fixyurdivot Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Keeping this simple. I have the option to conduct my bag fitting indoors (studio environment using Foresight GC Quad) or outdoors on natural turf using Skytrac. Which would you choose and why? Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Keeping this simple. I have the option to conduct my bag fitting indoors (studio environment using Foresight GC Quad) or outdoors on natural turf using Skytrac. Which would you choose and why? I'd do GC Quad since it captures more metrics about that actual club. JohnSmalls and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, cnosil said: I'd do GC Quad since it captures more metrics about that actual club. I was wondering about that but honestly just not that familiar with pros/cons of the various LM systems. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I agree the Quad will give much more data that will help your fitting and really the only downside for inside is the turf interaction, but data about the club is worth it. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 another vote for indoors. you eliminate all of the possible weather related variables. i’d hate to come away from my fitting doubting my numbers because i was hitting into a 10 yard hurting wind fixyurdivot 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 If it was GCQuad or Trackman and outdoors, I would for sure pick outdoors. Want to see the turf interaction and real ballflight. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Are both of these options available at the same facility? If yes, do your fitting indoors with the Quad and then take whatever you settle on outside and hit a small bucket to make sure you're ok with how it feels off real turf. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGolf Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Id take the quad information over the other. too much of a difference. I like out doors just for the fact of being outdoors, sunshine and wind etc. Turf interaction is mental during a fitting. I get the idea of hitting of turf is more for when the ball is in a divot etc. however if you cant it well when the lie is perfect your expectation of needing turf to hit it when the ball is down is misplaced. pozzit, cnosil and fixyurdivot 3 Quote Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg Graphite Design XC 6S GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce Putter - Makefield VS LH Ball - truvis Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD. HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, McGolf said: Id take the quad information over the other. too much of a difference. I like out doors just for the fact of being outdoors, sunshine and wind etc. Turf interaction is mental during a fitting. I get the idea of hitting of turf is more for when the ball is in a divot etc. however if you cant it well when the lie is perfect your expectation of needing turf to hit it when the ball is down is misplaced. What about hitting the ball fat? On mats, I can get away with hitting fat, with the shot looking decent, but on turf it would have been terrible. HardcoreLooper and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 If LM was same it would be outdoors every time. I have a skytrack and wouldn't use it for a fitting. 11 minutes ago, dlow206 said: What about hitting the ball fat? On mats, I can get away with hitting fat, with the shot looking decent, but on turf it would have been terrible. You should be able to tell when you hit it fat. Whether it looks good on monitor doesn't matter. Chip Strokes and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 What about hitting the ball fat? On mats, I can get away with hitting fat, with the shot looking decent, but on turf it would have been terrible.The GC quad measures where the ball hits the face; fat shots on mats will show higher on the face. It isn’t about getting away with it. You know you hit it fat and the numbers will show that you didn’t hit it well fixyurdivot and Chip Strokes 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, cnosil said: The GC quad measures where the ball hits the face; fat shots on mats will show higher on the face. It isn’t about getting away with it. You know you hit it fat and the numbers will show that you didn’t hit it well That makes sense. I guess I have never had a proper fitting that went into that level of detail. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, dlow206 said: That makes sense. I guess I have never had a proper fitting that went into that level of detail. Not really a fitting thing; it is knowing how to read things on launch monitors. This is also an important skill. fixyurdivot and dlow206 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Skytrac outdoors? I know it's possible, but I didn't think it was recommended. Outdoors > Indoors, but GCQuad >>>>> Skytrac. Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 12:36 PM, cnosil said: The GC quad measures where the ball hits the face; fat shots on mats will show higher on the face. It isn’t about getting away with it. You know you hit it fat and the numbers will show that you didn’t hit it well So the TrueSpec Scottsdale is indoors and uses GC Quad. The Phoenix location is outdoors and uses Trackman. Both gather club face at contact data. In this comparison video, they both measure ball speed, launch angle, spin rate, and carry very closely one to the other. However, AOA and club path seem to vary quite a bit. To the extent this plays into driving fitting specs, that's a wee bit concerning. It begs the question "which is correct"? Trackman 4 v GC Quad | Head to Head | American Golf - YouTube I have the option of doing one or both fittings (woods & irons) at one or the other locations. I'm thinking perhaps woods at the indoor studio and maybe the irons outdoors. This may involve two different fitters; don't know for sure yet as I haven't spoken to them yet. With this new info, what are your thoughts? Would you still opt for the indoor...one fitter, one LM system...?? Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: So the TrueSpec Scottsdale is indoors and uses GC Quad. The Phoenix location is outdoors and uses Trackman. Both gather club face at contact data. In this comparison video, they both measure ball speed, launch angle, spin rate, and carry very closely one to the other. However, AOA and club path seem to vary quite a bit. To the extent this plays into driving fitting specs, that's a wee bit concerning. It begs the question "which is correct"? Trackman 4 v GC Quad | Head to Head | American Golf - YouTube I have the option of doing one or both fittings (woods & irons) at one or the other locations. I'm thinking perhaps woods at the indoor studio and maybe the irons outdoors. This may involve two different fitters; don't know for sure yet as I haven't spoken to them yet. With this new info, what are your thoughts? Would you still opt for the indoor...one fitter, one LM system...?? Watched most of the video and I personally would still go Quad; it could be that I am saying that because I am more familiar with the quad and believe that it presents accurate information. There are differences between both systems in how they measure data and they reading can be influenced by the club itself. as the reviewer in the video said, he would go quad. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/28/2020 at 10:20 AM, fixyurdivot said: So the TrueSpec Scottsdale is indoors and uses GC Quad. The Phoenix location is outdoors and uses Trackman. Both gather club face at contact data. In this comparison video, they both measure ball speed, launch angle, spin rate, and carry very closely one to the other. However, AOA and club path seem to vary quite a bit. To the extent this plays into driving fitting specs, that's a wee bit concerning. It begs the question "which is correct"? Trackman 4 v GC Quad | Head to Head | American Golf - YouTube I have the option of doing one or both fittings (woods & irons) at one or the other locations. I'm thinking perhaps woods at the indoor studio and maybe the irons outdoors. This may involve two different fitters; don't know for sure yet as I haven't spoken to them yet. With this new info, what are your thoughts? Would you still opt for the indoor...one fitter, one LM system...?? The AOA and path make sense that they would be different. The swing speed is likely different in the woods as well. This all stems from the fact that Trackman actually tracks the center of mass, not the club face (which is what Quad mentions). They have mentioned this on TXG videos before. This is also why driver smash on Trackman gets up to 1.50 or a bit more, but Quad is usually more like 1.42 to 1.45. Also I know spin can be temperamental at times with Trackman, it still is best if you put the dots on them though it reads without them (just know if any trackman measurements are italicized then it guessing a bit). I also would pick Quad still. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGolf Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 1:17 PM, dlow206 said: What about hitting the ball fat? On mats, I can get away with hitting fat, with the shot looking decent, but on turf it would have been terrible. Not all mats are created equal, I use fiber built which will take a fat shot, and it will been seen by the LM fixyurdivot and dlow206 2 Quote Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg Graphite Design XC 6S GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce Putter - Makefield VS LH Ball - truvis Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD. HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 I spoke with the fitter who runs the outdoor facility in Phoenix and, based on my specifics, he is recommending doing both fittings at the indoor facility. One of the key reasons is that I am not a heavy turf digger - doing fittings on real turf can be very important for those who throw heavy chunks of sod. The other reason is that part of my interest in this fitting is to see just how well my first ever LM fittings were done back in 2018/19. Since those were also done on GC Quad, it will be a better data comparison. Both fittings are scheduled the week after next... really looking forward to it. Thanks for the input everyone! Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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