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2 hours ago, Rob Person said:

@ZoonORama I like the idea of using a target tee vs an actual cup! It may seem to alleviate some on camera pressure i feel. I'll post my vids and first impressions up shortly. 

Aim small, miss small. But yes, it allows for a more precise aim point. Decidedly, most of the rolls I did would have easily dropped had there been a cup. At least, that is what I think given the accuracy.

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25 minutes ago, Preeway said:

So I was getting in some putting practice and comparing my Bettinardi and Odyssey side by side when I noticed some differences in outcomes and decided to record them and share. For this first test I was comparing outcomes from 6' and 10' with center contact and off center contact nearer the toe. To get as similar as I could with my strokes on each putt I spent several minutes dialing in my length of stroke and trying to repeat both the stroke length and tempo as best I could. 
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For the 6' putt my backswing went back to the black line behind the putter and the follow through went just past the light blue line in front.
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My off center strike wasn't overly exaggerated but I wanted it to be as realistic as I could with what a mishit might look like.
I took the same approach with my Odyssey as shown below.
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The results weren't egregious but still quite noticeable.
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I attempted three putts from each distance with each variation in putter strike position to show what I was already seeing after practicing for about 20 minutes. The first series were center strikes with the Bettinardi. All finished about 20"-22" past the hole marked on the mat. 
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The second series were made with off center strikes with the Bettinardi and all three finished about 6" past the hole. While I was clearly able to make three identical swings with each strike location, it was clear just how much an off center strike impacts the putt with the Bettinardi.
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The third series was with the Odyssey from 6' with a center strike. These all finished 16"-20" past the cup.
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The fourth series were again from 6' with the Odyssey and all finished 10"-18" behind the cup. The ability to get similar results with a center and off center strike was very clear and obvious albeit with a very small sample size.

The same test was performed from 10' with similar putter positions. The backswing went about as far back as the back of the white circle around the backwards E. The follow through went about as far forward as the the light blue line.
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The results...

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From 10' the Bettinardi center strikes made it past the hole and finished 3"-20" away. With the toe strike all three finished short of the hole and were 1"-12" away. This is my most common mishit on the course but I managed to avoid any PTSD from having to relive these results 😂.

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The results with the Odyssey were highly encouraging. All three center strikes finished past the cup and were 8"-12" away. All three of the toe strikes were shorter than the center strikes but none of them were short of the hole. In fact, all three finished on the cup. Perhaps this will be the putter to end the worst of all my nightmares? Could this be my knight in shining armor? While this was a mere indoor test for comparative purposes, my hopes are high I have found a new putter for my bag. I am very eager to get outside next week and do some more testing.

On a mores serious note, I did notice in the pictures that my stance was closer to the ball with the Odyssey than the Bettinardi. I feel like this difference, while not great but still significant, is going to play a role in determining whether the Odyssey is a better fit for me. Will have to do some testing with my putting mirror next to see how my posture compares with the two putters.

I love the promise of those early results!  

it looks like putt for putt the bettinardi goes longer on center strikes, which probably has to do something with milling and AI, but it reminds me a lot of what Evnroll states where the center strikes transfer less energy because of the face design, so off center hits have less milled out to get relatively consistent ball speed. 

That was along way of getting to ask the question of do you notice any difference in feel on the various strikes?  Does it feel softer than you expected?  

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1 minute ago, GolfSpy BOS said:

I love the promise of those early results!  

it looks like putt for putt the bettinardi goes longer on center strikes, which probably has to do something with milling and AI, but it reminds me a lot of what Evnroll states where the center strikes transfer less energy because of the face design, so off center hits have less milled out to get relatively consistent ball speed. 

That was along way of getting to ask the question of do you notice any difference in feel on the various strikes?  Does it feel softer than you expected?  

I can definitely feel a toe strike with the Bettinardi compared to a center strike. With the Odyssey I would say I can still feel the difference but it is barely noticeable. I like this a lot as I tend to be a feel-sy kind of putter and I can see my confidence staying high if I'm having one of those days where my stroke is a little off. I also think I will be able to have more confidence on those really long putts (50 feet or more) if I know in advance that I will be able to get solid contact even if my longer swing gets me a little off center.

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12 hours ago, Preeway said:

I can definitely feel a toe strike with the Bettinardi compared to a center strike. With the Odyssey I would say I can still feel the difference but it is barely noticeable. I like this a lot as I tend to be a feel-sy kind of putter and I can see my confidence staying high if I'm having one of those days where my stroke is a little off. I also think I will be able to have more confidence on those really long putts (50 feet or more) if I know in advance that I will be able to get solid contact even if my longer swing gets me a little off center.

Sounds like it has created some forgiveness in the face on off center hits.  

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11 minutes ago, Josh Parker said:

Sounds like it has created some forgiveness in the face on off center hits.  

Interestingly, I'm a little worried now about trying to hit putts on the toe when I want to hit one dead when its a short downhill putt. 

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5 minutes ago, Preeway said:

Interestingly, I'm a little worried now about trying to hit putts on the toe when I want to hit one dead when its a short downhill putt. 

Only one way to find out... ha  

I'm not super surprised that forgiveness is a factor in newer putter technology.  Every other club has created it with a lot of ease it seems.  

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6 minutes ago, Josh Parker said:

Only one way to find out... ha  

I'm not super surprised that forgiveness is a factor in newer putter technology.  Every other club has created it with a lot of ease it seems.  

Every off center hit…

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14 hours ago, Preeway said:

So I was getting in some putting practice and comparing my Bettinardi and Odyssey side by side when I noticed some differences in outcomes and decided to record them and share. For this first test I was comparing outcomes from 6' and 10' with center contact and off center contact nearer the toe. To get as similar as I could with my strokes on each putt I spent several minutes dialing in my length of stroke and trying to repeat both the stroke length and tempo as best I could. 
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For the 6' putt my backswing went back to the black line behind the putter and the follow through went just past the light blue line in front.
6BettOff.jpeg.b01afd129ca1bbfa9ce83a1df5637c6e.jpeg

My off center strike wasn't overly exaggerated but I wanted it to be as realistic as I could with what a mishit might look like.
I took the same approach with my Odyssey as shown below.
6AiSq.jpeg.cbc30a21badbf3c3b435165d024952b0.jpeg6AiOff.jpeg.ed49d623cd08a9a34bd37b07cad2254b.jpeg

The results weren't egregious but still quite noticeable.
6BettSqRes.jpeg.04fc65e41b44b610296d6a1c2f65af5b.jpeg

I attempted three putts from each distance with each variation in putter strike position to show what I was already seeing after practicing for about 20 minutes. The first series were center strikes with the Bettinardi. All finished about 20"-22" past the hole marked on the mat. 
6BettOffRes.jpeg.7356257d062f2f49df9b07812304e7dc.jpeg

The second series were made with off center strikes with the Bettinardi and all three finished about 6" past the hole. While I was clearly able to make three identical swings with each strike location, it was clear just how much an off center strike impacts the putt with the Bettinardi.
6AiSqRes.jpeg.e06f1a901f3688faff642b0d632f4316.jpeg
The third series was with the Odyssey from 6' with a center strike. These all finished 16"-20" past the cup.
6AiOffRes.jpeg.9037312dd059d7fa8645c808333d59d0.jpeg

The fourth series were again from 6' with the Odyssey and all finished 10"-18" behind the cup. The ability to get similar results with a center and off center strike was very clear and obvious albeit with a very small sample size.

The same test was performed from 10' with similar putter positions. The backswing went about as far back as the back of the white circle around the backwards E. The follow through went about as far forward as the the light blue line.
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The results...

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From 10' the Bettinardi center strikes made it past the hole and finished 3"-20" away. With the toe strike all three finished short of the hole and were 1"-12" away. This is my most common mishit on the course but I managed to avoid any PTSD from having to relive these results 😂.

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The results with the Odyssey were highly encouraging. All three center strikes finished past the cup and were 8"-12" away. All three of the toe strikes were shorter than the center strikes but none of them were short of the hole. In fact, all three finished on the cup. Perhaps this will be the putter to end the worst of all my nightmares? Could this be my knight in shining armor? While this was a mere indoor test for comparative purposes, my hopes are high I have found a new putter for my bag. I am very eager to get outside next week and do some more testing.

On a mores serious note, I did notice in the pictures that my stance was closer to the ball with the Odyssey than the Bettinardi. I feel like this difference, while not great but still significant, is going to play a role in determining whether the Odyssey is a better fit for me. Will have to do some testing with my putting mirror next to see how my posture compares with the two putters.

Awesome test results! Glad to see you are seeing similar patterns that I did with my first pokes. I honestly expected to be disappointed by the claims or even a “meh” from this putter but I have been VERY surprised by my initial results. Of course, I am comparing it to a putter that is as old as time itself. 

I did think it was much hotter at 6’ compared to the other putter, especially in off center hits. I don’t know why or how, maybe it’s just AI magic. Don’t really care as long as it performs.

Great write up and looking forward to more! Thank you! 

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Hey all. Today was the day I bagged the Ai-One for a round...involving money 😲.  I was hemming and hawing yesterday about pulling the Evnroll for men's league (individual stableford and skins) but chose to stick with the ER5v.  No way of knowing if the Odyssey would have done better but I putted really good and took 4th place in my flight with a 77 gross and 31 putts.

But in the bag it went for today's group matches and it performed very well.  Not as good a day scoring (81) but had 32 putts.  I really feel good about this putter and that it seems to fit my putting style well.  I guess that's not too surprising since it is a very similar design to the ER5v. It looks awesome at address and my confidence level with it is every bit as high as my current gamer. I kind of expect my strokes gained H2H putting test is going to be a split decision.

As I mentioned in my introduction, I will be using a test format that the MGS Lab uses.  Putt lengths will be from 5,10 and 20 feet; recording how many putts to hole each ball.  The only difference is that my test will be from five locations equally spaced around the hole.  I just feel this reduces the amount of "path memory" that we have all experienced after rolling ball after ball from the same spot.

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I should be able to carve out some time tomorrow to get the 5 and 10 foot test groups done.  It gets a little harder doing the 20 foot group as I pretty much need the practice green empty of nearly so.  These are fun tests to do and I'm really looking forward to see what the results show.

So which one are you putting your money on?  Which putter will grab the top spot in strokes gained tests? 😊

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At home with the putters today….set up the putting mat and did gate/yardstick restingIMG_7747.jpeg.c96ea49cee05fb3b64b445d3c58afe5e.jpeg…object of the game was to roll the ball thru the gate (two shoe polish buffing pads) (about 2” gap) on the yardstick full distance….good roll, thru the gate and over half the yardstick (18”) before rolling off the side ; better roll, thru the gate over 24” along the stick before rolling off the side; best roll - thru the gate and goes the distance…also added the DF 992 into the mix.  IMG_7750.jpeg.a468a7f7dd4611edd9721262f3050126.jpegResults were interesting to say the least…let’s just say the oldest technology held its own…alas the plot thickeneth…..

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Today I completed the first of 3 putting test rounds.  Five balls at five stations from 5, 10, and 20 feet, using both putters. That will give me 225 total putts from each putter for the strokes gained assessment.  

When I drove over to our Granite Falls North practice area, it was awash in people, so I drove over to the south practice green.  I was able to complete the 5 and 10 foot groups but getting out to 20 feet proved a challenge. 

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I had left my notepad with test matrix at home but improvised using a scorecards - this one for the Odyssey test set 😊.

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On my way back home I noticed the GFN area was a ghost town... then it dawned on me... shotgun start at 1230. Mental note to self for future use of practice areas 👍.

Overall, both putters were working well... so clearly it must be "the arrow", not the archer in this case 🤣. I really do like the at address look of the putter.  There is something visual about these "talons" (some call them "fangs") style designs that just works for me. I think it helps with alignment.  And, the folks at Odyssey have really nailed it with the set of three alignment lines.

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  Here's a clip of the Seven T CH filling the cup from one of the 5 foot positions. 

I once again tried to evaluate the "across the face/insert" forgiveness aspect of the putter but I am just not seeing a discernable pattern.  I wish the folks at Odyssey or an independent lab with a putting robot would do a test that helps demonstrate this AI advantage.  Evnroll did do a test like this to demonstrate their groove technology. I believe that to be the level of control needed to really see what the Odyssey putter and this technology offers.  I've searched for any putting robot tests with Ai-One Milled (or Ai-One) and have not found anything... if anyone does, please share.

I did run across this video while searching and it does a great job discussing and demonstrating the Ai technology in both the "milled" and "white hot" versions.  Shamless plug, Chris McCormick at TrueSpec did my fitting back on 2019.  Super nice guy and knows his craft well.

So over the next week or two, I'll try and complete my putting tests and summarize the findings. 

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Just completed my second set of H2H tests... only 150 putts to go 😆

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Checked the total weight of both putters and they are pretty close.  The Seven T CH is 544 grams and the ER5v is 562 grams.  The OEM specs are 360g for the Odyssey and 365g (with the 34" shaft) for the Evnroll.

Interestingly, when I first held the putter I thought it seemed lighter than my gamer... come on, way I can discern ~20 grams 🤪.

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I also checked the toe hang and, as hoped, they are alike... both spec at 22 degrees.  

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Hopefully the other testers are getting some better weather for outdoor testing... we're a bit spoiled here in AZ.

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Still looking for any information on robot tests on the Ai-One putters and came across this article by Johnny Wunder.  It provides some additional insights from Callaway's R&D folks and the process used getting to the final insert cross-sections (which did include robot tests).  "Doppleganger"... that's a word/term we don't see very often 🙂.

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What is Ai-One?

Callaway Golf is the industry leader in Ai technology and its relation to golf performance. Now, for the first time, we applied that tech to the Odyssey Golf platform with one goal in mind: CONSISTENT BALL SPEED.

“Tour players miss the center all the time! One of the biggest things we worried about throughout this project was if Tour players would resonate with an insert that helps with mishits. Last year, we incorporated a new Odyssey putting studio on our PGA Tour truck, and through that, we now have a significant amount of data showing that, yes, Tour players miss center often – even on putts as short as 10 feet. And more than that, Tour players know they miss the center and are interested in anything that may make those mishits a little better. Those mis-hits get substantially more once you get to the 30 feet range. When that ball speed goes awry due to mis-hits, it becomes the difference between a 6-footer for par Vs. a 4-footer for par. The stats tell us that 1-2 feet more is a BIG DEAL.“

Eric Stubben Odyssey R&D

It’s a funny thing to consider…ball speed in a putter, but it’s a thing. Think of it like this: what happens when you mis-hit it? Well, for one, the ball may go sideways, but the main culprit is the LOSS of ball speed. It happens to ALL of us.

What does Ai-One do?

Consistent Ball Speed Across the Face…simple as that. Using Ai technology to track strike patterns from TOUR, Consumer, and Robots, Odyssey R&D was able to determine where on a putter face most strikes happen and what happens when the strike is off. Once that is determined, Odyssey R&D developed a face that doppelgangers heel and toe strikes to perform and roll just like the flushers. What that adds up to is mitigating the ball speed loss out of the toe and heel and maximizing roll out of the middle… It sounds a little like a Paradym Driver.

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It makes sense that the degree and freqency of mishits gets proportionally worse on the really long lags.  We're all taking the putter back way further and bringing it back to center strike gets more challenging.  I'm going to add some 30 foot putt tests to my matrix, toe/center/heel, and see if that shows any improvement over the ER5v.

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I had to look at the article to understand the charts posted above. Makes more sense now. I can confirm that even with a toe/heel strike the impact on the face of the white hit does actually roll faster then a center hit.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Still looking for any information on robot tests on the Ai-One putters


are these what’s are looking for? 

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Milled Testers…have you seen any signs of wear/discoloration on your Ai-ONE putters?  A coupe of testers in the insert group have started to see some already, wondering the other group was seeing similar things.

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6 hours ago, cnosil said:


are these what’s are looking for? 

@cnosil... UDAMAN!! 👏  I guess I either need a different browser, turn off safe mode, or go take a class on interwebz searching 🤣.  Yes, that's exactly what I was hoping to find.  I would have loved to set-up a test like that... harkens my days now long in the rearview mirror.  How compelling is that test data?  That's quite impressive.  No marketing hype here, just good old solid engineering 😍.

I just played my 3rd round today with the Seven T CH and it felt and performed great.  32 putts 👍.

Also, today while waiting for another player to putt, I was looking at my insert face and saw a little reddish colored mark in dead center.  I thought maybe I had smashed a gnat.  Tried wiping it off with my finger... no dice.  I just noticed this on the video 😊.

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17 hours ago, TJ Hall said:

Milled Testers…have you seen any signs of wear/discoloration on your Ai-ONE putters?  A coupe of testers in the insert group have started to see some already, wondering the other group was seeing similar things.

That would be a negative for me. I haven’t seen any marring or wear/discoloration of the face at all. I would imagine the gold-ish color of the face insert may start to wear over time. I have only putted maybe a 200-300 times so far with this one. 

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Update on Performance and Feel of AI Milled Putter…..

My first observations of the AI putter were pretty dramatic. So, I thought I might spend some time with my older putter(s) and just get some practice in before switching back to compare again. You know, the honeymoon syndrome with new equipment.

After a few days of ignoring the new putter, I started putting again today on an indoor mat (snowing here so outdoors is off the table currently).

I thought I would record my first few shots with the AI putter after a few days of not even holding it.

As you can see. No issues whatsoever. I also watched a few new YouTube videos (posted earlier in this thread) about distance testing of the new putter. I have to say, this was something that I noticed on the first day of putting with it.

The sound and feel are still new to me. It sounds hard but feels soft. Weird. And after a few days of putting with my old White Hot insert putter and another old YES! putter, the feels are very different.

I think the sound is the biggest difference for me.

Does the sound of a putter influence your desire to hit it?

Just curious how you feel about that. I think an obvious “tink” or “ping” sound would be too much for me to tolerate, but this solid click seems alright.

Cheers ⛳

 

 

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3 hours ago, ZoonORama said:

That would be a negative for me. I haven’t seen any marring or wear/discoloration of the face at all. I would imagine the gold-ish color of the face insert may start to wear over time. I have only putted maybe a 200-300 times so far with this one. 

I think Rob and @TJ Hall were referring to the PVD colored finish of the clubhead itself - not so much the titanium face.  

1 hour ago, ZoonORama said:

I think the sound is the biggest difference for me.

Does the sound of a putter influence your desire to hit it?

Just curious how you feel about that. I think an obvious “tink” or “ping” sound would be too much for me to tolerate, but this solid click seems alright.

It does sound different than my solid face putter, but not in a bad way.  I guess I've not tried enough putters to know whether one would produce a sound that I'd dislike. What I notice as much or more that sound is the more springy feel. 

I have no accurate way of comparing but I'd love to know roll distance of my Evnroll vs. the Odyssey with a controlled strike force. I'm thinking the Odyssey has a slightly hotter face.

 

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50 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

I think Rob and @TJ Hall were referring to the PVD colored finish of the clubhead itself - not so much the titanium face.  

It does sound different than my solid face putter, but not in a bad way.  I guess I've not tried enough putters to know whether one would produce a sound that I'd dislike. What I notice as much or more that sound is the more springy feel. 

I have no accurate way of comparing but I'd love to know roll distance of my Evnroll vs. the Odyssey with a controlled strike force. I'm thinking the Odyssey has a slightly hotter face.

 

I haven’t had any finish issues at all on the putter. Of course, I haven’t taken it in/out of the bag 40-50 times either. The PVD finish seems pretty durable. I would imagine it may chip or scratch if rattling around against other sticks.

I agree with your assessment. The face on the AI putter definitely seems hotter. I especially noticed this at the 6’ mark for sure. Nothing short at all.

Appreciate the feedback on sound too. The “click” is somewhat satisfying but it doesn’t fit the “feel” of the putter. Like watching someone sing where the voice just doesn’t look like it should match the person. Odd.

 

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On 11/28/2023 at 8:40 AM, fixyurdivot said:

Hey Jamie. I was with my neighbor this past summer at a local golf store helping him pick out some new grips (and showing him how to install using compressed air).  While there, we tried some of the putters on the putting green and it was the first time I tried Odyssey's.  I rolled the "2 Ball" and a model that looked alot like my Evnroll ER5v (I think it was the older Seven T?).  Both rolled putts nicely but I just can't get past the look of the 2 Ball 🫣

As you may recall, I had a bag fitting at TrueSpec in 2020 and was moved away from my Ping B61 into a mallet-style, high MOI design.  My testing of the ER5v against my B61, using a structured SG format, showed an improvement. So, as hard as it was to bench my 30+ years in the bag Ping, I followed the data and it has proven true on the course.  

So now I get to see if the Odyssey AI-Milled One Seven T CH can outperform my ER5v.  They are very similar in design and a design I was fitted too.  Much like Evnroll's unique (even-roll across the face) groove design, the AI face technology in Odyssey's new line of flat sticks is intriguing.  I'm really excited about having been chosen for this product review and can't wait to get started.  If anyone has questions or would like something included in the testing, let me know on thread or the new "Members Testing Q&A thread.

Thank you so much to the folks at Odyssey and MGS staff for the opportunity!! 👏

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

I think Rob and @TJ Hall were referring to the PVD colored finish of the clubhead itself - not so much the titanium face.  

It does sound different than my solid face putter, but not in a bad way.  I guess I've not tried enough putters to know whether one would produce a sound that I'd dislike. What I notice as much or more that sound is the more springy feel. 

I have no accurate way of comparing but I'd love to know roll distance of my Evnroll vs. the Odyssey with a controlled strike force. I'm thinking the Odyssey has a slightly hotter face.

 

I'm very curious about how the finish holds up. The ER11v is definitely showing its wear.

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43 minutes ago, MattWillGolf said:

I'm very curious about how the finish holds up. The ER11v is definitely showing its wear.

I can't recall, did you order the black color Evnroll?  Mine was just plain milled finish and, while the leading edge on the sole shows burnishing, it still looks great.  As I mentioned earlier, I really like the PVD/colored clubs, just not how they wear.  Putters don't experience the wear that clubs do, so I'm hoping the Odyssey finish doesn't wear too fast.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

I can't recall, did you order the black color Evnroll?  Mine was just plain milled finish and, while the leading edge on the sole shows burnishing, it still looks great.  As I mentioned earlier, I really like the PVD/colored clubs, just not how they wear.  Putters don't experience the wear that clubs do, so I'm hoping the Odyssey finish doesn't wear too fast.

Yes, the ER11v is black anodized aluminum.

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1 minute ago, MattWillGolf said:

Yes, the ER11v is black anodized aluminum.

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Wow.  I presume you keep the headcover on when not putting? You know that weathered/distressed look is all the rage right now in furniture and other products... guess you'll just have to roll with it 😉.  

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On 12/18/2023 at 10:57 AM, fixyurdivot said:

Consistent Ball Speed Across the Face…simple as that. Using Ai technology to track strike patterns from TOUR, Consumer, and Robots, Odyssey R&D was able to determine where on a putter face most strikes happen and what happens when the strike is off. Once that is determined, Odyssey R&D developed a face that doppelgangers heel and toe strikes to perform and roll just like the flushers.

Great read and seems to affirm what I saw when I took “Millie” (AI-ONE 7T DB)  on a solo run.  I got to spend about 20 mins on the putting green while waiting for the Friday Men’s grp get going.  Purposed toe and heel strikes to see how the roll out shook out.  Growing confidence in the Milled face led to consistency in how the putts finished.  Saw the balls finish within inches of each other.  On the course - where the  greens have much more undulating surface,  Millie offered rolls to match my reads (both good and bad).  Being a long time White Hot face guy and prior to that the DF black inset - milled is really growing on me.  
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2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Wow.  I presume you keep the headcover on when not putting? You know that weathered/distressed look is all the rage right now in furniture and other products... guess you'll just have to roll with it 😉.  

With this putter, I’m usually pretty good about putting the cover on because of the finish. With my ER7, which is stainless steel I’m not has diligent. Distressed finish you say? 🤔 Home and Garden Channel here I come. 😂

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Got another round in today, a 4 man scramble in men's league, and we tied for 2nd.  The Odyssey definitely helped.  I was our anchorman and had 3 looks at the 7 foot putt on 18... just lipped the edge...we all thought it was going down for a tie for 1st. 😢

These Ai faces are the real deal all 👍.

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