Wu1f Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I was struggling with my wedge, especially with distance control from short to intermediate range. The instructor at my home club has helped me a great deal on other swing issues, so I took this one to him. He said that the mistake a lot of golfers make is trying to do it all with only one or two wedges. I carry four wedges, Gap, 52, 56 and 60. My Arrcos data indicates that I use them with about the same frequency. We set up the lesson for a time when the practice green doesn't get much use. The club has a very large, oblong practice green. He had me stand about ten feet off one end of the green, hitting across the flattest part so that pitch didn't influence rollout. Using a soft, smooth quarter swing, I hit some shots with the 60-degree wedge. I measured the distance to the approximate center of where they landed (carry) and where the where they stopped rolling. I noted carry and roll distance on my smart phone. We repeated the process with the other wedges. The rollout with the gap wedge was only half way across the green, so he had me add my 9- and 8-irons! The middle of the roll distance for my wedges (only), was about 40 feet. He had me move back 40 feet from where I hit the quarter swings, then repeated the process with a half swing. The 60-degree didn't reach the green, and the 8-iron went off the other end. I noted carry and rollout distances, adding a note to avoid using the 8-iron and 60-degree for half swings at this distance. I repeated the process with a 3/4 swing from another 40 feet out.. When I got home, I summarized the data in a spreadsheet, and using the smallest font small I could still read and printed it. I trimmed the paper to about a quarter of a sheet. I carry that with me and reprint it when it gets battered. If I'm hitting onto an up or down slope, I estimate how much that will impact rollout. My short game has improved tremendously (although I do still "chunk' a few). I didn't do the drill with a full swing since the 3/4 swing was already starting to leave shallow ball marks on the green. Maybe I'll try it on the driving range sometime when I can safely mark and measure distances. The rollout won't match what I'll get on the green, but I think I can extrapolate it from the other data. If you are struggling with distance, maybe this drill will help? sirchunksalot, Dweed, Josh Parker and 3 others 6 Quote LEFTHANDED Titleist TSR1 Driver Titleist TSR1 23 and 26 degree hybrid Titleist T200 Irons (7-GW) Cleveland RTX-7 Wedges (52, 56, 60) Odessey 1.5 putter Bridgeston Tour BRX-S, Srixon Q-Star Tour Link to comment
Josh Parker Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I practice alot of these types of shots. I think a lot of players struggle around the green from 60yds in. I also believe knowing your usual miss for approach shots and practicing those types of shots is crucial in keeping scores down. Depending on lie and flag location, I have several options every time. Some drills I like to do for chipping are: Pick a spot off the practice green and hit 5 shots with 3 different wedges. Same flag. Pick a close flag and then work to the furthest flag. I will also do that with the ball in a bad lie because how often do we get the perfect lie.. don't just prep the ball on perfect grass. sirchunksalot, cksurfdude, Dweed and 1 other 4 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment
Dweed Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 No one specific drill per se. I do try to hit at 30 balls each day, even during the winter. I'm lucky enough to have a net set up in the barn. Still can get mighty cold but dry. I start out with 10 chips, then full shots, 10 shots using a 9 or 8 and then 10 shots with a 7 or 6 iron. I take 10 swings with an old driver with a headcover and a old t-shirt wrap for weight and resistance. No balls involved. Then if hands are warm enough I finish with hitting 10-15 putts on a 10 foot putting rug. cksurfdude 1 Quote D- Ping G 400 SFT 16*- Adams Tight Lie 19*- Adams Tight Lie 4H- Ping G 400 5-U- Ping G 400 SW- Nike 56*- Ping Glide 2 P- Sub70 004 Mallet Link to comment
Goober Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Best drill is hitting a ball swinging 10 miles an hour.And at the same time I leave the club up and try and open my core towards the target as soon as I can cksurfdude 1 Quote Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 29 minutes ago, Goober said: Best drill is hitting a ball swinging 10 miles an hour.And at the same time I leave the club up and try and open my core towards the target as soon as I can I know a pretty good instructor who says that whenever you are working on a specific change, you MUST rehearse it slowly. If you cannot make the change at a slow speed, you won't be able to make the change at full speed. Do it right slowly, increase the speed gradually, always doing the "right" thing. And if doing it properly feels weird, great, if it feels "normal" you're probably not changing a thing. Goober, Wu1f, cksurfdude and 1 other 3 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
Kenny B Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/10/2024 at 3:34 AM, Josh Parker said: I practice alot of these types of shots. I think a lot of players struggle around the green from 60yds in. I also believe knowing your usual miss for approach shots and practicing those types of shots is crucial in keeping scores down. Depending on lie and flag location, I have several options every time. Some drills I like to do for chipping are: Pick a spot off the practice green and hit 5 shots with 3 different wedges. Same flag. Pick a close flag and then work to the furthest flag. I will also do that with the ball in a bad lie because how often do we get the perfect lie.. don't just prep the ball on perfect grass. I do this as well, but only with two wedges. I also like to use one wedge at a time and chip a ball to 3 different flags... repeating several times. This practice helps with feel for different distances without repeating shots in a row. If I can get all 3 balls within a makable putt distance, I call it a success. It does take up a lot of the putting green, so I can only do that when the green is empty. Josh Parker and cksurfdude 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
Wu1f Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 20 hours ago, DaveP043 said: I know a pretty good instructor who says that whenever you are working on a specific change, you MUST rehearse it slowly. If you cannot make the change at a slow speed, you won't be able to make the change at full speed. Do it right slowly, increase the speed gradually, always doing the "right" thing. And if doing it properly feels weird, great, if it feels "normal" you're probably not changing a thing. Interesting. Can't wait to try this one! cksurfdude and Donn lost in San Diego 2 Quote LEFTHANDED Titleist TSR1 Driver Titleist TSR1 23 and 26 degree hybrid Titleist T200 Irons (7-GW) Cleveland RTX-7 Wedges (52, 56, 60) Odessey 1.5 putter Bridgeston Tour BRX-S, Srixon Q-Star Tour Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Wu1f said: Interesting. Can't wait to try this one! One thing that seems obvious to me is that the change you're trying to make is actually the "right" change for you. Very few of us have the skills and experience to diagnose our own problems and determine the best way to improve. Maybe that's a separate, a "do not". DO NOT use scattershot internet searches through generic instruction to find things to try. You're almost as likely to harm your game as you are to improve it. russtopherb and cksurfdude 1 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
russtopherb Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 26 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: One thing that seems obvious to me is that the change you're trying to make is actually the "right" change for you. Very few of us have the skills and experience to diagnose our own problems and determine the best way to improve. Maybe that's a separate, a "do not". DO NOT use scattershot internet searches through generic instruction to find things to try. You're almost as likely to harm your game as you are to improve it. 100% this. I spent years following YouTube drills and tips to try and fix a banana slice. 10 minutes with an instructor and that nasty slice tamed itself into a baby fade. Not a single drill or tip I had tried actually addressed the issue I had, which I may have never resolved without someone else's knowledgeable eyes on me. DaveP043, cksurfdude and Donn lost in San Diego 3 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h D200 6i-GW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 Tour S Link to comment
TimoteoLA Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 After struggling for years with early extension and watching countless Teachers and probably every Youtube video on the subject, this thought and visual with the club on the ground from Adam Porzak and this drill from Eric Gogorno and Steve Sieracki has finally given me something to work on! cksurfdude and barney_bogey 2 Quote Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 39 minutes ago, TimoteoLA said: After struggling for years with early extension and watching countless Teachers and probably every Youtube video on the subject, This is something I mentioned, and apparently you found out the hard way, the internet "shotgun" approach isn't generally the best way to go. There are LOTS of different causes for early extension, and the best way to cure EE is to fix the underlying cause. One of the most important skill for a good instructor is "diagnosis", going beyond the symptom to determine the underlying cause. Only then can he start to work on changing something to fix the cause, in order to affect the symptom. And congratulations on finding something that works for you! cnosil and cksurfdude 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
higherplane Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Would like to add drills for putting: Prior to round get on practice green and hit long putts uphill and downhill to understand speed- goal is to get ball to stop either on next cut or within a few inches above on the next cut; for putting practice, from 6 feet, putt five in a row both hands, then left hand only, then right hand only. This drill can be done in your house in winter weather. cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver - 2023 Callaway Paradym 9.0, 3 Wood -2022 Rogue ST Max, 3 Hybrid Mavrik, 2017 X-forged 4-PW, Wedges Callaway 50-56-60, Putter Odyssey Toulon Chicago Link to comment
cnosil Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, higherplane said: Would like to add drills for putting: Prior to round get on practice green and hit long putts uphill and downhill to understand speed- goal is to get ball to stop either on next cut or within a few inches above on the next cut; for putting practice, from 6 feet, putt five in a row both hands, then left hand only, then right hand only. This drill can be done in your house in winter weather. Questions: why just generaluphill and downhill prior to a round. Wouldn’t a stock stroke be better to assess speed? The up hill and downhill would be a good practice to build the skill of understanding slope and it’s impact on ball speed. what is the intent of the left hand and right hand only drill? What skill are you building or what are you learning from the drill? cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Middler Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) I didn't go the lengths the OP did, but I did practice quite a bit with 1/4 and 1/2 swings with my LW, GW and 9i, noting distance for each - and it has helped my accuracy. Of course I have to make sure I keep my tempo the same as you can hit a 1/2 swing quite a range of distances if you swing easy vs hard. I can't use my SW to chip/pitch because it has too much bounce for tight lies (by my design). The more I practice, the more consistent I get... For years I relied on putting from off the green with a 6i or 7i to chip, and although I got pretty good at it, when you're short sided or dealing with a bunker that doesn't work. Getting accustomed to more loft, like I describe above, has been much more useful over the range of circumstances we all face. Edited January 17 by Middler cksurfdude 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize LAB DF3 w Accra Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 001 F (mesh), Payntr X 005 F, Ecco Biom C4 Link to comment
StrokerAce Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 the step drill is one of my favorites and I repeat it often. A great reminder of getting momentum going towards the target. I see so many people 'fall back' when they follow through... brogies and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver- Titleist TSR3 10* Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (5i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Wilson Infinite Grant Park Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment
Donn lost in San Diego Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just a little thing that I use now. At the range, I only take 3 or 4 clubs, and I only hit 2 or 3 balls with a club, then switch. When we play, the "consistency" part involves hitting the club in my hand now, not after 2, 3,or 4 practice shots. And walk away after EACH shot, let go my grip, start each shot from new address. I think Nicklaus taught me this 40 or 50 years ago in Golf My Way. Take about 50 to 60 seconds between shots, renew focus on each shot. It is so sad to see people at the range banging ball after ball every 5 seconds and without improving or changing a single 1/10 of a second. cksurfdude and cnosil 2 Quote #1 PXG 0211 10.5 deg, Evnflo Riptide CB 40 gram A flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr, Tensei Blue CK 55 gram A flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1, Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3i 18 degree, Recoil 95 reg flex. 4 iron: GFF Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree forged hollow body, Aerotech Steelfiber . 5 Hybrid: Mizuno (2017) JPX Fli-Hi wave tech, Recoil ESX 460 reg flex. Irons: 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil Smacwrap ES 760, reg flex. Wedges: 2 x Mizuno S5 52/09. 1@ 50 deg, 1@ 54 deg; New (July 2024) Mizu ES 21, 58 x 08, jet black. Chipper: Don Martin "Up n In" brass/bronze. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, with 2 piece Stroke Lab multi material shaft. Link to comment
RetiredBoomer Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) When I first took to the links solo after my initial lessons, many years ago, I added one routine that I wasn't taught. At address, I placed my clubhead in front of the ball, and then thrust it forward straight up the shotline a couple of times. That reinforced my "swoosh" shaped swing, a little flat, a little inside out, and a follow through straight up the shotline, effecting a weight shift back to front. I NEVER cast over the top for a slice unless I did it on purpose, and I never had a reverse weight shift front to back. It's not a TOUR swing by any means, but it's serviceable for a recreational player. Edited May 8 by RetiredBoomer cksurfdude 1 Quote in flux Link to comment
brogies Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Another vote for the step drill. I have a tendency to hang back and not shift my weight enough and that helps. I also have a tendency to let my trail (right) arm chicken wing a bit on the way back, so putting a headcover/glove underneath that arm pit also helps me to stay better connected. cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 10K 9º | Ping Tour 2.0 Black 75S Fairway Wood: Ping G430 Max 3W 15º | Ping Tour 2.0 Chrome 75S Hybrids: Ping G425 Max 3H 19º | Tensei Orange 80S & Ping 4i iCrossover 22.5° | Ping Tour 2.0 Chrome 85S Irons: Mizuno JPX921 Forged (5-GW) | Dynamic Gold 120 S300 Wedges: Ping s159 54º & 58º | PING Z-Z115 Putter: TaylorMade Spider Tour Ball: 2023 ProV1x / 2024 Vice Pro Plus Link to comment
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