30 yards if the grass hadn't been a little longer than normal. As it was, it only came back about 5 yards from the pitch mark (which was still a couple yards short of the green). There was virtually no breeze last night, so wind did not affect it. I have no idea what's going on. Is anyone else noticing any discrepancies? I know playing the "what if" game doesn't really work in golf, but if I hit a 9i on 13 and 7i on 17 (assuming the same contact I made with the 8i's), that's potentially 2 strokes that are a direct result of trusting the technology. I have no idea what to do about it, but I am strongly considering just giving up on Arccos and removing the sensors and being done with it. Arccos claims to help us improve. At this point, I know exactly what my weaknesses are and the tech is starting to cost me strokes.

[phitaumatthew]

I've had a few issues with missed shots @MaxEntropy and it's starting to get annoying. I'll be honest, even though I just bought the device back in August, if this continues I'll be getting rid of them before EOY if this doesn't fix itself. Not sure what I'm getting out of it if it's not logging properly.

[MaxEntropy]

48 minutes ago, phitaumatthew said:

I've had a few issues with missed shots @MaxEntropy and it's starting to get annoying. I'll be honest, even though I just bought the device back in August, if this continues I'll be getting rid of them before EOY if this doesn't fix itself. Not sure what I'm getting out of it if it's not logging properly.

I've used it since Aug 2019 and have logged over 11,000 shots. In all that time, I can count the number of missed shots on a couple fingers (other than putts, but that's another story). Until recently, the experience has been mostly flawless for me and I've been very happy with it. Now it's just getting annoying.

[phitaumatthew]

@MaxEntropypotentially stupid question, but I've been trying to figure out how I change putts from "off" the green to not be counted as puts. Meaning I'm on the fringe and so technically that isn't a "putt" on the green. Is that possible in the app so that my putt average is more accruate.

[MaxEntropy]

20 minutes ago, phitaumatthew said:

@MaxEntropypotentially stupid question, but I've been trying to figure out how I change putts from "off" the green to not be counted as puts. Meaning I'm on the fringe and so technically that isn't a "putt" on the green. Is that possible in the app so that my putt average is more accruate.

If you click on the green view (icon with white pin/green background - lower right on Android version, I assume same place for iOS), each putt will have a distance and the pencil to the far right is how you mark it as a chip.

Edited October 4, 2023 by MaxEntropy

[phitaumatthew]

@MaxEntropyThanks so much.

[redyeti]

Has anyone seen their # of putts be off by 1-2 pretty consistently?  I'm constantly seeing it register 3 putts when I did 2, or 1 putt when I actually did 3.  I have made it a habit to go in after every hole and make sure I manually change the number of putts.

[KC Golf]

On 10/5/2023 at 5:50 AM, redyeti said:

Has anyone seen their # of putts be off by 1-2 pretty consistently?  I'm constantly seeing it register 3 putts when I did 2, or 1 putt when I actually did 3.  I have made it a habit to go in after every hole and make sure I manually change the number of putts.

I use a Apple Watch and a Super Stroke putter sensor insert.  I find this works very well.  I do not see any problems with it except some tap ins.  I have an issue sometime if I am practicing my putt and the person next to me putts and then it thinks I putted.  So I get extra putts some odd time.

Hope that helps.

[MaxEntropy]

On 10/4/2023 at 4:50 PM, redyeti said:

Has anyone seen their # of putts be off by 1-2 pretty consistently?  I'm constantly seeing it register 3 putts when I did 2, or 1 putt when I actually did 3.  I have made it a habit to go in after every hole and make sure I manually change the number of putts.

I have not had a putter sensor in my putter for about 2 years now. It never worked right, Arccos even sent me a new one, which worked for about a month, then stopped. Rather than fighting it, I just pulled it and log my putts manually. I suspect the issue was the fact that both putters I use with any regularity have pretty soft faces, but don't know for sure if that's the issue.

[Paul Hedrick]

Due to many reasons (health, weather, other commitments), I have not played much recently.  Yesterday I did play a round of 18, and Arccos performed great.  It did miss one shot, a mid iron, but that was easy enough to add when I got home.  I found that all of my putts (sadly way to many), were counted correctly.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Paul Hedrick

[KC Golf]

5 hours ago, Paul Hedrick said:

Due to many reasons (health, weather, other commitments), I have not played much recently.  Yesterday I did play a round of 18, and Arccos performed great.  It did miss one shot, a mid iron, but that was easy enough to add when I got home.  I found that all of my putts (sadly way to many, were counted correctly.

I hope you can get out for more rounds this Fall while he weather is decent.

Used Arccos and it worked great in Asia as well.

[KC Golf]

Another year of Arccos in the books.  

It clearly showed me that I am now more accurate in my club distances.

Still not sure about the AI based caddie features of Arccos, but my game has improved based on better distance control / knowledge. 

[Paul Hedrick]

Played yesterday, and had the best round I have ever had!  ARCCOS missed two shots; Driver and 5 Wood.  Easy enough to add in after, but I sure would like to know why those were missed so I can make sure to not do it again.

[Indy_Oz]

On 10/16/2023 at 12:21 PM, MaxEntropy said:

I have not had a putter sensor in my putter for about 2 years now. It never worked right, Arccos even sent me a new one, which worked for about a month, then stopped. Rather than fighting it, I just pulled it and log my putts manually. I suspect the issue was the fact that both putters I use with any regularity have pretty soft faces, but don't know for sure if that's the issue.

Fairly new to the forum and just found this thread. I started using Arccos in around May this year.

I found the combination of an Odyssey putter with soft white hot insert and a Callaway supersoft or Chromesoft ball made Arccos quite inconsistent at detecting putts earlier this year. I use the putter sensor and Apple Watch to detect impacts for what its worth.

I prefer the Taylormade TP5x ball (after testing a few different balls out through spring) and after changing to a Sik putter over summer (firmer face), Arccos rarely misses a putt.  There is also a chance that upgrading my apple watch to the latest version over summer played a part with an improved microphone, not sure. But the TP5x has a much more audible 'click' on impact than the softer balls. to my ear at least.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Indy_Oz

[Paul Hedrick]

Today I received 3 identical emails from Arccos about their 'new' Arccos Link Pro.  I am supposing they were thinking I might just ignore emails 1 and 2.....   Anyway, I do not think I will be in too much a hurry to shell out $225 for the new link considering how how dismal version one was, personal experience, and the feedback I have heard about version 2.  I am sure there will be those the order it right away, so I will wait to hear their feedback before I make any decision.

[Play18]

19 hours ago, Paul Hedrick said:

Today I received 3 identical emails from Arccos about their 'new' Arccos Link Pro.  I am supposing they were thinking I might just ignore emails 1 and 2.....   Anyway, I do not think I will be in too much a hurry to shell out $225 for the new link considering how how dismal version one was, personal experience, and the feedback I have heard about version 2.  I am sure there will be those the order it right away, so I will wait to hear their feedback before I make any decision.

The new Link Pro is intriguing,  I tried the Link but it drained my iPhone battery and my older Apple Watch barely completes an 18-hole round.  I wonder if the new design solves the battery drain in my other devices.

[Cfhandyman]

I really like what Arccos has done with the new link Pro. It addresses many of the short comings of the caddie link.  

Better microphones, don’t have to worry about it being covered by clothing, can more accurately mark pin locations, significantly longer battery life plus storage charger box, don’t have to worry about clip becoming undone and losing the link on course. Trust me, it happens. My initial reaction, was it’s about time and I clicked on to purchase, my first question was then how much?  But here are my concerns. 

Price at $225 us or $300 Cdn, plus shipping and tax, it costs more than the sensors when I originally bought them and still more expensive than current sensors. Hmmm.  I have 2 Caddie links (mine and my wife’s), so I should spend $350 Cdn (with taxes and shipping) and render my old links obsolete for a few added features. Hmmm, hmmm.  Plus continue to pay my $155us annual fee, plus most likely a new set of sensors as my current ones are 4 years old and the battery is not replaceable, triple Hmmm

Which got me thinking, I really like Arccos and I am a big fan of the data and have 400 rounds of data.  If Arccos was smart, they should offer a significant discount for existing link owners. Or am I better off, buying an iWatch instead or do I say nuts to the annual fees and opt for Shotscope, for roughly the same cost of the new Link Pro.  Has Arccos, inadvertently opened Pandora’s box by pricing it such that people are now looking at all their option’s.  So while a very nice an overdue upgrade, it’s something that should have been in place awhile ago, so my money is staying in my pocket. What are other people’s thoughts?

 

[GolfSpy_APH]

1 minute ago, Cfhandyman said:

I really like what Arccos has done with the new link Pro. It addresses many of the short comings of the caddie link.  

Better microphones, don’t have to worry about it being covered by clothing, can more accurately mark pin locations, significantly longer battery life plus storage charger box, don’t have to worry about clip becoming undone and losing the link on course. Trust me, it happens. My initial reaction, was it’s about time and I clicked on to purchase, my first question was then how much?  But here are my concerns. 

Price at $225 us or $300 Cdn, plus shipping and tax, it costs more than the sensors when I originally bought them and still more expensive than current sensors. Hmmm.  I have 2 Caddie links (mine and my wife’s), so I should spend $350 Cdn (with taxes and shipping) and render my old links obsolete for a few added features. Hmmm, hmmm.  Plus continue to pay my $155us annual fee, plus most likely a new set of sensors as my current ones are 4 years old and the battery is not replaceable, triple Hmmm

Which got me thinking, I really like Arccos and I am a big fan of the data and have 400 rounds of data.  If Arccos was smart, they should offer a significant discount for existing link owners. Or am I better off, buying an iWatch instead or do I say nuts to the annual fees and opt for Shotscope, for roughly the same cost of the new Link Pro.  Has Arccos, inadvertently opened Pandora’s box by pricing it such that people are now looking at all their option’s.  So while a very nice an overdue upgrade, it’s something that should have been in place awhile ago, so my money is staying in my pocket. What are other people’s thoughts?

 

Annual fee means I'm out. 

I'm just not doing the subscription models unless it's a simulator.

Not when there are systems like Garmin and Shot Scope that have no annuals.

[skraeling]

Had the original link but it was a giant piece of s***.  Never kept working for longer than a few rounds then would just stop detecting any shots.

while this is cool it’s too little too late too expensive for me.

do they really think this has better mics than my iPhone 13 does?  What reason would I have to get this.  Phone already stays in pocket.

i get a lot out of the arccos data, but part of me thinks when my sensors finally die I’ll just switch to shot scope.

[WaffleHouseTour]

I'm super intrigued.  I really liked the 2nd gen link - the black one.  Any problems I've had with it stem from a jacket hanging over it, typically in the rain; or getting it to stay clipped to my pocket - also in the rain.   I know there are some folks out there who apparently has some preview or beta versions - I'm curious how its done in a set of rain pants.  Not your typical shorts - but rain pants. 

[Play18]

On 1/25/2024 at 2:49 PM, Cfhandyman said:

I really like what Arccos has done with the new link Pro. It addresses many of the short comings of the caddie link.  

Better microphones, don’t have to worry about it being covered by clothing, can more accurately mark pin locations, significantly longer battery life plus storage charger box, don’t have to worry about clip becoming undone and losing the link on course. Trust me, it happens. My initial reaction, was it’s about time and I clicked on to purchase, my first question was then how much?  But here are my concerns. 

Price at $225 us or $300 Cdn, plus shipping and tax, it costs more than the sensors when I originally bought them and still more expensive than current sensors. Hmmm.  I have 2 Caddie links (mine and my wife’s), so I should spend $350 Cdn (with taxes and shipping) and render my old links obsolete for a few added features. Hmmm, hmmm.  Plus continue to pay my $155us annual fee, plus most likely a new set of sensors as my current ones are 4 years old and the battery is not replaceable, triple Hmmm

Which got me thinking, I really like Arccos and I am a big fan of the data and have 400 rounds of data.  If Arccos was smart, they should offer a significant discount for existing link owners. Or am I better off, buying an iWatch instead or do I say nuts to the annual fees and opt for Shotscope, for roughly the same cost of the new Link Pro.  Has Arccos, inadvertently opened Pandora’s box by pricing it such that people are now looking at all their option’s.  So while a very nice an overdue upgrade, it’s something that should have been in place awhile ago, so my money is staying in my pocket. What are other people’s thoughts?

 

@Cfhandyman, The Apple Watch with Arccos was better than Link v.2 for me, but I was not too fond of the battery drain on the watch and phone.  I would be willing to invest in the Link Pro if I can use the watch, and it minimizes the phone and watch battery drain.  The Link Pro and annual subscription cost will deter many people, but I believe the product is better than its competitors.  For us to continue to use Arccos, they need to innovate and improve each year to ask us to subscribe, and the new Link Pro will keep me around for the 2024 season.

[Cfhandyman]

41 minutes ago, Play18 said:

@Cfhandyman, The Apple Watch with Arccos was better than Link v.2 for me, but I was not too fond of the battery drain on the watch and phone.  I would be willing to invest in the Link Pro if I can use the watch, and it minimizes the phone and watch battery drain.  The Link Pro and annual subscription cost will deter many people, but I believe the product is better than its competitors.  For us to continue to use Arccos, they need to innovate and improve each year to ask us to subscribe, and the new Link Pro will keep me around for the 2024 season.

Thanks for this. The Apple Watch is one of my options, but the battery drain on both is a concern. The link v.2 plus phone have the same issues, I.e. must be fully charged for each round. I really like the Arccos data but I feel like I’m being nickelled and dimed to death and I can only use it half the year. Shotscope is looking better and better. 

[Play18]

40 minutes ago, Cfhandyman said:

Thanks for this. The Apple Watch is one of my options, but the battery drain on both is a concern. The link v.2 plus phone have the same issues, I.e. must be fully charged for each round. I really like the Arccos data but I feel like I’m being nickelled and dimed to death and I can only use it half the year. Shotscope is looking better and better. 

Although I am not a fan of the annual subscription fees, I have tried other golf training and GPS-type apps such as Golfshot Plus, 18 Birdies, Imagine Golf, and Leaderboard. However, Arccos works best for my needs, and I enjoy supporting the brand.

[GolfSpy_APH]

I wonder if Arccos would ever do a lifetime membership deal?

[Play18]

21 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I wonder if Arccos would ever do a lifetime membership deal?

I think lifetime membership is unrealistic for technology companies.  I had a lifetime TiVo subscription, which lasted only a few years before technology advances and copycat companies killed TiVo.  

Arccos's $150/annual price model is a significant barrier for price-conscious golfers.  The dilemma for companies is how much they can gain in subscribers (revenue) if they decrease their costs. 

[Indy_Oz]

Re $150/year Arccos subscription cost. 

Arccos periodically offers discounted gift cards. For two years now I’ve bought those discounted gift cards and applied them to my account to pay for annual renewal. That brings the cost down close to annual cost for 18Birdies premium fees. 

In November ‘23, I paid $109.12 instead of $150. 
After purchasing the gift card, they sent me a code for a pack of 5 free sensors too, so I have some backup sensors. Just had to pay $8 shipping for a pack that costs $89+tax and shipping full retail price.

Thought others might benefit from this. 

[Play18]

23 hours ago, Indy_Oz said:

Re $150/year Arccos subscription cost. 

Arccos periodically offers discounted gift cards. For two years now I’ve bought those discounted gift cards and applied them to my account to pay for annual renewal. That brings the cost down close to annual cost for 18Birdies premium fees. 

In November ‘23, I paid $109.12 instead of $150. 
After purchasing the gift card, they sent me a code for a pack of 5 free sensors too, so I have some backup sensors. Just had to pay $8 shipping for a pack that costs $89+tax and shipping full retail price.

Thought others might benefit from this. 

Let's help each other and post here when the discounts are available.  Thanks.

[Cfhandyman]

On 1/30/2024 at 12:04 PM, Indy_Oz said:

Re $150/year Arccos subscription cost. 

Arccos periodically offers discounted gift cards. For two years now I’ve bought those discounted gift cards and applied them to my account to pay for annual renewal. That brings the cost down close to annual cost for 18Birdies premium fees. 

In November ‘23, I paid $109.12 instead of $150. 
After purchasing the gift card, they sent me a code for a pack of 5 free sensors too, so I have some backup sensors. Just had to pay $8 shipping for a pack that costs $89+tax and shipping full retail price.

Thought others might benefit from this. 

This is helpful information 

2 hours ago, Play18 said:

Let's help each other and post here when the discounts are available.  Thanks.

Absolutely, you can get 15% of you use code BE15 from Sean Ogle at Breaking Eighty. Alternatively I’ve sent Arccos a request for discount for previous link owners. Not sure if it will work, but it never hurts to ask. What’s the worst they can say, No.