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Maybe I'm just playing the devil's advocate here. If you're going to offer clubs in every loft, they should be on point. Better customer service would be checking them before they get sent out.

 

Offering to fix the issue by having them sent back is a nice gesture, but it's not practical. Most guys can take them to someone they trust and have them checked and bent to where they need to be. It's a big inconvenience for guys that have spent $2000 on them and would be without them for at least 2 weeks.

 

Still, good to see that they are making an attempt and I'm sure they'll have the kinks worked out quickly.

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Jbil I would agree if they had been paid for but these were free sets offered to do the testing with.  I think Hogan will have taken this issue on board and it won't happen again, as well as the fact there would be more than one red face in Fort Worth for sending clubs to a well known and respected tester such as My Golf Spy with lofts that were off.  I dare say their quality control department will be working over time to ensure it doesn't happen again to any one.  If I was a tester that had doubts about the lofts on my irons or a customer with the same doubts and had an offer from the manufactuer knowing they had a digital checker, it would be a no brainer.

 

I also am thinking that Hogan with their selling point "presicion is back" would want that reputaion confirmed in spades.

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Maybe I'm just playing the devil's advocate here. If you're going to offer clubs in every loft, they should be on point. Better customer service would be checking them before they get sent out.

 

Offering to fix the issue by having them sent back is a nice gesture, but it's not practical. Most guys can take them to someone they trust and have them checked and bent to where they need to be. It's a big inconvenience for guys that have spent $2000 on them and would be without them for at least 2 weeks.

 

Still, good to see that they are making an attempt and I'm sure they'll have the kinks worked out quickly.

 

 

I totally understand where you are coming from but like the previous reviewers said there were circumstances that probably led to this happening. The fact that they are willing to fix the issue speaks volumes because I could not imagine a Tmag or Callaway doing that for their customers. Yes they are expensive and yes it should not have happened but it did and they company admits the fault. Let's move on.....

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Just to comment on one thing here.

 

Since we are getting into the specifics of a loft/lie machine and calibration and so on (over most if not all of our heads I'm sure) let's leave the logistics of that out.

 

And let's just remember that my lofts when measured at my lessons were either dead on, or within a degree of the stated loft on every club except for the 61. It was off 2 degrees.

 

Now, I know that ideally we would all receive irons that are all on point loft wise. And maybe we (myself specifically) did. Keep in mind guys, loft and lie on club can and will move with impact. My fitter didn't think it was a big deal at all that they had moved, and actually said that he felt they were very much on point.

 

My point is this. Having two sets of numbers to compare (mine and Rookies) one was off (Rookies) one was on (mine) mine are now bent to the stated loft. Even though truly it wasn't necessary.

 

I think to focus on the numbers without considering the whole picture is just incorrect, and doesn't reflect the scope of the golf industry. I'd be curious to have someone else who hasn't had their lofts checked on their clubs take their gamers to have the lofts checked versus what they're supposed to be and report back with where they came in.

 

With that being said. Here's where I am with this. Having just had these all adjusted by someone I trust (and fully expect to be my fitter/swing instructor for the foreseeable future) and knowing they're on spec, I think I'm going to pass on sending them back. They were close enough to begin with, but as of now they're exactly where I want to be and I feel sending them to have them verified would just be redundant.

 

I'm curious to hear what other testers suggest.

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Back at MBrodeur -

 

First and foremost what the club feels like, looks like and performs like for you is all that matters end of story. 

 

Second and this is the crux of this entire thread what's the value of the product.  The fact is that you are going to shell out $1,500 plus for a set of 8 Hogans and no doubt more because you'll want your wedges from them too.  Let's just agree that they are great clubs.  The question is are the 1,250 better than the Wilson's that you are already gaming and playing well with?

 

Generally speaking though Hogan is not going after the guy who will find a set of clubs for $250.  They are going after the player who lays out 1,000-1,200 every other year on a set of nice forged irons from Mizuno or one of the other OEMs.  So the question for them is can than lure away enough of those customers to make a solid profit.  Only they know what enough is. 

 

I will try a Hogan middle iron at some point but in the end the max number of Hogan clubs that I would purchase would be 5 (more than likely 4 though if I were to switch.) 

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I'd love to see another forum members input on these clubs. It would seriously be awesome if one of you guys who are on the fence could get some swings in with some and give us a mini review. I'd like to hear another perspective for sure!

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Back at MBrodeur -

 

First and foremost what the club feels like, looks like and performs like for you is all that matters end of story. 

 

Second and this is the crux of this entire thread what's the value of the product.  The fact is that you are going to shell out $1,500 plus for a set of 8 Hogans and no doubt more because you'll want your wedges from them too.  Let's just agree that they are great clubs.  The question is are the 1,250 better than the Wilson's that you are already gaming and playing well with?

 

Generally speaking though Hogan is not going after the guy who will find a set of clubs for $250.  They are going after the player who lays out 1,000-1,200 every other year on a set of nice forged irons from Mizuno or one of the other OEMs.  So the question for them is can than lure away enough of those customers to make a solid profit.  Only they know what enough is. 

 

I will try a Hogan middle iron at some point but in the end the max number of Hogan clubs that I would purchase would be 5 (more than likely 4 though if I were to switch.) 

 

This just goes to show what is wrong with the sport to begin with. Do club makers need to put a premium on their equipment to justify them being good? We complain, we start blogs about the decline of the game as well as golfers in general, discuss the rising costs of playing golf YET we justify paying $2000 on a set of irons and say "oh well, they are Hogans so they are worth it". No equipment is worth that kind of money imo. I believe my Wilsons were $899 new - That's crazy too. If you or anybody else for that matter want to pay that kind of money you are certainly entitled to do so and I won't judge - not my place. I buy equipment on ebay because I have to, not because I want to. I can't afford or justify paying that kind of money and even if I could - I wouldn't. Golf needs to be affordable to the masses so that courses can stay open. We are losing the sport to greed. I am more than happy to buy a practically new set on ebay for 1/4 of the cost, if need be, take them to someone and get them adjusted. Still way ahead of the ballgame in terms of price - Still getting the same performance. No brainer really  ;)

 

As for performance, yes my Scor's are good clubs. I have no doubt from the reviews here that the Hogans are good clubs. From my experience, using the wedges vs my Wilsons, the Wilsons feel better. They just do. I don't want to mess with something that works. The Hogans are already popping up on ebay. Maybe when it's time to get new irons I will go that route. 

 

My bag is full of equipment that even 3 years ago I would have never dreamed of playing. My purchases have come strictly on reviews from awesome members like you Rev. This site has had a huge impact on my game. I just don't understand some of the logic in pricing from these guys as well as other companies. 

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Shot a 78 today with a weird issue going on with my thumb/wrist hurting. Not sure what I did, it was hurting when I got up this morning. I had to really roll my left hand strong to alleviate it to where it was playable. the hogans performed for me again. I putted pretty well today and had to get up and down a few times on par 3's, but I parred 5 of 6 (2 were up and downs, the other 3 I hit the green and 2 putted, one being a 6 foot birdie I missed that's the longest par 3 in the course at 205 I hit the 25 on. Only bad putt I hit was from off the green. Was a 60 footer with 25 feet of fairway between my tee ball and the green. I figured I'd lag it up and make the birdie putt. Fairway grass slowed it down a lot more than I expected. Looking back I should've hit a chip with the 53 or the 49 and rolled it up. Oh well. I did hit a lot of my targets and tee balls with the driver cost me a handful of strokes.

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@MBrodeur - Like anything they are worth what they get for them, not what we would pay for them.  I wouldn't pay $1,500 for a set of irons because I can't afford it - If I could I might but it's not really a relevant question for me to consider.

 

Your Wilson's are a good value for you - don't begrudge someone else another set of clubs because they've determined that's how they will spend their money.  That's capitalism, it's how the system works.  You are correct that it doesn't necessarily make your clubs inferior to their clubs but if someone has it and wants to spend it - that's his business.

 

Golf can be played at a wide variety of price points - You can go to second swing golf or ebay and pick up a set pretty inexpensively, play at the local par 3 for very little money and be a golfer - you can go buy custom Murias, reshaft your woods with $1,000 shafts, belong to a course with a 40K buy in and 25K a year dues - you're a golfer too -

 

I'm a homeowner, so is another resident in the Tampa Bay area named Derek Jeter - His Master Bedroom Suite is larger and worth more than my fairly typical 2,000 SF 4 bedroom/2 bath house.  I'm happy with what I have and so is he.  (I think he is at least.)

 

The secret is to be happy with what you have.

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Okay a question for Rookie and perhaps our other testers.  Are you having trouble deciding what club to chip with?  I run into that issue in a big way when I have my 44 SCOR in - when it's out NP I chip with the 48 or the 53 (the 60 if I'm in heavier rough.)  I get a bit confused with that third option.

 

Any comments or thoughts?

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Rev - no issues at all with chipping. I use from the 46 on down to the 58 depending on how much carry to roll I am looking for. I actually find it fairly easy to chip with the 58 which has never been something I was comfortable with. Still having issues from the sand but that is for another time.

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Rev, great point!

 

To answer your question I chip with anything ranging from a 49-61. Mostly the 61. I like to play a spinner chip that bites rather than a chip and run most of the time! But I don't have any issues at all!

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Okay a question for Rookie and perhaps our other testers.  Are you having trouble deciding what club to chip with?  I run into that issue in a big way when I have my 44 SCOR in - when it's out NP I chip with the 48 or the 53 (the 60 if I'm in heavier rough.)  I get a bit confused with that third option.

 

Any comments or thoughts?

 

My selection will depend on what I'm looking at. If I have nothing but fairway in front of me and the pin is in the back of the green, I will use my 55 or even my 51 de-loft them and hit low runners to the pin. If I've got an obstruction like a bunker or a hill in front of me, I will use the 59 and hit a high flop if the pin is close or a chip and roll by picking a spot I want to land it on and get it to roll up to the pin. 

 

I know my Dad use to use an 8 iron but I've tried and can't.

 

@Sschaffer24, read that and like you would expect - I don't agree with it. Here's why. How much does 1 company have to make? Seriously, how much? It's incredible. Microsoft makes millions almost by the hour while selling a dvd and a sticker for $149-$199 and than gets irritated when someone downloads a copy of it for free on the net. Why not sell the product at $50. You will make as much and of course there will always be someone who wants it for free but I would rather pay than take a chance and get caught. Bill Gates is worth so much money he could buy everything on the planet - twice! So how much does one need? Yes like Rev said, that's capitalism but maybe, just maybe capitalism is the problem.  

 

@Rev, I understand what you mean. It is certainly not my place to judge anyone with what they do with their money - that is their choice. I'm worried that we are all going to lose golf and golfers because of these ridiculous prices. People are just going to turn to something more affordable and when all the golf courses are closed, ask me again what I am really complaining about.

 

Sorry for hijacking this thread let's please get back on the subject. I do wish the guys and the Hogan company all the best with what they are doing. As you can see from my bag, I truly love to support the underdog whenever I can. 

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I hate to get totally off the beaten path here but you I know plenty of guys who are very good golfers who buy their clubs off the rack, never think twice about it and go out and shoot even. I know one guy like that who struggles to remember which hits the ball farther his G, W, L or S wedge. :)

 

Sometimes I'd like to wrap one of his totally misfit clubs around his head!

 

Oh and the worst part of it is that everything in his bag is at least five years old.

Oh the shame!  I'm going to have to go shopping.  My irons, as of last week, are five years old.

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No, no issues but I've also never had a primary club or clubs for chipping. I chip with anything from the highest lofted club in the bag to a 3 wood depending on what the shot calls for or what I want to do with it and course conditions. Our bent is dying on the home course (the greens are 30+ years old and packed tight regardless of how much they aerate and sand so the roots get very little flow. They were watering both by hand and with the sprinklers today to try and cool them.) so with that said, today lots of times I would carry it most of the way to the flag and used higher loft. Sometimes I'll chip with lower loft to treat it more like a putt. It just depends on the course, course conditions and what I'm feeling about the shot as to what I chip or pitch with.

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Thanks guys, my issue is that if you give me choices I sometimes will over think it. With my old set up it was simple, differening bounces meant the lie dictated the club. When I don't have my 44 SCOR in I have three choices from a good lie, long chip, 48, short chip, 53, lots of fringe 4 hybrid, rough, 60. No brainers because the face on the Wilson's are way too hot to chip with. Throw that 44 in though and I'm constantly second guessing whether its a 48 or 44. I think it's a me issue but was just curious.

 

MBrodeur I don't think you are thread jacking. Your comments cause us to think about value. That's important. I can over think my bag too, you are making me ask myself whether it's a want or a need to purchase Hogan irons when I currently have two sets of irons that I've broken 70 with sitting around the house. I have a third set thatI just put in the bag because I'm sick of looking at the C100's. So we will see how the Rocket Bladz do, I love those Aerotech i80s anyway.

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Small update here guys...

 

I played 36 holes over the weekend, and neither day was one of my better ball striking days. I hit my Hogans decent, but not flush repeatedly. But still managed two decent rounds.

 

My strikes were missing toward the low side of the face, and I ended up hitting a few shots thin because of that.

 

Here's the beautiful thing about this though. Time and time again while playing over the last two days, I would swing the club, mishit the ball, have a mini stroke because I expected to lose 10-15 yards of distance, only to see the ball carry and behave very simIlar to a well struck s***. The big difference would be the trajectory and lack of curvature on the thinner misses.

 

Man are these clubs forgiving. On two of my not so good ball striking days I still ended up with two of my better rounds of the year.

 

Wow!

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Were you fit for your prior set of irons? 

 

Ping I25's correct?  I've hit those, they are pretty forgiving, so this is a remarkable result to me.  Keep up the good play.

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My chipping runs with my 8 iron (35*), SCOR 50*, 54* of 57*.

 

I mostly chip with the 50 or 54, depemding wheter I am running or not.  I use the 57* for shots over bunkers or full shots from 60 yards out.

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