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36 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:
So the alignment aid works for posture over the ball with the 3 lines being equal and no overlap (I tried to show in the sequence of photos) the middle line is normally white and the outer lines are custom colors. The middle line is lower in the insert (you can see this in the photo of the non metal face) so if it too toe up or down it will be under the outer lines. Hope that makes sense.
Total sense - I'm pretty sure I could have figured that out, but I have a tendency to over-complicate things like that, and thought I'd be better suited to having it spoon-fed to me, lol. It's a really smart invention - I know companies have toyed with things like this in the past, but it's a clever implementation.
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3 minutes ago, mikeanthony said:
With Sub70's pricing, you really can. I have an active listing for my G425 irons on eBay and with 22hrs remaining, the current bid is $680.
That's awesome. I wouldn't expect nearly as much for my Sim Max irons from 2020, but even a few hundred would soften any blow. I also have an Garmin G80 approach that I bought at the start of the pandemic that I've barely used - hopefully that together with the clubs would cover most of the way to a new set. Also, I've got at LEAST two kidneys and apparently you only need, like, one? I don't know - we'll see what I can score for that
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30 minutes ago, mikeanthony said:
In the 659 line - from easier to harder to hit - it's the CBs, TCs, then MBs. The lofts across all three iron heads are the same throughout, with the only real change coming in offset and forgiveness as you move through each set.
As for the tungsten inserts, you'll generally see those in the scoring irons from 7i (some may argue it should be 8i now) on down to PW/GW.
A popular miss across all handicap indexes and swing types is ball contact towards the toe of the club ... and with the scoring irons beginning to generally get progressively smaller as you move down the set, the tungsten insert is provided to keep some weight & forgiveness in the toe and to prevent the club from twisting (backwards) upon contact on the toe.
The reason one won't see tungsten inserts in the longer irons (generally speaking), such as 6i and upwards, is because the iron heads are longer/larger, and additionally to keep the iron head weight lighter ... so that one can swing harder. Not always the same reasoning from manufacturer to manufacturer, but it is the general premise.
But going from a GI to a cavity back/smaller profile iron would be the next step in one's game ... but not always. At the end of the day, to each their own, and as Cody said, best of luck on your pursuit. I'll add this, KJ Choi was known to game PING G400 irons when he was on the Tour and consistently finding himself on the first page of the leaderboard at events he entered.
Awesome explanation - thank you! I might have to sell the stuff I'm not using anymore (I mean, I should anyway) and see how much I can get for it to put towards some new gamers. Assuming it's a love affair, I can always offload my current gamers afterward and call it square (ish).
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2 minutes ago, edingc said:
Yes, I'd wager the CBs being more forgiving than the TCs by design.
For what it's worth, I demo'ed the 639 CBs way back in 2019 when I was looking to move on from Wilson C300s (game improvement irons). At the time I was probably a 15-20 handicap as it was nearing the end of my first full year of playing golf as a serious hobby before I started lessons that winter. The CBs felt really good and I didn't find them to be too hard to hit even for my skill level at the time.
When I played Sub70 last season I went with a 699/699 Pro Combo set and I was originally going to play 5-GW 699 Pro this year before getting my Hogan PTx Pros. (I actually still have the 699 Pros in the basement and they are needing to get to a new home eventually...) The 699 Pros are a really nice blend between tech/looks/forgiveness, but I totally understand wanting the forged goodness of the 659 series.
There's a fitter (relatively) near me who works with Sub-70 - I'm trying to find a day he's in my area (he travels around, apparently) so I can test out the 699Pro/659CBs to see if either is a good fit. Part of me wants to just take the plunge with a forged cavity back so that I can challenge myself, and ... the other part of me realizes it may be too early to do that, lol.
I know I can demo the CBs, and I'm leaning that way, as it's not a huge investment to do so (ultimately $20), and it would give me a pretty clear picture of yes/no as far as making a decision.
Those Hogans are beautiful, as an aside - really gorgeous clubs. You getting along with them?
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What an awesome experience! Thanks for taking the time to make this happen, and thanks to Daniel (and family) for getting you in there to show it to us. Can you explain a little further about the 3D alignment aid? Is the idea that the center line is visible when you're properly situated over the ball, or that it's hidden? I'm guessing that it's something like once it's centered between the outer two lines, you're in the "right" spot? For golfers who putt with eyes outside/inside the ball, is this maneuverable, or would they just need to adjust what they see as "middling" the line so they know they're in the "right" spot for them?
Really like the look of these things - fun stuff!
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I had a chat session with the Sub-70 customer support last week, asking about the differences between the CB/TC, and it was my understanding that the CB would definitely be the "easier" of the two to hit - more forgiving, more along the lines of a club that would suit someone like me (improving, but not improved, so to speak).
Is that either/both of your ( @edingc and @mikeanthony) impressions as well? The added tungsten seems to me to be "help", and would typically be in a longer iron, no? (as in the P790 having the speed slot in the longer irons but not the short ones?) Or is the CB just build with the forgiveness baked in, whereas the TC they drill out and add some tungsten?
Curious what the main difference in feel would be between the two, if any, and/or difference in forgiveness.
Either way - I think I'm definitely going to need to demo the CBs - they're just stunning, and it'll give me a pretty clear sense of whether or not they'd be worth the upgrade from my GI set.
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On 8/26/2022 at 1:15 PM, mikeanthony said:
Here’s some closeups of the 9i … it really is a beautiful club.
At the last photo of the club at address, you’ll see the inward notch I’m referencing.
Those are so much better-looking than I would have anticipated - better than the website pics, somehow. Can't wait to hear how they feel for you!
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10 minutes ago, Rickp said:
sure, going there for a friend, right
It's not HIS fault if his friend has the exact same lie angle and club preference he has. This is what friends DO.
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19 minutes ago, MGoBlue100 said:
MATI is another small Italian boutique putter company. I’ve been gaming one since I won it in a MGS contest a few years ago. I think they’ve had some traction on the European Challenge Tour, but no big name players. @GolfSpy Barbajo is pretty familiar with this brand
www.matiputters.com
Good lord that's purty.
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14 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:
So many putter companies! Wonder if there are any relatively unknown iron oems that may break through soon.
I've been whittling my own irons out of some hickory I found while on a hike. Taking a VERY long time, as I don't know how to whittle. They'll be on sale soon for $1,500/head.
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49 minutes ago, Middler said:
I suspect you're right they'd have better feel. I think I need more forgiveness than 223's, but I should at least hit them when I make my buying decision this Fall. Feel has always been a significant factor in choosing irons for me, and I'm not distance challenged (yet), but sadly my "game" suggests I need more and more forgiveness...
I'm in a similar boat - have always had forgiving irons, but as I'm improving, curious if a balance somewhere in the middle would be a better, happier round of 18 - something like the Sub-70 659-CB, maybe, or the 201s (without breaking the bank). Thinking about demoing the 659s to see if they're usable for a getting-better-little-by-little hack like myself
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Would you consider something along the lines of the Miz 223? Doesn't that have the benefits of forging with some added forgiveness? I've been pondering (strictly pondering, mind you - definitely haven't mocked up a set and have it in a cart anywhere, nope) the 201s from Takomo - very similar idea. Peter Finch actually just did a comparison - while the Takomos don't strictly-speaking hold up AS WELL as the 223s, even he admitted that they feel pretty amazing, especially when taking the price into consideration. Have you already hit the 223s and decided they're not for you? I haven't had a chance to hit them anywhere - might need to make that a priority as my search for "better" clubs continues
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13 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said:
I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to nit pick myself
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@Golfspy_CG2: here, let me get that for you.
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13 minutes ago, Middler said:
It could be. But it it's not more than glorified Top Golf with PGA stars, I think it will be a flop. But I'm not part of the key demo...
Look, if Barkley shows up to commentate and get drunk and fall of an elevated tee-box (like my favorite golf fail clip), I'm all about it. Does anyone here have any juice with Tiger, because I would legit like to see this happen. "I broke my leg, and it's turribull!"
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Okay, so the good news is, according to Mizuno's charts above, I should be playing either the 223, 225 or JPX Forged.
The bad news is that, according to Mizuno's charts above, I should be playing either the 223, 225 or JPX Forged.
I'll be right back - gotta go list a kidney on ebay.
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"Top players from the PGA Tour are committing to compete in at least 20 events starting next season, including 12 elevated tournaments that will have average purses of $20 million, commissioner Jay Monahan announced Wednesday."
Good lord - I guess that's how you try to stop the bleeding. Also, the PIP goes from $50 mill purse to $100, with winner getting $15 million (and rest of purse split amongst other 19 (up from the current top 10)).
It makes sense - top stars are being asked to only commit to 20 weeks, and 12 of those weeks will be purses of $20 mill - that's a huge uptick.Thoughts?
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I think it's a brilliant idea - execution will need to be spot on to garner the interest of non-golfers, but having Tiger at the forefront is never a bad thing. Seems like they're making this an "offseason" idea, which I think is smart, and it wouldn't surprise me to see some "celebrity guests" at some point (Steph Curry, Tom Brady, etc.), to help bring in fans of other sports, too.
If they can get it just right, I think it could be a super fun thing to watch.
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19 hours ago, cnosil said:
Make it all or nothing. The top 30 gets you into the final event and only 1 person wins anything and that is the winner of the Tour Championship. Everyone else goes home empty handed.
I get the feeling you watch a lot of Mad Max: Thunderdome
30 men enter, 1 man leaves.
I'm bummed Zalatoris won't be playing - such a likeable kid, and so fun to watch. I would LOVE to see Finau finally break through here, but no one deserves this more than Sheffler - the kid has been exceptional all year, it'd be fantastic to see him take this home. I just don't need to hear any more stories about him being "down home" and driving a 20 year old truck - someone please buy him a freaking Rivian or something so I can stop hearing the "Andy Griffith theme song" every time I see him
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1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:
Yeah, I think all those assumptions are pretty spot on. I'm going back and forth with our rep to set up a time to meet. Was supposed to be last week but he had to cancel. Also waiting on the heads for our fitting cart but no estimated arrival on those yet.
Mizuno did a chart last year and I assume they will with the new ones, showing each head on a graph from say least forgiving on the far left to most forgiving on the far right with both the Pro and JPX lines accounted for. I think it pretty much falls in line with what you mentoned above on offset specs and such.
This is fascinating to me - I didn't realize that the two lines had differing offsets. So the 223 would be for someone who likes as little offset as possible, while the JPX Tour/Pro would have slightly more? Is that catering to two different caliber players, or is it just preferential? As my swing has gotten more mechanically sound and my contact gets better, I'm noticing more and more the offset in my clubs (not BAD for me, per se, but definitely noticeable), and I'm curious if the "JPX" line, in general, caters more to a specific player than the MP line does.
In my fitting, I hit the 919 Hot Metal, and it was hands-down the best-feeling club I hit in that fitting, but it was just slightly out of my budget at the time, so ended up with the Sim Max heads, which have done great for me over the last two years.
It's pretty nerdy that I'm fascinated by this nuance, isn't it? You can say yes - I can take it.
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1 hour ago, SteveD said:
So you’re saying that the 160mph my R10 has picked up with my Lag Driver is theoretically correct in that I swung it that fast. But incorrect in thinking that would equate to a 160mph with a real driver? So I’d be able to swing a lag shot faster than the equivalent actual club?
I haven’t used them to increase speed, only tempo + contact. Although if you google lag shot and speed it does mention increased swing speed. Haven’t seen numbers on it though and I want using mainly for that. I just saw the speed numbers and got excited is all.
So someone, maybe you, mentioned that my numbers in addition to club head Speed indicated that my contact might be off? I’m new to all of this data stuff, what should the ratios be and how can I tell if they’re off/right? What should I shoot for?
Thanks all for feedback:help!
Not exactly. I'm not sure how accurate the R10 is - based on 160mph driver swing speed (if your "normal" is about 100, similar to mine), I would say that it's not accurate. When I use the LagShot driver, and hit it straight, were I to swing 160mph, the ball would go approximately 400 yards. That's not a joke. I can tell you authoritatively that a drive with the LagShot does NOT go 400 yards. Lol. It doesn't go 275 yards. It MIGHT go 250. So immediately I'm questioning what the R10 is picking up, exactly
I don't have any experience with the R10, but I do have the Garmin G80, which I understand has a similar radar-based system for measuring speed. I'm not sure how your R10 is giving you those numbers, but I would not trust those to be even remotely accurate, at least not with the Lag Shot (any of them, not just the driver, as you had a 150+ 7-iron, as well, which I'm not even sure is theoretically possible - maybe with a robot. Or Bryson
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If there IS an increase in swing speed, I would imagine it's related to the fact that the LS clubs are considerably heavier than a traditional club, so that if you got used to swinging those, your clubs would feel inherently lighter and you might pick up a few MPH of speed. But a few. Not 60+mph
I believe @cnosil was talking about your efficiency numbers (also called "smash factor" - a measure of club-head speed divided by ball speed) - if you hit a driver well, for whatever swing-speed you're swinging it, the BEST number you could post would be (I believe) a 1.5 efficiency rating. If you look at your efficiency numbers, the best number I see with your driver is "1.00". Now, that number is for sure going to skew low if it's reading the club head way faster than it's actually going, but with a swing speed around 100mph, and a smash factor of 1.45, your ball would be flying about 145mph, which would translate to (roughly) 250-275, with about 20 yards of rollout (again, these are ROUGH estimates). The R10 is showing that drive in particular as flying 137 yards, which is significantly lower than you'd hope (presumably).
For my money, I'd be worrying almost not at all about "speed", especially as you've mentioned you're just starting out, and make your goal consistent and excellent contact with the ball, with all clubs. Obviously, that's easier said than done, lol, but the Lag Shot is an awesome tool to help you groove your swing into something repeatable and that gives you great contact. Once you've got that part working for you (to, as you said, hang your hat on), THEN you can start trying to add more speed into the equation. Be careful, however, as adding speed can often negatively impact how you deliver the club - it's a balancing act, for sure
If you have any more questions, or if something above isn't clear, don't hesitate to reach out!
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23 minutes ago, SteveD said:
Gotcha, sorry about that. Idk, I just posted my data on here to get feedback on the lag shot as some folks here seem to be more knowledgeable on it. Looking for redeeming qualities in data to keep hope alive as is just starting out and looking for a (legitimate) “I do this well (enough)” stat to hang my hat on.
I would suggest, maybe I’m wrong, that you’d argue I haven’t seen a full benefit yet from it based on your ball speed comment? One of the goals or benefits is to hit solid shot from using LS right? So I’m off in something here?
As per @Samsonite, I’ve got some videos of 100 and 100+, but apparently (and this might explain it) the super high #’s didn’t pickup video wise? So until I find some of the videos, I’ll back off the claim that I’m a world record long-driver lol. Although if I’m around 95-100 or so with a lag Driver, maybe I’d be higher -decently high-with real driver club?
I actually think the club-head speed you're getting from any of the lag-shot clubs has almost no correlation to your ACTUAL clubs - the shaft is insanely whippy, and (in theory), the club head would be going way faster than a normal club would. Also, and this is my understanding from watching the training videos from the Lag Shot website, this is a tool that is in no way designed to help you swing the club faster. It's sole purpose is to get you to feel where the club head is, so that your tempo (not SPEED, but proper 1-2 tempo, whatever that is for you) is correct and you're delivering the head to the ball in the proper way. I don't remember one video where they talked about any kind of substantial speed increase, though of course I could have missed that part.
It's a training club designed to get you to have solid contact. I would be very, very wary of using them to attempt an increase in speed - the goal, again, in using them is to get great contact and solid ball-flight. If you have those two things with that very flexible club, it should, in theory, help you have better contact and ball flight with your regular clubs.
Good luck!
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2 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:
I get it. But everything on this site is related back to MGS's HQ,, even though the forum is operated and run by members like you and me, we still don't publish anything on the forum that the main site wouldn't---in regards to embargo dates.
I agree on the badge looks of each model. There is a slight difference I can tell in the Forged, but very very minimal, and most wouldn't notice it at first glance. The cutaways show a difference in the depth of the internal cavity, which is where I would assume the majority of the performance variances will be.
Haven't really seen any great comparisons of top line or sole, which is where you might expect the differences to be more noticeable.
There was one chart I was looking at yesterday listing the differences between the HMs, and the length differences was pretty stark between the regular Hot Metal and the Hot Metal Pro - I was actually surprised there was as big a difference in length (of head) between the two - almost 5 mm, with about .5mm top-line difference. The Hot Metal and the Hot Metal HL (high launch? - this is new for this year, right? slightly larger head than HM, with 2.5 degrees more loft - kind of love that they're doing this) are pretty close in size, with the HL being the larger of the two (minimally).
I'd love to see the top-line differences, though, especially at address, as .5mm seems pretty subtle, but the 5mm length difference would be quite noticeable. I wish I had the game/wallet to justify the "Forged", as to me those are just perfection.
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Wow. That's stunning. Well done.