Har in the Hat Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Guys, I am in the looking at purchasing new wedges and I started thinking about my stock MP-25 PW(46 Deg). Have any of you replaced your iron set's PW with a wedge from a wedge specialist ( for lack of a better term) - vokey or other? Is it worthwhile? thanks guys What's in my Mizuno BR-D2 bag OFFICIAL TESTER FOR THE PING i500 CLUBS. Currently playing Ping i500 w/ Alta CB graphite shafts MP 25 - fitted w/ Project X shafts - stiff 60 / 56 52 910 D2 driver - 9.5 degree -fitted13 F 3 wood 13.5 deg CPR 3 hybrid Method mallet Dexterity: I shoot left-handed so no one can ask me "Hey, can I try that club?" Twitter @GolfingHat Instagram @Mizunostixgolfnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I've done it both ways. My previous set of irons (or maybe 2 sets ago) I replaced the PW with a Scor wedge and played that way for a couple seasons. My rational at the time was the set PW (TM Speedblades) would jump some times on a flier lie and I'd nuke it 10-20yds past where I can normally hit it. Swapped to the Scor and I really like it. FF to this season and I stared with Cleveland CBX and then switched to PING G700. In both sets I played the stock PW and really liked it. Distance control was great and it was more forgiving than the Scor PW. So I guess that's all to say I've had success both ways, it's really a matter of if the set PW is costing you strokes or saving you strokes. Also depends on what types of shots and turf interaction you want out of that club. Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I have always been interested by this. The rational I always use is, if you play GI or SGI, you should probably use a "specialty wedge". That way you have more control and a better bounce for around the green. GI and SGI clubs are inherently built for distance, forgiveness, and high launch. That isn't ideal for a wedge that you need to control distance, and launch conditions. A specialty wedge will grant you a little more of the workability and distance control without the possibility of a "jumper". I think if you are playing a players iron, they have more workability built into them, so a specialty wedge is less imperative, but it can still be helpful if need even more workability. I would normally only say you need more workability if you are a scratch or better player. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 These days, if you're going to bypass your set's PW, you almost have to bend the numbered irons a couple of degrees weak just to get close enough--maybe six degrees--to the specialty wedges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Not a fan. Did it with a set of 2-9 962b’s I played with for 6 years. I can see why guys choose to play a wedge style wedge for their pitch. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I used a vokey 46* in my cb/mb comboand Ive done it other times with some more forgiving clubs. I think it depends on what one is trying to accomplish with the club. Is it a full swing only, is it used for all kinds of shots including pitches and chips are somethings to consider. if only a full swing club then set wedge works better with some added forgiveness imo Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I've actually been considering really simplifying my wedge setup. Going 46 specialty wedge instead of set pw and then going 52 58.This would really force me to simplify my approach around the greens and would also free up a spot at the top of the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deauxrite Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I have also tried it both ways. Last year I replaced my Ping G30 PW, GW and SW with Vokey wedges of various lofts and bounce in an attempt to find some workable solution to distance control and spin. I played with the Vokeys for 4 months and finally went back to my standard Ping wedges. The only change that stuck was the 58 degree Vokey that I use for bunkers and for lofted shots close to the greens. I tracked my results for the 4 month trial and found that there was virtually no difference in greens hit..but the difference in distance from pins was enough to send me back to the G30 wedges. M2 Driver Fujikura Regular Flex Mizuno 921 Tour Irons-- Titleist Wedges A new Sik Armlock putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I’ve thought about doing this many times. Even more so lately because I’ve been chipping with my 9i and pw a lot more so I think having a wedge with more versatility would be useful around the greens Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Har in the Hat Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 thank you. lots of great feedback. you guys are the best I think it might be best answered by buying and trying. What's in my Mizuno BR-D2 bag OFFICIAL TESTER FOR THE PING i500 CLUBS. Currently playing Ping i500 w/ Alta CB graphite shafts MP 25 - fitted w/ Project X shafts - stiff 60 / 56 52 910 D2 driver - 9.5 degree -fitted13 F 3 wood 13.5 deg CPR 3 hybrid Method mallet Dexterity: I shoot left-handed so no one can ask me "Hey, can I try that club?" Twitter @GolfingHat Instagram @Mizunostixgolfnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I ditched my set's PW at first when I filled out my set of "specialty wedges, but found that there was too much of a gap between the 9i and my 50*. So back in it came in and then I kicked the hybrid out for now. to make room. In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 13 hours ago, jlukes said: I've actually been considering really simplifying my wedge setup. Going 46 specialty wedge instead of set pw and then going 52 58. This would really force me to simplify my approach around the greens and would also free up a spot at the top of the bag. For most of my golf life, I've never needed more than two clubs between my four-iron and my driver / driving iron combo. Usually, they'd be a medium lofted and a high or weak lofted fairway wood. That puts us at driver driving iron longer fairway wood more lofted fairway wood #s 4-9 irons. That's ten clubs, and a putter makes eleven. Room for three wedges. In many of my sets, I included a specialty sand iron that wasn't really playable from the grass. For me, it was worth it. Now there's only room for two wedges. And this is why a super strong 9-iron as we have today is a problem. I would never buy a set or irons with a 9-iron stronger than 42º (practically bendable, then, to 44º). With a 44º 9-iron, then a 50-08 and a 58-04, as a rough example, could get the job done for me. In "only" fourteen clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Definitely won't hurt (well, maybe your bank account) to experiment! I did but I already carry specialty gap, sand and lob wedges so the extra cost to me wasn't worth it as I already had the workability the other wedges providedSent from my CLT-L04 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Har in the Hat Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 15 hours ago, jlukes said: I've actually been considering really simplifying my wedge setup. Going 46 specialty wedge instead of set pw and then going 52 58. what do you mean by "specialty wedge"? 1 hour ago, NiftyNiblick said: For most of my golf life, I've never needed more than two clubs between my four-iron and my driver / driving iron combo. Usually, they'd be a medium lofted and a high or weak lofted fairway wood. In many of my sets, I included a specialty sand iron that wasn't really playable from the grass. speciality sand iron? 1 hour ago, Canucklehead said: I did but I already carry specialty gap, sand and lob wedges so the extra cost to me wasn't worth it as I already had the workability speciality gap wedge. again,the word speciality? please clarify. thanks guys What's in my Mizuno BR-D2 bag OFFICIAL TESTER FOR THE PING i500 CLUBS. Currently playing Ping i500 w/ Alta CB graphite shafts MP 25 - fitted w/ Project X shafts - stiff 60 / 56 52 910 D2 driver - 9.5 degree -fitted13 F 3 wood 13.5 deg CPR 3 hybrid Method mallet Dexterity: I shoot left-handed so no one can ask me "Hey, can I try that club?" Twitter @GolfingHat Instagram @Mizunostixgolfnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Har in the Hat said: speciality sand iron? A dedicated sand iron is a club that one carries specifically for green side bunker play and doesn't ever expect to use from a clean fairway lie. Below is the Ray Cook Shot Saer which is a typical example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, Har in the Hat said: what do you mean by "specialty wedge"? speciality sand iron? speciality gap wedge. again,the word speciality? please clarify. thanks guys Specialty wedge is not a pitching or gap wedge from an iron set (like a Ping G400 PW or GW). Specialty wedge IS a wedge like a Vokey SM7 or Ping Glide 2.0 at ANY loft. 46° to 64°. When we say "replace set PW with a specialty wedge", we mean replace it with a Vokey or Ping Glide 2.0 or Callaway MD 4 etc. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Middler said: I can’t imagine it would make much difference for scoring, so I wouldn’t. I have the PW and GW from my iron set and a specialty 56 and 60 only because they’re not offered with my iron set. For a mid to high handicapper I’d be surprised if it made a scoring difference. A low handicapper might actually feel a difference, but how many shots would that amount to in a round, 0-2 strokes maybe 1 if that on average I’d guess. My 2 cents. Unless you’re grossly misfit, it’s the Indian not the arrow more often than not... I'd be surprised if it made a difference too--because on my first set of irons, the 9-iron was 48º. Those set matching wedges used to be numbered irons in the old days anyway. I never did understand referring to golf clubs as arrows, though. To me, they're more like bows. Balls are like arrows, i would think. Shubhankar Sharma isn't a bad Indian player, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I play the set PW because it’s always a full shot for me so I want the gapping and forgiveness.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyNiblick Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, PMookie said: I play the set PW because it’s always a full shot for me so I want the gapping and forgiveness. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro I would guess that's the prevailing thought on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 For what it’s worth I participated in a MGS test that pitted comparably lofted SCORs against my set’s matched PW and GW. (Originally it was going to be PW, 9 iron into SCOR found out how jacked each testers irons were) So it was SCOR 48,44 v Wilson C100 PW,GW. The 48 v GW was a rout! The 48 remains in the bag 2 iron sets later. The PW v 44 was very close, close enough that the SCOR 44 has made it into my bag on several occasions, particularly when things dry out. It will probably go in my bag again in January. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I play my sets PW - 48* and then 52*, 56*, 60* wedges. The PW is a Wishon 771csi and the others are Wishon PCF Micro-Tour. My wedge lofts and gaps are pretty standard fare I'd say. I use the 56* & 60* wedges most often. What I like about these wedges is the heel design that allow you to open the face while not allowing the leading edge to raise. I play mostly tightly mowed bermuda fairways in the summer and this design has been a champ. Other wedges might have a similar design but since I'm not looking I can't say. If I were replacing any of them I'd stick with the same thing. They work great for my game. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I have PING G irons and originally bought a used Ping G PW off of ebay to fill out my irons, but discovered through trial and error that someone had bent that PW to 50 degrees, essentially making it a gap wedge. Not being fully thrilled with my G irons I then ordered the Ping i200 PW which I am extremely happy with. I use the PW around the green for fringe chips when I miss greens so I wear out my PW a lot and need a club I am really confident with. To be honest, I would have bought the entire set of i200 irons if I had not just bought the G irons, so take that for what it’s worth. I’ve since replaced my GW and SW from Ping G30 to Ping G700. I just like the feel of the G700 better on thise two wedges. I carry a Cleveland RTX 58 degree lob wedge as the outlier in my wedges. I’ve yet to feel fully comfortable with a Ping LW as that is a huge scoring club for me from 90 yards and in and need something that leaves me the fewest amount of chunked shots, which Cleveland wedges seem best suited for for some reason. Use whatever works for you though. It is all what you feel most comfortable with and doesn’t need to be one like your irons unless you want it to. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 @Har in the Hat a specialty wedge is something like a Vokey, or Glide 2.0, or TMaG Milled Grind that is a stand alone wedge and not a wedge that is sold as part of an iron set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deauxrite Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 So it occurs to me that maybe the idea of reducing your score might have been lost in the discussion. I have tried very hard to make sure that I have my gaps covered, but the real idea is to be sure that I can hit a full shot from the distances that I find myself hitting regularly. In my case I find that the PW is good at 112 -115 yards. Inside of that I often find myself at 90-103..that turns out to be a gap (50 degree) wedge. The full sand wedge is 77- 84 yards and I can usually hit that laterally within 15 feet..lots of birdie or par save opportunities..I rarely hit a full lob (58 degree) wedge..it just does not work well for me..but if I have to..64 yards..about the same as a half gap wedge..which seems to be a better shot for me. Bottom line..try lots of options and find the one that lowers your score. If getting up and down from 25 yards is your issue..try 2-3 different clubs that work from that distance. Just remember that most of us have a shot that we need to repeat..for me that 15 yards to the pin from the area left of the green..find the club that works from there and put it in your bag...and hammer it. M2 Driver Fujikura Regular Flex Mizuno 921 Tour Irons-- Titleist Wedges A new Sik Armlock putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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