SPY VIP Tony Covey MGS Posted October 19, 2011 SPY VIP Share Posted October 19, 2011 Just in for review are the new Callaway RAZR XF Irons. As a whole, we've done a fairly suspect job of covering the game-improvement, and super game-improvement markets, and these, along with the Adams A12 OS are part of the steps we're taking to change that. The RAZR XF are interesting to me for a couple of reasons. First, it's going to be impossible to ignore the $1299 sticker price. The RAZR XF basically signals Callaway's re-entry into the high end GI market. You may recall the FT Irons from 2008. Those were also $1000+, so clearly Callaway believes (and I tend to think they're probably right) that there is a legitimate market for high-end GI clubs. What's also interesting, and indeed unique, is the fact that the irons in the RAZR XF set are forged. While it's not a a written in stone rule or anything, general practice has been to offer forgings in better players clubs (cavity-backs and blades), but leverage less expensive castings in most of the GI products, and pretty much every Super GI club I can think of. Callaway is going in an entirely new direction here, and while I'm sure some will scoff at the idea (and the price), I can tell you with certainty that there are a number of older golfers, and younger exec types just breaking into the game that will take a serious look at these irons. To be sure these are Super Game Improvement in every respect. The heads are large (not the bulkiest we've seen), and even the hybrids feature an astonishing amount of offset. Top lines are thick, soles are broad, and the hybrids are, from top to bottom, extremely shallow. Even the stock grip (a proprietary Callaway Winn grip) appears careful chosen to appeal to the target market. Photos are of the 4H, 7-iron, and PW. As I said, this is a very unusual offering in the Super Game Improvement space, and we're anxious to hear what you think. MyGolfSpy is only major golf site that refuses advertising from large golf companies. With your support we can keep it that way. Donate Today Follow @GolfSpyT Subscribe to the MyGolfSpy Newsletter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agray88 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I think I threw up in my mouth a little... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP Tony Covey MGS Posted October 19, 2011 Author SPY VIP Share Posted October 19, 2011 I think I threw up in my mouth a little... The thing I have to constantly remind myself (and sometimes our testers) is that different clubs are designed to appeal to different markets. As a 4-handicap, I can see why these might not appeal to you. Hell, my handicap is much higher than yours, and there probably not in my wheelhouse either, but...for the beginning (or aging) golfer, I can see where the RAZR XF would have some appeal. MyGolfSpy is only major golf site that refuses advertising from large golf companies. With your support we can keep it that way. Donate Today Follow @GolfSpyT Subscribe to the MyGolfSpy Newsletter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xamilo Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 These "thin top lines" make the Ping G10 showels look like Miura Blades in comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skihippy Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 WOW and I had such high hopes for these. I love the look of them but I hate seeing such a thick top line and sole. This is the same reason that I can not stand looking at Ping irons. Whats in the bag: Titleist 910D2 10.5 Graphite Design Y7-S Adams 1600 proto 14.5 Graphite Design AD DJ Titleist 910F 17 Ust Tour Black Titleist 910H 22 Diamana Kali Adams Idea Pro A12 4-9 KBS C Taper Titleist Vokey SM4 46 degree w/ DG Spinner Mizuno MP R12 50-54-58 DG spinner Ping Redwood ZB Ball Nike 20XI-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agray88 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 The thing I have to constantly remind myself (and sometimes our testers) is that different clubs are designed to appeal to different markets. As a 4-handicap, I can see why these might not appeal to you. Hell, my handicap is much higher than yours, and there probably not in my wheelhouse either, but...for the beginning (or aging) golfer, I can see where the RAZR XF would have some appeal. I know what you mean. I realize that game improvement irons aren't meant to appeal to everyone's eye. I know a thick topline, plenty of offset, and thick sole are part and parcel with game improvement irons. But to me the backs of the Rarz XFs look built up like a leggo set. Almost stuck on as an afterthought, if you will. If I were in the market for a game improvement iron, I'd go more along the lines of a Titleist AP1 or an Adams a7 or CB2. Just my $.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saternus Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading of the press release indicates that the RAZR XF iron may have a forged face, but it is not a completely forged club, it is multi-material. Regardless of how much of this club is forged, the feel is very clicky/crisp, not soft at all. Follow me on Twitter: @MattSaternus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanoito Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I'm a beginner and I definitely dislike the top line and sole width! Let me throw up in my mouth as well SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0 Pro / H2NO Lite Cart Bag / 3.0 / NX7 Pro LRF My reviews: MLA Putter // Titleist SM7 // PING i500 // PuttOUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agray88 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Let me throw up in my mouth as well By all means, have a go at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy WD Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading of the press release indicates that the RAZR XF iron may have a forged face, but it is not a completely forged club, it is multi-material. Regardless of how much of this club is forged, the feel is very clicky/crisp, not soft at all. The Diablo forged was the same way for me. Worst feeling forged I've ever tried. IMO, these XF clubs also have the looks of a $300 set. @GolfSpy_WD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted October 20, 2011 SPY VIP Share Posted October 20, 2011 These look like SGI clubs. Funny how people always gloss them "shovels" and discount how they help a high hcp/new golfer. Then there are lots of threads on sites talking about the terrible player playing blades... The soles are wide, like every G series iron, but that is to help the struggling player. I bet these will test well. All that being the case, I hope the black color wears better than the Burner 2.0. Good iron, but the black started to come off immediately. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xamilo Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I'm sure the PW is legal to be played in a Cricket game! And the grips look as "good" as the Nike Dymo line ones Looks have nothing to do with the iron being "game improvement". Mizuno's MX-200/300 line targets the same market and the looks/thickness are just superb. Wilson Staff D Line is a good example of a decent looking SGI as well. The line Calawwy has gone with irons bettles Nike and the new Clevelands (which MGS just showed in the FAcebook page) as the worst looking irons or all time. Yes, the VAS are having a relief these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirslicealot Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Just recieved set of Callaway XF's yesterday. They look much better in person than the photos posted above. The topline is thinner looking at address than last years RAZR irons (I played those last season). The sole is wider than I would like to see but is invisible at address. My eye tends to be attracted to a more bladelike look (think Taylormade R11 Irons.....which has a thicker looking topline at address than the Callaway RAZR XF...BTW),but I found these irons to be very appealing. That is the the good news...the bad news is that I custom ordered a set from a golf retailer who I won't name but who's initials are TGW, and instead of the Callaway RAZR XF 3H, 4H, 5H, and 6I-PW, +1" graphite R Flex shafts, with a 2 degree more upright lie angle....what I recieved was a standard specs RAZR 3H and 5H (that is RAZR not RAZR XF, as in 2011 RAZR Hybrids), and standard specs RAZR XF 6I- SW. I was initially cheesed off about the set configuration screw up, then I realized they tried to give me last years hybrids, then I noticed that they felt a bit short and started measuring shaft length with my clubmakers ruler, and they are all exactly standard length. I don't have lie angle measuring device so I can't say they are not 2 degrees upright but most likely they are standard spec. So, either someone got lazy at the Callaway Custom Shop and just threw some sticks in a box and maied them off, or because I'm a Soldier stationed overseas, and hav to recieve my stuff via USPS, and the clubs had to be drop shipped to TGW then forwarded to me USPS.......someone at TGW took a shine to my new sticks and swiped them, and replaced them with the closest thing they could find and sent them to me. What makes me maddest is that someone thought I was too dumb to know the difference. TGW said they would fix it but for me the damage is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evs987 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I just bought a set of these. I like the way they look and much more importantly, I play very well with them. I just wish I could buy a 56 degree sw with 10 degrees bounce that matches this set and an 18 degree hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not geared to me, but they do not appeal to me in any way, shape or form. John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da555ve Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 not a fan of the look of Cally iron but i'm sure they are real marvel of technologies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoverRick Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 What a difference a day makes. I was originally put off by all the current offerings by Callaway. I am on record as saying they are too trendy for my tastes. Then I found out that I was soon to be the recipient of a Callaway driver and looked at their stuff again. Other than their Prototypes now called Musclebacks they have never made clubs that were visually appealing to me but they have always made clubs that were very functional. I played a set of Razr Tours on a trip to Vegas at the callaway center there and from the first tee I struck these clubs like they had been in the bag forever. I think I hit 8 of 9 greens and the one I missed was because I over clubed. So while this set is not for me it was not designed for me in the first place. G430LST 10.5° on T P T POWER 18 Hi Driver G430MAX 15° on T P T POWER 18 Hi Fairway ST190 18° on Graphite Design AD DJ 70S G425 22° on T P T POWER 18 Hi Hybrid i525 5-U on TGI 90S SM8 54 & 60 on Wedge DF2.1 on White ProV1 Precision Pro NX7 Pro All Iron grips are BestGrips Micro-Perforated Mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandwagon Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Played these for a round while down in FL for a winter trip. After seeing them on the course my opinion of them did a complete 180. While the look thick and clunky in pictures, when setting up to the ball I thought the two tone finish made them look sleeker. The stock shaft gets the ball up in the air quickly. While many low digit hdcps may not flock to these, I would think most golfers would benefit from what these offer. As for the hybrids, I have last years Razr X 21 degree, this years does not look all that different. It may have a touch more offset and be a tad deeper, but really not a whole lot in the appearance department. Just like the irons they get the ball up in the air with easy and they were plenty long for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP Tony Covey MGS Posted March 7, 2012 Author SPY VIP Share Posted March 7, 2012 Played these for a round while down in FL for a winter trip. After seeing them on the course my opinion of them did a complete 180. While the look thick and clunky in pictures, when setting up to the ball I thought the two tone finish made them look sleeker. The stock shaft gets the ball up in the air quickly. While many low digit hdcps may not flock to these, I would think most golfers would benefit from what these offer. As for the hybrids, I have last years Razr X 21 degree, this years does not look all that different. It may have a touch more offset and be a tad deeper, but really not a whole lot in the appearance department. Just like the irons they get the ball up in the air with easy and they were plenty long for me. We'll be posting the full review soon (probably today). I totally agree with you. They don't have huge low digit HC appeal, but for what they are (a Super Game-Improvement Iron), they're very, very good. MyGolfSpy is only major golf site that refuses advertising from large golf companies. With your support we can keep it that way. Donate Today Follow @GolfSpyT Subscribe to the MyGolfSpy Newsletter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandwagon Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 We'll be posting the full review soon (probably today). I totally agree with you. They don't have huge low digit HC appeal, but for what they are (a Super Game-Improvement Iron), they're very, very good. a big issue IMO is the huge price tag on them. However for what they are I think, like you said, they are a very good iron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP Tony Covey MGS Posted March 7, 2012 Author SPY VIP Share Posted March 7, 2012 a big issue IMO is the huge price tag on them. However for what they are I think, like you said, they are a very good iron. Absolutely the price ($1300 steel, $1400 graphite) is going to make some wince, and others run away screaming like little girls. But, as most would agree, golf clubs are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them. I don't mind the price point of the XF for a couple of reasons. First, it's a two-piece forging, and while we can argue about perceived feel vs. actual feel, the one thing most of us will agree on is that forged SGI irons are among the rarest of all breeds in the golf industry. The expectation should be that they will command a premium price. Second...I love that Callaway has jumped back into the high-end game-improvement market. It's where, to an extent, the company made its bones. Given the turmoil the company has found itself in of late, returning to its roots is something I view as a positive. MyGolfSpy is only major golf site that refuses advertising from large golf companies. With your support we can keep it that way. Donate Today Follow @GolfSpyT Subscribe to the MyGolfSpy Newsletter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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