Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Most everyone knows that I dislike 460cc drivers, I think they look like a balloon and it messes with my head. I know Callaway and Taylormade put out the mini drivers a while back, saying you'll get driver distance with fairway wood control. Where'd they go? Shorter shafted smaller head, 2 wood. Lots of discussions about cutting down drivers on here lately, and it seems to be the biggest problems us “ams†have. So why not make a 43†250cc 2 wood at 10.5. They used to make them. I find it funny that most people are more accurate with a 3 wood over that big silly balloon on a stick. And I don't want to hear, the “strong 3 wood†is now the 2 wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGolfore Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Shanks I think we see these come around every so often. Usually a higher lofted smaller headed driver. I know you can get one from Hireko called the THRIVER. But as far as a regular 2 wood, I do not think you will see this any more. Driver: Callaway Rogue 9* FW: Sub 70 Pro 4 wood Hybrid: Sub 70 949 Hybrid 19* Irons: Sub 70 659 CB 4 - 6 Black 639 MB 7 - PW Wedges: Sub 70 JB - 50* 54* & 60* Putter: Odyssey White Hot #2 Ball: Titleist Pro-V1x Handicap index: +3.9 Instagram: joshandersongolf Twitter: @jacustomgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Shanks I think we see these come around every so often. Usually a higher lofted smaller headed driver. I know you can get one from Hireko called the THRIVER. But as far as a regular 2 wood, I do not think you will see this any more. Bummer. It would help us 99% golfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Cobra had one out a few years ago. The long tom 2 wood Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 "The strong 3 wood is now the 2 wood." 10.5* is not a 2W. I had a 2W when I started playing golf; it was 12*. Curiously, now that I'm old, my driver is 12*. What's wrong with a strong 3W? Seems to work fine for Henrik Stenson. BTW, it wouldn't help me, and I don't think it would help most ams that are the "average" golfer. I can't hit a FW as straight as my driver, so why give up distance? “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 "The strong 3 wood is now the 2 wood." 10.5* is not a 2W. I had a 2W when I started playing golf; it was 12*. Curiously, now that I'm old, my driver is 12*. What's wrong with a strong 3W? Seems to work fine for Henrik Stenson. BTW, it wouldn't help me, and I don't think it would help most ams that are the "average" golfer. I can't hit a FW as straight as my driver, so why give up distance? Hmm. Well, I am looking for the deeper face than a 3 wood. I do know they existed with the mini 1.5 and the SLDR mini. I wonder if I could have one adjusted to play at 10.5°. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'm in the same boat as you Shanks. Even if the hole is long, if it's tight I'm going 3w (maybe utility iron if it puts me at a good yardage). Been thinking about one of those Callaway 3+ wood. 13-14* and 43" long Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I have two old 2-woods. One is actually made of wood. You know... like a tree. LOL The wooden one is an old Wilson Staff. I think it's call "Tour-Block" but I don't have it handy at the moment. The other one is a Callaway Big Bertha metal 2-wood I bought back in the early nineties I believe. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 I have two old 2-woods. One is actually made of wood. You know... like a tree. LOL The wooden one is an old Wilson Staff. I think it's call "Tour-Block" but I don't have it handy at the moment. The other one is a Callaway Big Bertha metal 2-wood I bought back in the early nineties I believe. I have a Hogan 2 wood from 1958, it's a smidge smaller than the driver. I think Tiger should have Taylormade build him a 300cc Driver. That way I can buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPattGolf Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Taylormade did it fairly recently. It was the Mini Driver. Came in a 260cc head at 12* * Staff Professional* Driver: Stealth Plus+ (7.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Black 6X Tipped 1" 3 Wood: Stealth Plus+ (14.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Blue 7x Tipped 1" Driving Iron: P790 UDI 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5 4 Iron: P790 - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (5-7) P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (8-P) P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X Wedges: MG3 Black 50.09 / 55.11 - KBS TOUR FLT 130 X 60* Wedge: High Toe Raw - KBS Tour 130 X Putter: Custom Black ER2 or Custom Black Del Monte Bag: FlexTech Stand Bag Glove: Tour Preferred Glove Ball: TP5X #11 RangeFinder: R1 Smart Rangefinder Instagram: @dpattgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTexGolfer Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Callaway XHot and X2Hot 3deeps are floating around on eBay. Deep face and slightly longer than average 3 wood shaft. Might be what you are looking for. I have almost pulled the trigger on these in the past but never have. 400 Driver (8*) UST ATTAS Punch 6S F6 Baffler (16*) Matrix Red Tie 65Q4 816 H1 Hybrid (21*,23*) Diamana S+ Blue 82 HY Z765 (5-PW) +2* Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw Vokey SM5 50.08F 54.10M Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw PM Grind 60* Dynamic Gold S400 TR 1966 Anser 2 Z Star ball Pioneer Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Callaway XHot and X2Hot 3deeps are floating around on eBay. Deep face and slightly longer than average 3 wood shaft. Might be what you are looking for. I have almost pulled the trigger on these in the past but never have. Been looking for an X2 Hot 2 wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Callaway XHot and X2Hot 3deeps are floating around on eBay. Deep face and slightly longer than average 3 wood shaft. Might be what you are looking for. I have almost pulled the trigger on these in the past but never have. https://mygolfspy.com/callaway-xhot-3deep/ “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Loft-wise the 2 wood is now included in the shaft sleeve loft adjustment... Size-wise, maybe Callaway's “mini†was a recent one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Whatever you call it there are two woods out there. Of course they aren't made of wood either .... Also I like be your enthusiasm Shankster but it is not accurate to say that “most people†would benefit from a smaller head. In fact most people would not because it's possible to create a more forgiving face with a larger head. The question is how much more beneficial it is after about 440 ccs or so. Most people do need more loft and a weaker flex in the shaft that they use. That's true. Many people would benefit from a shorter shaft but they won't know for certain until they are fit. Just remember that a 2 wood by any other name is still a 2 wood. But it won't be made out of wood. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Whatever you call it there are two woods out there. Of course they aren't made of wood either .... Also I like be your enthusiasm Shankster but it is not accurate to say that “most people†would benefit from a smaller head. In fact most people would not because it's possible to create a more forgiving face with a larger head. The question is how much more beneficial it is after about 440 ccs or so. Most people do need more loft and a weaker flex in the shaft that they use. That's true. Many people would benefit from a shorter shaft but they won't know for certain until they are fit. Just remember that a 2 wood by any other name is still a 2 wood. But it won't be made out of wood. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Couldn't agree with this more. I think you give up a lot by going to a smaller head in terms of forgiveness. Why do it? I think dispersion will always decrease with decreasing shaft length, the problem is that distance will start to decrease along with it at some point. The comment about getting fit is a good one because you can hopefully dial in your shaft length to optimize distance and dispersion. Most ams would probably benefit from a 400cc 14* Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGolfore Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Bummer. It would help us 99% golfers. I'll respectfully disagree. If it was 99% you'd see it on the market Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: Callaway Rogue 9* FW: Sub 70 Pro 4 wood Hybrid: Sub 70 949 Hybrid 19* Irons: Sub 70 659 CB 4 - 6 Black 639 MB 7 - PW Wedges: Sub 70 JB - 50* 54* & 60* Putter: Odyssey White Hot #2 Ball: Titleist Pro-V1x Handicap index: +3.9 Instagram: joshandersongolf Twitter: @jacustomgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'll respectfully disagree. If it was 99% you'd see it on the market Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Well if you listen to the marketing, and the pros. We are all garbage at golf. Yeah, sure it's a niche market for these things since we've been brainwashed into bigger is better. I personally can get a better strike from a 3 wood. Mine is set at 13.5° which is probably in that 2 wood loft range. But I tend to get it up to high from time to time. 460cc drivers just look silly to me. What's the difference between the middle of 460cc and 260cc? The width of the face can't be all that much different, obviously a little smaller height and width wise. But the middle is the middle. Just my thoughts. Marketing tells us we need 460cc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGolfore Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Well if you listen to the marketing, and the pros. We are all garbage at golf. Yeah, sure it's a niche market for these things since we've been brainwashed into bigger is better. I personally can get a better strike from a 3 wood. Mine is set at 13.5° which is probably in that 2 wood loft range. But I tend to get it up to high from time to time. 460cc drivers just look silly to me. What's the difference between the middle of 460cc and 260cc? The width of the face can't be all that much different, obviously a little smaller height and width wise. But the middle is the middle. Just my thoughts. Marketing tells us we need 460cc. I know for a fact the 460 is a lot more forgiving. Although it would be fun to see what a say 350cc Head could get you at 12* of loft. I know it would bring back the driver off the deck more. But I see Sergio did that and hit it 300. Everyone in this game is different. And that's the beauty of it. What I like or works for me will not necessarily look good or play well for you. And that makes it hard for the manufacturers. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: Callaway Rogue 9* FW: Sub 70 Pro 4 wood Hybrid: Sub 70 949 Hybrid 19* Irons: Sub 70 659 CB 4 - 6 Black 639 MB 7 - PW Wedges: Sub 70 JB - 50* 54* & 60* Putter: Odyssey White Hot #2 Ball: Titleist Pro-V1x Handicap index: +3.9 Instagram: joshandersongolf Twitter: @jacustomgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Yeah, I'm not talking about forgiveness. Obviously a bigger club will give you more room for error. That's what I'm trying to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobcat Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 What used to be called a 2-Wood is today's Mini Driver... SLDR Mini Driver (260cc) - The new 2-Wood What's in Bobcat's Bag? (Showing more than 14 clubs due to options) Driver: 9.5* SLDR-C - 45.5" Miyazaki Kusala Black 61s, (1/2" tip) Fairway: Tour issue 15* V-Steel 3W - Fujikura 757 Speeder Stiff Fairway/Hybrid: 15* Rescue Fairway "3-Strong" - VP-90 Stiff Hybrids: #3 (19*) & #4 (22*) Rescue-Mid TP's - Vista Pro 90 Stiff Driving Irons: UDI #1 (16*) & #3 (20*) - KBS C-Taper Lite 110 Stiff Iron Set: SLDR Irons (5-8i only) - KBS C-Taper Lite 110 Stiff Hybrid Wedges: 2011 Niblicks 42*PW, 49*DW, 56*SW - Stock SW/LW: CG-16 Black Pearl 58* Low Bounce 8* - Stock Steel Shaft Putter: BBX-81 Blade - Stock Bettinardi Steel Shaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 What used to be called a 2-Wood is today's Mini Driver... SLDRMini.jpg The SLDR Mini Driver Right. But where'd they go? Had a 2 year spell now poof... gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I don't know much about clubmaking but it seems like the move to 460cc was to help move weight all around and add some forgiveness. I'm willing to bet that if you give a casual golfer a 375/400 cc driver and a 460cc driver the distance gained from the "schoolbus on a stick" will be minimal. The dispersion/forgiveness will more than likely be there though. Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Right. But where'd they go? Had a 2 year spell now poof... gone. Yep...last I heard of them was the Callaway big bertha mini 1.5 ... those seemed to be well liked by some folks but it might have been cannibalizing sales of their primary driver. Maybe you should build one Shanks? But you couldn't call it the Shankster mini or anything like that - nobody would buy it with that name! Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Yep...last I heard of them was the Callaway big bertha mini 1.5 ... those seemed to be well liked by some folks but it might have been cannibalizing sales of their primary driver. Maybe you should build one Shanks? But you couldn't call it the Shankster mini or anything like that - nobody would buy it with that name! Yeah. That would not be a good marketing idea on my end. I'd simply call it... “2 Wood†Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 No Rouge Max, M16, Glock30, King Chuck. Just 2 wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Oh. And of course it was taking away from main sales. Why else would they canx it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Oh. And of course it was taking away from main sales. Why else would they canx it? Lack of/poor sales ?? maybe they need a tour player to use it in place of a 460 driver in order to gain traction....that seems to drive a lot of sales. Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Forget rolling back the ball. Roll back the driver to 400cc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfinnut Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Hmm. Well, I am looking for the deeper face than a 3 wood. I do know they existed with the mini 1.5 and the SLDR mini. I wonder if I could have one adjusted to play at 10.5°. Some OEM"s ... Titleist in particular ... have deeper face 13.5* woods. Smaller more compact head but very easy to hit. I'm not being biased either (since I hit one and love it). With all the adjustments in loft possible with drivers and 3-woods, you won't see a "2-wood" anymore. Not with being able to "loft up" or "loft down" Just find a driver you're comfortable with and loft it up to 12* ... problem solved WITB: Do I like Titleist or what? Driver: TSR3 9* UST Mamiya Proto LIN-Q Blue Fairways: TSi2 UST Mamiya LIN-Q Blue 13.5* Driving Iron: U500 17* Blue Ventus HB Velocore Irons: T350 4 & 5, T200 6 - PW UST Mamiya Recoil Dart F4 105g Wedges: SM9 48*, SM9 52*, SM8 56* Modus Tour Wedge Putter: Newport 2 w/ Garsen Ultimate grip Ball: *ProV1 Left Dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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