GregGarner Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, jlukes said: How the hell can a unit give you accurate carry distances or ball flight trajectory, direction and shape when it cannot properly read spin? spoiler: it can’t carry is measured, spin is calculated (not the other way around) -- so it's actually reading the carry distance but then it's trying to calculate spin based on all of the other measured variables (which is one reason why I hope the spin can be improved through firmware updates) cnosil and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Well, just another $600 machine that really won’t help due to inaccuracies. As I’ve said before, I don’t see how buying something that is so off on metrics that it could ever be beneficial to one’s game… I say grab a laser, and head to the range, zap some flags, and start knocking them down. THEZIPR23, null, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregGarner Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, PMookie said: Well, just another $600 machine that really won’t help due to inaccuracies. As I’ve said before, I don’t see how buying something that is so off on metrics that it could ever be beneficial to one’s game… I say grab a laser, and head to the range, zap some flags, and start knocking them down. Don't disagree with you there! Though my range only has 3 flags... JohnSmalls, GolfSpy_APH, PMookie and 1 other 3 1 Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, jlukes said: MGS review is up and they did a great job of making it sound better than it actually is. Need 16ft of flight (good luck getting a net big enough to allow that) Driver RPMs off by hundreds and iron and wedge RPMs off by thousands Sometimes reading fades as draws and vice versa? $600 gets you that? No thank you. To be fair, and I could be wrong. I think that 16 feet includes the 8 feet the monitor sits behind you and the 8 feet of flight into the net. granted that is still a lot of space. At least for me, I would never buy any of these units for indoor use. My use of them is 99.99% outdoors, .01 that isn't still hitting out onto a range but from under tented pavilion. So yes, ffor anyone thinking of using this or even the Rapsodo indoors, I'd give it a serous 2nd thought. JohnSmalls, GregGarner, cnosil and 2 others 5 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 49 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: To be fair, and I could be wrong. I think that 16 feet includes the 8 feet the monitor sits behind you and the 8 feet of flight into the net. granted that is still a lot of space. At least for me, I would never buy any of these units for indoor use. My use of them is 99.99% outdoors, .01 that isn't still hitting out onto a range but from under tented pavilion. So yes, ffor anyone thinking of using this or even the Rapsodo indoors, I'd give it a serous 2nd thought. One thing with this review that would be interesting to see is how it compares to the PRGR. I was just doing some warmup and swings in the net here at home and had it set up. Of course PRGR is a $149 or so and has it's fair share of misreads, however for ball speed, swing speed and carry it is pretty good. Clubs go within the distances I expect them to and the main misreads are on bad strikes. It also needs very little space. I also would love to hear more about the simulator settings and how that is working. It is bound to be better then wii golf! JohnSmalls, cksurfdude, ejgaudette and 1 other 4 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 53 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said: One thing with this review that would be interesting to see is how it compares to the PRGR. I was just doing some warmup and swings in the net here at home and had it set up. Of course PRGR is a $149 or so and has it's fair share of misreads, however for ball speed, swing speed and carry it is pretty good. Clubs go within the distances I expect them to and the main misreads are on bad strikes. It also needs very little space. I also would love to hear more about the simulator settings and how that is working. It is bound to be better then wii golf! Love my PRGR for speed training and to get a few reads on distances of well struck shots. Its not perfect, but serves its very limited purpose well. JohnSmalls, GolfSpy_APH and cksurfdude 3 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 56 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said: One thing with this review that would be interesting to see is how it compares to the PRGR. Yeah, agree - of your only looking, fur example, for "reasonably accurate" distances on all clubs .. especially partial wedges .. I'd also be curious to see if the PRGR is good enough. 2 minutes ago, ejgaudette said: Love my PRGR for speed training and to get a few reads on distances of well struck shots. Its not perfect, but serves its very limited purpose well. Ah ha.. posted my previous before I saw this - thx! GolfSpy_APH and JohnSmalls 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 4 hours ago, greggarner said: carry is measured, spin is calculated (not the other way around) -- so it's actually reading the carry distance but then it's trying to calculate spin based on all of the other measured variables (which is one reason why I hope the spin can be improved through firmware updates) Carry is measured if you are hitting balls on the course or at a range and it can track the ball the entire time. Carry is calculated if you are hitting into a net by factoring in ball speed, launch and and spin (which is also calculated/estimated most of the time) GregGarner and cksurfdude 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Would be interesting to know the relative error of hitting range balls outdoors vs gamer balls into a net on predicting the actual carry you would see at the course... Regardless, you are probably better off buying a $200 unit that only does ball speed, club head speed, and carry since those seem to be the most reliable on the R10 and all personal radars. Unless you want an upgraded OptiShot to play courses. Potentially have your draws shows as fades over the winter, then make some ill advised swing changes. cksurfdude and GregGarner 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amwolf90 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 18 hours ago, cnosil said: Try being a most wanted tester and seeing and trying equipment you can’t talk about because it is under embargo. Can you keep a secret? I dont think I will ever get that opportunity as I am in Australia, but a boy can dream. cnosil and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: Taylormade Sim 2 9 Degree (Project X HZRDUS Blue 70g 6.0) 3 wood: Taylormade Sim 2 Max 15 degree (Project X HZRDUS Blue 70g 6.0) Hybrid: Taylormade Sim 2 Max 3 Hybrid - 19 degree (Fujikura Ventus Blue 80g S) Irons 5 - PW: Orka RS10 CB (Nippon Modus Tour 120 Stiff) Wedges: Cleveland Zipcore 50 & 54 (mid), Callaway PM19 58 Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab 10s 34" Ball: Titleist Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I will be testing some ProV1 RCT's alongside @edingc when the balls arrive. For what it is worth, this is a fun toy for me that let's me play golf anytime. Yes it does not beat going out to the course but when time (and now weather since I have moved from SoCal to Texas) don't permit you to play as much as you would like, this is a great sim. Better than an optishot and not as much as a skytrak. Better than just bashing balls into a net with no feedback! Also, I noticed that hitting range balls at the range vs hitting a real one (yes I sacrificed a new Maxfli in the name of science!) shows a huge difference in measurements. Has that been verified by any other testing? GregGarner and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregGarner Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 13 hours ago, golfish! said: I noticed that hitting range balls at the range vs hitting a real one (yes I sacrificed a new Maxfli in the name of science!) shows a huge difference in measurements. Has that been verified by any other testing? I wondered about this. I was hitting some range balls and the numbers were wackadoodle. Then I was at a nicer course that has Titleist range balls (one of the Surlyn models) and the numbers were much closer to what I expected. I've also noticed a huge difference based on how much light there is. I have a lighted range not far from me and at night under the lights, it's fine. But one time I went at dusk and the lights hadn't really kicked on and the R10 really struggled. golfish! and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 8:24 AM, greggarner said: I wondered about this. I was hitting some range balls and the numbers were wackadoodle. Then I was at a nicer course that has Titleist range balls (one of the Surlyn models) and the numbers were much closer to what I expected. I've also noticed a huge difference based on how much light there is. I have a lighted range not far from me and at night under the lights, it's fine. But one time I went at dusk and the lights hadn't really kicked on and the R10 really struggled. Hmm that is interesting. I thought light conditions had nothing to do with radar based monitors? Could it have been some other factor? Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregGarner Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 8 hours ago, golfish! said: Hmm that is interesting. I thought light conditions had nothing to do with radar based monitors? Could it have been some other factor? That's what I would have thought too. And it's totally possible that what I experienced had nothing to do with lighting, just that it's happened a couple of different times and that was the first thing that came to mind when thinking about the differences in my sessions. Any physicists here that can help troubleshoot? Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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