Javs Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Callaway has the new light weight Paradym Star which might be an option for those moderate swingers out there! Fred Mitchell and cksurfdude 2 Quote Play like a champion today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek74 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 On 8/17/2023 at 4:44 PM, richk9holes said: I just noticed these for the 1st time, I'll go ahead and say I'm intrigued to try one of the 009 mini in a single bend graphite shaft. I have the 002 Mid-Mallet and love it. That forged block of steel feels great, even on slight mishits. And the price can't be beat for a fully forged/milled putter. cksurfdude 1 Quote In My Sun Mountain C-130 'merica Cart Bag: Driver: Stealth+ Rocket 3W, 13.5* turned down to 12.75*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX, 75g Fairway: 949x 3w, 15*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX, 70g Fairway: 949x 5w, 18*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Blue RDX, 60g Hybrid: 939x 4H (21*), Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Black, 90g Irons: 101's, 5-PW, DG120 S300 Wedges: 286 @ 50*, JBFG @ 54* & 60*, DG120 S300 Putter: 002 Mid-Mallet @ 35", Super Stroke Pistol GT 2.0, Desert Camo Ball: Tour & Testing Vero X1 Technology: H4 w/ Tags, Pro L2 Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fongle Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 2023 Apex CB's look damned pretty. Definitely thinking about those cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver - King SZ 1w 7.5° w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 110MSI 60x Woods - King SZ Big Tour 3w 13.5° w/ Fujikura Pro 65, King SZ 5w 20° w/ Tensei CK White 70 Driving Iron - King Utility 2i 16° w/ Project X Hzrdus Black 85 Irons - Apex '24 Combo set - 4i Pro, 5i-8i CB, 9i-10i MB w/ KBS Tour V 120 X-Stiff Wedges - MD5 Jaws 52° - S 10° grind, 56° - C 8° grind, 60° - C 8° grind w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner Tour Issue 115 Putter(s) - O-Works 2 Ball Black, Big Bertha Warbird, Special Select Squareback 2.0, Red X2, Bullseye Original Flange SC, Bullseye Standard Flange SC, OG Bronze Anser, Method Midnight 007, R.Mendralla 8802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek74 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 After reading the member reviewed post about Srixon ZX5/ZX7 combo irons, I can't stop thinking about Srixon irons. I've always wanted to try them, along with Mizuno for their superior feel (from what I hear anyway). I have a full set of Recoil Proto 125 shafts with no heads yet that may be destined for some Srixon irons. If I can find some heads only at a good price. Time to go virtual shopping. KC Golf, GolfSpy_BEN and cksurfdude 3 Quote In My Sun Mountain C-130 'merica Cart Bag: Driver: Stealth+ Rocket 3W, 13.5* turned down to 12.75*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX, 75g Fairway: 949x 3w, 15*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX, 70g Fairway: 949x 5w, 18*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Blue RDX, 60g Hybrid: 939x 4H (21*), Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Black, 90g Irons: 101's, 5-PW, DG120 S300 Wedges: 286 @ 50*, JBFG @ 54* & 60*, DG120 S300 Putter: 002 Mid-Mallet @ 35", Super Stroke Pistol GT 2.0, Desert Camo Ball: Tour & Testing Vero X1 Technology: H4 w/ Tags, Pro L2 Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Thinking about buying a new 60 deg wedge. Looking for a flexible 60 that can be used mostly in a bunker but can also help when short sided in the rough our on a tight lie. Have a Vokey M grind in my head, but I think I should try a newer TM or Callaway. Indi? Edel? Not looking to break the bank. cksurfdude 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javs Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, KC Golf said: Thinking about buying a new 60 deg wedge. Looking for a flexible 60 that can be used mostly in a bunker but can also help when short sided in the rough our on a tight lie. Have a Vokey M grind in my head, but I think I should try a newer TM or Callaway. Indi? Edel? Not looking to break the bank. Sounds like wedge fitting time. KC Golf and cksurfdude 2 Quote Play like a champion today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BEN Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Interested in the ball test results releasing tomorrow, as I am looking to try something new and these results will help me narrow down what that will be. 48 degree gap wedge to go along with the new irons that will be arriving, hopefully soon. TBD on make/model. As happy as I’ve been with the Paradym TD fairway woods, I may look into a 19 or 20 degree hybrid, to use under certain conditions, as the fairways have some adjustability which could give me some flexibility in how I set the bag up cksurfdude, sirchunksalot, KC Golf and 1 other 4 Quote WITB: D: QI-10 core 9* Ventus Blue TR Velocore 6x 3w: Brnr mini driver 13.5 S 3h: G430 19° Tour 2/Stiff 7W: 21° Rogue ST Max LinQ 7X 5i-6i: ZX5 MKII Project X 6.0 7i-PW: ZX7 MKII Project X 6.0 50°, 54° & 58°: Glide Forged Pro P: White Hot Versa DW Ball: Tour BX mindset Bag: Ghost MGS Anyday 14 way "And so, we beat on, boats against the current, borne ceaselessly into the past." - Fitzgerald ” The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.” - Frost "That you are here—that life exists and identity, That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse." - Whitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 35 minutes ago, Ben Joest said: Interested in the ball test results releasing tomorrow, as I am looking to try something new and these results will help me narrow down what that will be. ... Yup, looking forward to reading it. But "looking" is all I'll be doing. I have 4 dozen Maxfli Tours and 5 dozen Kirkland V3's with a mix of 10 already in my bag. With this heat I am lucky to play once a week, so these should last me awhile. KC Golf, cksurfdude, Preeway and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckinfiddle Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Looking at a new putter to replace the Evnroll/Ping Anser. I am putting pretty decent with Ping but it needs a new shaft. Should I go with the most wanted Cleveland or Newport 2? cksurfdude 1 Quote Hate yourself, not the game... In my Vessel bag: King SpeedZone MG 3 Satin RAW black 60° ZX 3 wood SW & GW Black 3-PW EV2 Mid-Lock Prov1x- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Muckinfiddle said: Looking at a new putter to replace the Evnroll/Ping Anser. I am putting pretty decent with Ping but it needs a new shaft. Should I go with the most wanted Cleveland or Newport 2? Why not replace the shaft? as for the Cleveland vs Newport; how much do you want to spend? Steel vs steel or Cleveland with the all in shaft? Personally I’d go Cleveland; I’m over the Cameron fascination cksurfdude and Muckinfiddle 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I listened to a podcast yesterday about putter shaft flex and it makes me want to do some experimentation. While the numbers would probably be very mechanical thinking for analysis I wonder how different flex and weight shafts would influence the feel of the putter. I have done a little of this when I went through a Edel fitting where they placed weight at various places at the grip end. I see stroke lab shafts which are on in the 70 gram weight versus a typical steel at 110-130gr. The biggest difficulty would be setting up the test with a single head. Probably going to see if there is a lightweight steel putter shaft that I can install to see what it does. Wonder if there a a database of putter shaft profiles like there is for regular shafts . Maybe I am overthinking this a little. ZackS, KC Golf and cksurfdude 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 12 hours ago, cnosil said: Why not replace the shaft? as for the Cleveland vs Newport; how much do you want to spend? Steel vs steel or Cleveland with the all in shaft? Personally I’d go Cleveland; I’m over the Cameron fascination You are like Rory, one slight Scotty fascination then back to a TM putter or something else. Sadly we are not earning $4 mm getting rid of our brief Cameron fascination! BTW, I am still sticking with my Scotty.. I still have faith! it’s actually rolling well and on line, I just can’t get the pace right. Putting mediocre short putts… ZackS, cnosil and cksurfdude 2 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, cnosil said: I listened to a podcast yesterday about putter shaft flex and it makes me want to do some experimentation. While the numbers would probably be very mechanical thinking for analysis I wonder how different flex and weight shafts would influence the feel of the putter. I have done a little of this when I went through a Edel fitting where they placed weight at various places at the grip end. I see stroke lab shafts which are on in the 70 gram weight versus a typical steel at 110-130gr. The biggest difficulty would be setting up the test with a single head. Probably going to see if there is a lightweight steel putter shaft that I can install to see what it does. Wonder if there a a database of putter shaft profiles like there is for regular shafts . Maybe I am overthinking this a little. This is really something I would like to try too. These ultra stiff putter shafts have intrigued me too. Weight and stiffness. I have no clue how it might or might not improve my putting. You can never overthink your putter… it’s the key club in your bag. Will be interested to see your results. cnosil and cksurfdude 2 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, KC Golf said: This is really something I would like to try too. These ultra stiff putter shafts have intrigued me too. Weight and stiffness. I have no clue how it might or might not improve my putting. You can never overthink your putter… it’s the key club in your bag. Will be interested to see your results. Here is the podcast I referenced, It isn’t just about the super stiff, but also the more flexible. https://gameimprovementgolf.com/213-making-sense-of-putter-shaft-flex-bruce-rearick-interview/ cksurfdude and KC Golf 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, cnosil said: Here is the podcast I referenced, It isn’t just about the super stiff, but also the more flexible. https://gameimprovementgolf.com/213-making-sense-of-putter-shaft-flex-bruce-rearick-interview/ Great. Thank you! cksurfdude and cnosil 2 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 It’s interesting but I don’t honk any of the fitters near me have a shaft putter fitting as an option. I’m curious if anyone has seen an option like that? cksurfdude 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, cnosil said: I wonder how different flex and weight shafts would influence the feel of the putter. There was a related article on Plugged In Golf recently about this - they tested .. at Club Champion and with different testers of different playing abilities .. different weight putter shafts (not sure about flex) and their conclusion was, yes, different weights did affect the putting stroke and therefore the make %tge. See... https://pluggedingolf.com/does-putter-shaft-weight-matter-golf-myths-unplugged/ Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, KC Golf said: It’s interesting but I don’t honk any of the fitters near me have a shaft putter fitting as an option. I’m curious if anyone has seen an option like that? Haven’t seen it anywhere. Except for Edel putter shafts are typically bonded and can’t easily be swapped. 12 minutes ago, cksurfdude said: There was a related article on Plugged In Golf recently about this - they tested .. at Club Champion and with different testers of different playing abilities .. different weight putter shafts (not sure about flex) and their conclusion was, yes, different weights did affect the putting stroke and therefore the make %tge. See... https://pluggedingolf.com/does-putter-shaft-weight-matter-golf-myths-unplugged/ I’ve read that article, kind of more interested in flex aspect. Weight would be tied more to moving weight from the shaft and under the hands….basically like stroke lab. KC Golf and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, cksurfdude said: There was a related article on Plugged In Golf recently about this - they tested .. at Club Champion and with different testers of different playing abilities .. different weight putter shafts (not sure about flex) and their conclusion was, yes, different weights did affect the putting stroke and therefore the make %tge. See... https://pluggedingolf.com/does-putter-shaft-weight-matter-golf-myths-unplugged/ ... Other than a purely mechanical stroke, most putting styles work best with the right balance. Weighting plays a role as does head weight and counter balancing. I hold my putter so lightly it can be pulled from my hands with minimal effort. I let my arms hang naturally so there is no manipulation, just a simple mini swing back and forward. Without a decnt amount of toe hang, the putter simply won't work for me. I also prefer a heavier putter since I let the weight basically swing itself like a pendulum. When I pick up a putter, with one practice stroke I instantly know if it has a good balance for me. Not only by feel, but the head will travel on a arc path without wavering off the line, while a putter that isn't well balanced for my stroke will have the head wandering off it's line almost immediately. ... If you can find the style of putter that works best with your unique putting stroke, a faux straight back straight through (no such thing as a true SBST) a slight arc or a heavy arc, you will be able to putt your best. I know some go back and forth between styles and that is a recipe for struggling on the greens. Fred Mitchell, ejgaudette, Jim Shaw and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shaw Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 32 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Other than a purely mechanical stroke, most putting styles work best with the right balance. Weighting plays a role as does head weight and counter balancing. I hold my putter so lightly it can be pulled from my hands with minimal effort. I let my arms hang naturally so there is no manipulation, just a simple mini swing back and forward. Without a decnt amount of toe hang, the putter simply won't work for me. I also prefer a heavier putter since I let the weight basically swing itself like a pendulum. When I pick up a putter, with one practice stroke I instantly know if it has a good balance for me. Not only by feel, but the head will travel on a arc path without wavering off the line, while a putter that isn't well balanced for my stroke will have the head wandering off it's line almost immediately. ... If you can find the style of putter that works best with your unique putting stroke, a faux straight back straight through (no such thing as a true SBST) a slight arc or a heavy arc, you will be able to putt your best. I know some go back and forth between styles and that is a recipe for struggling on the greens. well said... cksurfdude and KC Golf 2 Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckinfiddle Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 10 hours ago, cnosil said: Why not replace the shaft? as for the Cleveland vs Newport; how much do you want to spend? Steel vs steel or Cleveland with the all in shaft? Personally I’d go Cleveland; I’m over the Cameron fascination I might get the shaft replaced. I have read where it is a odd hosel diameter. I like my putter quite a bit but I would consider something else that feels right. I'm just not sure if I can upgrade the shaft in the Ping. I need to sell my Evnroll mid lock before I do anything. cksurfdude 1 Quote Hate yourself, not the game... In my Vessel bag: King SpeedZone MG 3 Satin RAW black 60° ZX 3 wood SW & GW Black 3-PW EV2 Mid-Lock Prov1x- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Muckinfiddle said: I might get the shaft replaced. I have read where it is an odd hosel diameter. I like my putter quite a bit but I would consider something else that feels right. I'm just not sure if I can upgrade the shaft in the Ping. I need to sell my Evnroll mid lock before I do anything. Pings do have odd shaft diameters; .345 I think. You could always call Ping and see if they will send you a replacement shaft or if you could send it to them. cksurfdude and Muckinfiddle 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 17 hours ago, chisag said: ... Other than a purely mechanical stroke, most putting styles work best with the right balance. Weighting plays a role as does head weight and counter balancing. I hold my putter so lightly it can be pulled from my hands with minimal effort. I let my arms hang naturally so there is no manipulation, just a simple mini swing back and forward. Without a decnt amount of toe hang, the putter simply won't work for me. I also prefer a heavier putter since I let the weight basically swing itself like a pendulum. When I pick up a putter, with one practice stroke I instantly know if it has a good balance for me. Not only by feel, but the head will travel on a arc path without wavering off the line, while a putter that isn't well balanced for my stroke will have the head wandering off it's line almost immediately. The podcast I listened to about putter shaft flex supported exactly what you are saying. I think the balance you describe is also created by the flex in the shaft. Even purely mechanical strokes need a certain balance and feel….this feel is often the stiffer feel provided by the stability shafts. The person being interviewed worked for Arnold Palmer and talked about how he experimented with shafts and weights to get the right feel and “balance”. He also got into the TP Mills pencil shafts and Cameron YSC shaft and the feel they created and how all the variables of a putter fit together to create what a player wants and how the stroke is altered if it isn’t. chisag and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckinfiddle Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, cnosil said: Pings do have odd shaft diameters; .345 I think. You could always call Ping and see if they will send you a replacement shaft or if you could send it to them. I was going to check in with Ping about it. I thought I read it was .395 but I really don't remember. I also like the idea of something new and shiny.... Edited August 29, 2023 by Muckinfiddle cksurfdude and cnosil 2 Quote Hate yourself, not the game... In my Vessel bag: King SpeedZone MG 3 Satin RAW black 60° ZX 3 wood SW & GW Black 3-PW EV2 Mid-Lock Prov1x- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Muckinfiddle said: I was going to check in with Ping about it. I thought I read it was .395 but I really don't remember. I also like the idea of something new and shiny.... I think Cameron’s are the .395. When I contacted Ping about putter tip size in the past the one I was asking about was .345…it was smaller than typical becuase i considered sanding the tip down. Muckinfiddle, cksurfdude and KC Golf 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackS Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) Thinking about iron shafts. Also can't stop thinking about my new putter. I need it to arrive before I go crazy Edited August 29, 2023 by ZackS cksurfdude and KC Golf 2 Quote WITB: Driver: Titleist TSR3 with TPT Nitro 15Hi 5 wood: Calloway Paradym Triple Diamond with TPT Power 15Lo Driving Iron: Tour Edge Exotics EXS Ti-Utility Hybrid: PXG 0317X Gen2 hybrid with TPT Power 15Lo Irons: Takomo 101T with Nippon Modus 120 shafts Wedges: Celveland RTX4 50 Degree, Calloway Jaws Raw 58 degree Z grind and 54 degree S grind Putter: Edel EAS 4.0 Ball: Srixon Z Star Diamond / Z Star XV Official 2024 TPT Shaft Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, cnosil said: I think Cameron’s are the .395. When I contacted Ping about putter tip size in the past the one I was asking about was .345…it was smaller than typical becuase i considered sanding the tip down. I have a straight stock shaft on my Scotty, so I hadn’t thought about shaft tip diameter. Do you have to buy a tip to fit all these after market shafts? Some clearly say they don’t fit a Scotty. cksurfdude 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckinfiddle Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, KC Golf said: I have a straight stock shaft on my Scotty, so I hadn’t thought about shaft tip diameter. Do you have to buy a tip to fit all these after market shafts? Some clearly say they don’t fit a Scotty. I don't know of any tip for putters like that, that would not be cumbersome. You could mill your putter out, but I'm not sure that would be a good idea. cksurfdude and KC Golf 1 1 Quote Hate yourself, not the game... In my Vessel bag: King SpeedZone MG 3 Satin RAW black 60° ZX 3 wood SW & GW Black 3-PW EV2 Mid-Lock Prov1x- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Muckinfiddle said: I don't know of any tip for putters like that, that would not be cumbersome. You could mill your putter out, but I'm not sure that would be a good idea. Thanks. Definitely not drilling out a Scotty head to test various shafts. Not remotely handy or brave enough to try that! cksurfdude 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, KC Golf said: I have a straight stock shaft on my Scotty, so I hadn’t thought about shaft tip diameter. Do you have to buy a tip to fit all these after market shafts? Some clearly say they don’t fit a Scotty. It depends on the putter, the all graphite shafts are mostly .370 since most putters use this tip size. Some have a .355 option but that is rarer; I think Cameron’s are a mix of .355 and .390 depending on hosel type. With the shaftsthat come with a steel tip you can either buy the right size tip or cut the shaft you currently have and epoxy the stub onto the end. IF buying from an official reseller they would be able to help identify the right size for your putter or get a set of digital calipers and measure, the other consideration is if the shaft is inserted or fits over a post. There aren’t any all graphite that are shaft over hosel. LA Golf makes a SOHO graphite shaft but that has a steel core wrapped in graphite. cksurfdude and KC Golf 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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