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2 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

Isn't providing a false narrative on tour players' stats over-hyping it a bit? I mean all we hear about on the broadcasts are how far these guys hit it, and how good they are from here or there, and what a great putter so and so is. What if the stats don't actually reflect these statements? What if, by providing actual player stats, the broadcast could also give context to the distance debate and course design? 

My point is that I just enjoy watching the golf and don't pay too much attention to the commentators.  I have occasionally looked up specific player and collective tour statistics when I have need for that level of detail.  I don't need the television screen overloaded with that information. The shot/putt tracer is a nice feature.

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16 hours ago, cnosil said:

There are people that believe there is a formula to playing top golf.  That is the whole essence of what Scott Fawcett teaches from a course management/decision/emotion perspective with DECADE.  For every shot there is a single answer on how to play the shot and where to aim based on what is in front of you.  Some people like him others don't; but for someone into stats,  he is an interesting follow on twitter and has some videos on the topic on youtube.   He is working with Lou Stagner and uses Shotlink data as a basis.   his system isn't complicated,  but people allow emotion to change away from the strategy.  

I will have to look him up.

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3 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

Isn't providing a false narrative on tour players' stats over-hyping it a bit? I mean all we hear about on the broadcasts are how far these guys hit it, and how good they are from here or there, and what a great putter so and so is. What if the stats don't actually reflect these statements? What if, by providing actual player stats, the broadcast could also give context to the distance debate and course design? 

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On 9/28/2020 at 8:58 AM, TR1PTIK said:

Isn't providing a false narrative on tour players' stats over-hyping it a bit? I mean all we hear about on the broadcasts are how far these guys hit it, and how good they are from here or there, and what a great putter so and so is. What if the stats don't actually reflect these statements? What if, by providing actual player stats, the broadcast could also give context to the distance debate and course design? 

Perhaps having the real stats in front of us might give us a better understanding of our own games, particularly in the area of expectation.  If we see that a touring pro is happy with a 21 footer from 150 perhaps we won't be so upset about hitting it in the fringe or if we start to know that he is only making 8 percent from 30 feet maybe we won't throw our putter the next time that we miss from there. 🙂

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33 minutes ago, revkev said:

Perhaps having the real stats in front of us might give us a better understanding of our own games, particularly in the area of expectation.  If we see that a touring pro is happy with a 21 footer from 150 perhaps we won't be so upset about hitting it in the fringe or if we start to know that he is only making 8 percent from 30 feet maybe we won't throw our putter the next time that we miss from there. 🙂

But I'm still going to be upset because I WANT to hit the green... I don't throw my putter though.

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7 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

But I'm still going to be upset because I WANT to hit the green... I don't throw my putter though.

I hear you. My GIR% is trash. 😩

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But I'm still going to be upset because I WANT to hit the green... I don't throw my putter though.
I think we all WANT to hit every green but I also think this is where managing expectations is important, and where tracking your own stats can be very beneficial. If you miss a green with a club you hit, for example, 75% of greens with, you probably should be a little disappointed. But if you miss a green with a club you only hit, for example, 35% of greens with, there's no point in getting upset.

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13 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said:

I think we all WANT to hit every green but I also think this is where managing expectations is important, and where tracking your own stats can be very beneficial. If you miss a green with a club you hit, for example, 75% of greens with, you probably should be a little disappointed. But if you miss a green with a club you only hit, for example, 35% of greens with, there's no point in getting upset.

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Well, I understand your point, but it is also a matter of perspective.  Do you get upset because you know that you normally hit the green 75% of the time IF you put a good strike on the ball, but you shank it?  I'm a little more than disappointed.  I'm upset.

I don't need to track my stats; I know which greens I can/should hit and can't hit.  I'm not the best ball striker, and I miss a lot of greens because some I can't reach with a 3W/hybrid unless I hit a perfect shot.  Yes, I'm disappointed, but I am also upset with myself because i know that I made par less likely.  I suppose it would be different if I could hit driver-iron into every par 4.

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