GolfSpy_APH Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Scottie is the clear number 1 player in the world. I don't think many would argue that, but who is number 2? Ans who do you think has the best chance to surpass him for #1? tdroma98 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Golf is an equal opportunity hater. Scotty is on top 'now'... just like DJ, Jason Day, Jordan Spieth were some time ago. No one is immune to it. Someone else will have his time as the 'golden boy' after Scotty. It's a vicious cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Parker Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I honestly think Aberg will move up the ranks. He's consistent and the more time he gets on the PGA, I think we will see him start winning more and more. TSauer, Jay Azzarito, tdroma98 and 6 others 7 1 1 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParFore74x Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Who is #2? That’s a tough question. I know that Rory is listed as #2 and that there are a lot of great players towards the top of that list but, none of them are as consistent as Scottie. Looking at the OWGR list of names makes my head swirl just thinking about it. I don’t see Scottie being threatened at the top any time soon. Josh Parker and tdroma98 2 Quote TSi3 10° w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 1K Black 65g TS2 15° 3W w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 70g 818 H1 21° Hybrid w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue 70g MP-18 MMC 2 iron w/ KBS Tour C-Taper S 120g JPX 921 HM 5-GW w/ Project X LZ 5.5 115g JB Forged 54° & 58° w/ Project X LZ 6.0 120g EV5.3 Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanCC Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 It’s the obvious answer. Ludvig Åberg. Other than possibly Wyndham Clark or Max Homa, everyone else feels like they have either reached their maximum or are on their way down. There’s still guys who may find the magic again like Viktor or Collin but not much outside that for me. tdroma98 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wburdett Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Right now only thing that will slow Scotty down is putting. The mallet has been instrumental in his wins but his short game is probably best on tour along w ball striking. Granted ball striking can leave a golfer but Scotty has been elite for yrs now. Aberg is 2 he has the mental makeup and love for game right now along with his precision. I think these 2 are going be battling in majors for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_the_Chip Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) PGA Tour/OWGR or actual real life World Rankings? I would say Schauffele or Rahm in the short term. Edited April 17 by Just_the_Chip silver & black 1 Quote "In fact , we both tend to hold the Midwestern stoic view that genuine problems are solved with action, not pissing and moaning. If you run around sharing your feelings too much, you'll eventually arrive at a place where you're not only still screwed up, but now everyone knows about it, too." - John Gierach - Sex, Death and Fly Fishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 9 minutes ago, Just_the_Chip said: PGA Tour/OWGR or actual real life World Rankings? I would say Schauffele or Rahm in the short term. Owgr are the only rankings that matter and rahm will be losing points he week he is away from the pga tour so highly unlikely rahm would. Just_the_Chip 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 Just now, RickyBobby_PR said: Owgr are the only rankings that matter and rahm will be losing points he week he is away from the pga tour so highly unlikely rahm would. Counter - none of them really matter now in terms of who is actually the best. Yes owgr matters for getting into events, but in terms of identifying the best actual golfers data golf may be the only true reliable source. silver & black, Just_the_Chip and StrokerAce 2 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 To the op there is no clear cut second. If we look at strokes gained data there are a number of players ranked high there but not ranked high on owgr. The ones that are in the top 5-10 on owgr are scattered throughout the strokes gained data. based on number of events played and having less than 2 years Aberg could surpass Scheffler in ranking points if he gets hot and wins an event or two and has a bunch of top 5-10 finishes. Similar to how rahm and some others jumped to first early in their career. But I would say the leaders to make a run at being at or near the top would be Clark, Cantlay, Morikawa and hovland. Schauffele as a potential as well GWScott 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 16 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said: Counter - none of them really matter now in terms of who is actually the best. Yes owgr matters for getting into events, but in terms of identifying the best actual golfers data golf may be the only true reliable source. The only thing that matters is owgr because it’s as you mentioned how players get into events. The LIV golfers are playing exhibition golf. They are playing resort courses and have no challenge. They are playing against the same group of players week in and week out. Outside of the talk of the merger and whether liv golf should be allowed into majors or other events these golfers are now irrelevant at the pro level. DP world Tour and PGA tour are where it’s at. Are the guys like rahm, DeChambeau top level golfers sure, but they chose to play exhibition golf to get paid. You can’t be compared as a top golfer if you aren’t playing on the main stage. lots of guys who were good on the dp world tour came to the PGA tour and were mediocre with some having a little success. You can’t compare guys playing 54 hole events in a shotgun start on report courses with guys grinding week in and week out trying to keep their card, trying to qualify for a major, trying to make the FedEx cup playoffs. if the liv golfers were relevant they would have people flocking to watch them, sponsors looking to throw money a them and tv deals. Before you mention that tv ratings are done I suggest looking at how well espn+ did this weekend. People have more options to watch golf so tv ratings are not a good metric and never have been especially in sports because of the options to watch like bars, sports bars and restaurants, multi pole people in a home watching on a single tv. Even for tv shows the metric isn’t accurate Edited April 17 by RickyBobby_PR ShimmyCocoBop, Josh Parker and Au_funk93 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJW Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Ludvig Åberg ShimmyCocoBop, tdroma98, Josh Parker and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preeway Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 There is a cluster of guys clamoring for second place but Scottie is way ahead at #1. If his putter stays hot he could give Tiger a run for his record at the top of the OWGR. Right now it’s clearly Scottie vs. the field. ShimmyCocoBop, Josh Parker and tdroma98 3 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS, Ventus Blue Shaft - 6S 4 Wood: Rogue ST Max 16.5, Tensei White Shaft - 7S Utility Iron: Fli Hi 3-iron, HAZARDOUS Smoke Black Shaft - S Irons: JPX 921 Tour 4-P, Project X Shafts - Stiff 125g Wedges: 52º, 56º, 60º Putter: Ai-One 7 T CH, 34" Preferred Ball: Z-Star Diamond Pushcart: Nitron Rangefinder: Tour V5 Shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo312 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 The only thing that can derail Scottie is an injury. Rory seems the logical king slayer based on experience but can't find consistency. The other guys chasing him need to make sure he's not living in their head rent free like tiger used to do. tdroma98 1 Quote Callaway Paradym X 10.5 set to 11.5 Callaway Paradym 3+ wood Callaway Paradym X 3/4/5 hybrid Mizuno 923JPX irons 6-W Dynamic Gold 95 w/ProSoft dampeners Cleveland CBX2 48, 52, 56 Cleveland Huntington Beach 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul6057 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I don't see anyone getting close to Scottie while he's playing like this, but I think over the course of the next year, Ludvig Aberg will start to separate himself as the next best guy, and when Scottie comes back to the pack after his purple patch, it could be the Swede next. NotScratchYet and tdroma98 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, Josh Parker said: I honestly think Aberg will move up the ranks. He's consistent and the more time he gets on the PGA, I think we will see him start winning more and more. I am hoping for this! The guy is just fun to watch. He always seemed to have a smile on his face at the Masters. Preeway, Josh Parker, paul6057 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Scottie is possibly a generational type player and currently there isn’t anyone close especially when looking at consistency and play from tee to green. His putting is a bit better and if it continues to improve there will be possibly more separation. Looking down the list I think the only player that could pass him is Aberg. Most of the others are established top OWGR players and really aren’t challenging. Aberg made some mental mistakes coming down the stretch of the Masters and if he can develop the mental game Scottie has he will be the next number one. ShimmyCocoBop, Preeway, GolfSpy_KFT and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudefart Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Scottie is days away from having first child. That’s who will “overthrow” him, look what happened to Spieth & Fowler most recently. I mean it in only the best of ways, but being a father/family changes the dynamic, it has to. From all outward signs, he will excel at that too, but I think it leaves the door open for someone younger like Aberg to be able to devote his time to pursuing the goal of #1. Doesn’t take anything away from Scheffler’s talent. Preeway, cnosil, Josh Parker and 3 others 6 Quote Strange is just a different point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdieboy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Personally, I trust no one does. Scottie seems to be the perfect model of a PGA pro/competitor... very talented, likable/admirable, no frills, absent of excessive ego, no controversy, seemingly great family man, and appears to have his head screwed on straight. I don't see money a/o celebrity corrupting him. Hopefully, he stays #1 for a long time. Preeway and Josh Parker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I know there’s been talk about data golf rankings and them being used instead of owgr. But the ones behind those have said they are flawed and shouldn’t replace the owgr. So owgr is the standard Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish-Assassin Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 The question asked is a good question and it’s a hard answer because out of the pack no one is as consistent as Scotty. So let’s add to the question, would Scotty be number 1 if all the players on the LIV tour still played on the PGA tour? mardukes and silver & black 2 Quote Titleist TRS Driver, Titleist TSR 3 Wood, Titleist TRS 2 Hybrid, Titleist T300 irons, Vokey SM9 wedges 56 - 60, Scotty Cameron putter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 7 minutes ago, Irish-Assassin said: So let’s add to the question, would Scotty be number 1 if all the players on the LIV tour still played on the PGA tour? Yes GolfSpy MPR and mardukes 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 10 minutes ago, Irish-Assassin said: The question asked is a good question and it’s a hard answer because out of the pack no one is as consistent as Scotty. So let’s add to the question, would Scotty be number 1 if all the players on the LIV tour still played on the PGA tour? For sure. Masters was a prime example of his overall dominance. GolfSpy MPR and ShimmyCocoBop 2 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 The short answer: no one is likely to overtake him until he falls back to the pack. The level he's playing at right now is about a once-every-20-years-or-so peak; the odds of another guy on any tour raising his game to the level that Scottie is at at the same time Scottie is there are ridiculously tiny. Consider the gap between Scottie and everyone else in just about every ranking system. Data Golf: TUGR: OWGR: The first two systems are more interesting to me, and both include golfers from multiple tours. In both of the SG measurements, Scottie is approaching a stroke-per-round advantage over the second-ranked golfer (in both measurements, currently Xander). He is more than a stroke per round better than Rory, in third place. Scottie is on a heater, for sure. And he's on a heater while still having a glaring liability in his game, with his substandard putting: All heaters come to an end, and in golf, they seem to be able to come more suddenly and without warning than other sports. But for now: no one is catching Scottie until he cools off. tdroma98, GolfSpy_KFT, Preeway and 1 other 4 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX E722 16.5°, Tensei AV RAW Blue 65 S Epic Super Hybrid 19°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 22°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 Epic Forged 7 27° 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 7–PW Diamond Tour Inazone 3.0 50°, 54°, 58°, Aldila NV 95 Graphite DF3, Counterbalanced 37", TPT shaft, Garsen Quad Tour 17" Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preeway Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 34 minutes ago, Irish-Assassin said: The question asked is a good question and it’s a hard answer because out of the pack no one is as consistent as Scotty. So let’s add to the question, would Scotty be number 1 if all the players on the LIV tour still played on the PGA tour? Great question. I think he gets pushed a lot harder of if Rahm, Koepka, BD and Cam are still in every field. I think he still comes out on top as he's just that good right now but I think the gap is smaller and he gets more pressure with a few of the bigger names. Quote Driver: Aerojet LS, Ventus Blue Shaft - 6S 4 Wood: Rogue ST Max 16.5, Tensei White Shaft - 7S Utility Iron: Fli Hi 3-iron, HAZARDOUS Smoke Black Shaft - S Irons: JPX 921 Tour 4-P, Project X Shafts - Stiff 125g Wedges: 52º, 56º, 60º Putter: Ai-One 7 T CH, 34" Preferred Ball: Z-Star Diamond Pushcart: Nitron Rangefinder: Tour V5 Shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shaw Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 The short answer is yes, it can happen and quickly, All of us on this site know how "fickle" this game is, even at the elite level. A lot and I mean a lot is going to change in the next 6 months for Scottie, there are a lot of questions in my mind how he will handle these life changing events. For some reason I don't see Merideth chasing Scotty down the driveway with a 4 iron... just saying... Fore67, cnosil and silver & black 3 Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopy79 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 5 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: The short answer: no one is likely to overtake him until he falls back to the pack. The level he's playing at right now is about a once-every-20-years-or-so peak; the odds of another guy on any tour raising his game to the level that Scottie is at at the same time Scottie is there are ridiculously tiny. Consider the gap between Scottie and everyone else in just about every ranking system. Data Golf: TUGR: OWGR: The first two systems are more interesting to me, and both include golfers from multiple tours. In both of the SG measurements, Scottie is approaching a stroke-per-round advantage over the second-ranked golfer (in both measurements, currently Xander). He is more than a stroke per round better than Rory, in third place. Scottie is on a heater, for sure. And he's on a heater while still having a glaring liability in his game, with his substandard putting: All heaters come to an end, and in golf, they seem to be able to come more suddenly and without warning than other sports. But for now: no one is catching Scottie until he cools off. Great analysis here. My two cents, FWIW, is that Scotty is not going to be overtaken anytime soon. But like you mentioned, he will be the one who falls back if it were to happen. The thing I see as the most admirable about Scotty is that he is consistent, and his course management is top-notch. He doesn't have to be a great putter, he just has to be good enough. GolfSpy MPR and cnosil 1 1 Quote Current WITB: Driver: Big Ben CS3 9.5deg Aldila NV-h 70-R w/JumboMax Tour Series grip Fairway: KE4 3W w/KE4 75-R Irons MMB Forged 3-PW w/TT Dynamic Gold Lite Wedges: Testing Vokey SM10 wedges Go here to learn more! Putter: Sycamore 008 Mallet Preferred Ball: TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 50 minutes ago, Irish-Assassin said: The question asked is a good question and it’s a hard answer because out of the pack no one is as consistent as Scotty. So let’s add to the question, would Scotty be number 1 if all the players on the LIV tour still played on the PGA tour? Yes. Just look at the points difference in the owgr rankings. Rahm hasn’t been gone line enough for that type of gap to happen Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish-Assassin Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 And that’s the thing for me, I hate what LIV the Devils Golf did by offering so much temptation money that players couldn’t resist. And we are not talking players that couldn’t be in the hunt on the pga tour. Right now most on the World rankings in the top twenty either play on LIV not getting points and rightly so or they are playing like shower heads. ( Hot and Cold ) The chasing pack are not same level anymore, only people that could put up some kind of game are to inconsistent, Rory, Xander, Wyndham, Morikawa and Homa, maybe add Harmon. I can see Scotty being numbers one for years, he doesn’t have any real challenge unless one of those has a coming to Jesus moment or goes to the crossroads and signs on the dotted line. snoopy79 1 Quote Titleist TRS Driver, Titleist TSR 3 Wood, Titleist TRS 2 Hybrid, Titleist T300 irons, Vokey SM9 wedges 56 - 60, Scotty Cameron putter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotQuite70s Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 13 minutes ago, snoopy79 said: Great analysis here. My two cents, FWIW, is that Scotty is not going to be overtaken anytime soon. But like you mentioned, he will be the one who falls back if it were to happen. The thing I see as the most admirable about Scotty is that he is consistent, and his course management is top-notch. He doesn't have to be a great putter, he just has to be good enough. Ben Hogan was apparently so-so at putting. If you are good enough tee to green (and have Scottie's short game skills) that can get it done. Since he brought on a putting coach, maybe even that aspect of his game will improve and he can further distance himself from the pack. snoopy79 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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