deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 My golfing journey has recently brought me to persimmon woods and the enjoyment that comes from playing hand crafted wood clubs. There is nothing more satisfying than hitting one “on the screws”. Well, being a woodworking tinkerer, I’ve been absorbing as much info on the refinishing and repair of classic wood clubs as well as picking up neglected clubs in need of a little tlc. This one, a 1950’s era Macgregor M65 3-wood, deserved a much better fate, so I decided to get it tuned up and back out on the course. Here she is as found And as she looks today, ready for another round. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 And the sole, before:And after:Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 That's some really lovely work. I'm sure it's very satisfying to take the work of your hands to the course and put it into play. TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Thanks mpatrickriley. I really love finding discarded or neglected items (golf clubs, guitars) and making them useful again. It would have been an absolute shame if this club was tossed in the garbage. It has so many rounds left in it and will hopefully be on a course somewhere long after I’m gone.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Beautiful work deejaid! The sole pics are pretty striking. Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Beautiful work deejaid! The sole pics are pretty striking. Thanks Chemclub! The sole plate is brass which is very easy to work with. In my guitar building I make my own brass pickguards and usually age them to give a nice patina, but it shines up very easily too.The hardest part was the whipping. Just finding it was hard enough, but whipping the club takes a little bit of practice and a homemade jig. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbdors Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I started playing golf in the later 90's so never had a chance to play with "woods". I should at least try them they look sweet. Woods: Rogue ST Max LS 9*, Ventus Blue 6S / Stealth Plus+, 15*, MCA Diamana Thump 75S Hybrid: 0317 X Proto 3H & 4H, Ventus Blue 7S Irons: Takomo IRON 101 5-PW, Accra T90i S Wedges: CBX ZipCore 48*, Accra T90i, 53* & 58*, Accra T100i S Putter: ER1.2, 355g, Tour GPS, 33" w/ Mid Slim 2.0 Ball: Maxfli Tour Bag/Cart: Fairway 14 Stand Bag / 4.0 / Alphard Club Booster V2, Swivel kit Accessories: 360 / Garmin G80 / Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srooch2 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I have a set in my attic, I need to take them out and try em. Have you ever thought of building one from scratch? I'm sure it's not as easy as it sounds but would be a fun project. Ping G410 LST 10.5 w/ Fujikura Motore F3 60X Callaway X2 Hot 2 Deep 12.5* Adams XTD LSP 23* hybrid Aldila rogue black 85X Nike VR Pro II Blades 5-PW w/ Modus 120X Nike Wedges PXG Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 I started playing golf in the later 90's so never had a chance to play with "woods". I should at least try them they look sweet.You’d be surprised how much fun they can be. Give it a shot.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 I have a set in my attic, I need to take them out and try em. Have you ever thought of building one from scratch? I'm sure it's not as easy as it sounds but would be a fun project. Pull them out of the attic and give them a whirl. I’ll admit, I’ve lost about 20 yards with my persimmon driver but my accuracy has improved dramatically. As for the fairway woods, I haven’t really noticed any distance loss at all.As for building one from scratch, I actually have found a place online that sells persimmon blocks that would be perfect to hand carve into some club heads. Haven’t felt the urge to go that route yet.I do have a few unfinished heads that will be getting some very special paint jobs.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbdors Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, deejaid said: You’d be surprised how much fun they can be. Give it a shot. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I may do just that. I remember I had a boss back with I started, he said it just couldnt hit those "metal woods". Woods: Rogue ST Max LS 9*, Ventus Blue 6S / Stealth Plus+, 15*, MCA Diamana Thump 75S Hybrid: 0317 X Proto 3H & 4H, Ventus Blue 7S Irons: Takomo IRON 101 5-PW, Accra T90i S Wedges: CBX ZipCore 48*, Accra T90i, 53* & 58*, Accra T100i S Putter: ER1.2, 355g, Tour GPS, 33" w/ Mid Slim 2.0 Ball: Maxfli Tour Bag/Cart: Fairway 14 Stand Bag / 4.0 / Alphard Club Booster V2, Swivel kit Accessories: 360 / Garmin G80 / Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 This is so cool. I wish I had the talent (and patience) for woodworking. Thanks for sharing. This truly is art in its purest form. Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 This is so cool. I wish I had the talent (and patience) for woodworking. Thanks for sharing. This truly is art in its purest form. Thanks GB13!Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 That looks gorgeous. Did you do anything with the stamping? I have an old MacGregor Tommy Armour driver that my dad had refinished, and the guy ruined the stamping trying to deepen it. What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 That looks gorgeous. Did you do anything with the stamping? I have an old MacGregor Tommy Armour driver that my dad had refinished, and the guy ruined the stamping trying to deepen it. Thanks Hardcore. After staining I sealed the head in Nitrocellulose lacquer and after a few coats built up I did need to deepen the stamping on top, though it was mostly just cleaning the new nitro out of the stamping before the paint fill. On the sole I just left the stamping alone. The factory correct finish would have had the model # stamping on the bottom paintfilled white I believe. You can clearly read what it says and I just think it looks better without the fill. Bummer about your dads club, but perhaps it could be fixed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesedw Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Looks great DJ.. I'm glad you found your happy place.. Sent from my SM-G900V using MyGolfSpy mobile app Dave- Follow me on twitter @GolfCrazyWA and on Instagram @GolfcrazyWA WITB: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag Titleist TSR3 Hzrdus Black 65g shaft Cobra F8+ 3wd Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra 3 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra 4 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra F8 irons 5-GW KBS tour 90 stiff shafts Cobra King Black Wedge 54* Cleveland RTX Zipcore Wedge 58* Snake Eyes Viper Putter. Ball: Taylormade TP-5X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Great work out there DJ! You have some serious talent and it's awesome to see such a profound respect and commitment given to the proper restoration of these old work horses. FYI, I play with a buddy of mine that still bags a persimmon 3w, MacGregor I believe similar to yours. He really hits that thing well and unless it comes unraveled, I don't see him ever replacing it In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Well, I just find all this very interesting. I was really surprised when I kept reading and came upon the photo with all the raw heads on the bench. Turnings? I'm curious to know Deejaid if you have the equipment to measure and determine the various specs for the heads. I know very little about such but I have watched a Wishon Video a few times where he discusses how "woods" were bored in the old days to set the loft and lie angles. Are you familiar with this? If not I think I can find it again. I won't post it unless you approve first. It's interesting. Keep us up to date and perhaps you can show us how you go about doing this work. Perhaps a video and photo series? Thanks and nice work. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 The hardest part was the whipping. Just finding it was hard enough, but whipping the club takes a little bit of practice and a homemade jig. Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI wonder if some people don't know what whipping is??? That looks good though you did one heck of a good jobSent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullldog Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wonder if some people don't know what whipping is??? That looks good though you did one heck of a good jobSent from my SM-G950U using TapatalkIts what my Dad used to give me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wonder if some people don't know what whipping is??? That looks good though you did one heck of a good jobSent from my SM-G950U using TapatalkYou are right Tommc23. Whipping is the nylon thread wrapped around the hosel or neck of the wood where it meets the shaft. Here is a pic of the whipping I have and the jig I use to do the whipping, which is just a couple pieces of scrap wood with 1 1/4” holes drilled into it held in a vise. I can then turn the club to wind the whipping around.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Well, I just find all this very interesting. I was really surprised when I kept reading and came upon the photo with all the raw heads on the bench. Turnings? I'm curious to know Deejaid if you have the equipment to measure and determine the various specs for the heads. I know very little about such but I have watched a Wishon Video a few times where he discusses how "woods" were bored in the old days to set the loft and lie angles. Are you familiar with this? If not I think I can find it again. I won't post it unless you approve first. It's interesting. Keep us up to date and perhaps you can show us how you go about doing this work. Perhaps a video and photo series? Thanks and nice work.I can’t remember if I’ve seen Tom Wishons video or not. I have seen some videos on changing the lie angle on old woods but I’m not sure if I’ve seen Tom’s.I do have a Golfworks protractor ordered so I can measure the loft of the clubs, that will be here this week.Some of the other tools I used just happened to be ones I bought for guitar building.For example, the scoring lines neededto be deepened after sanding the club face but a normal hacksaw had too wide of a kerf. I just happened to have a fret saw for guitar frets that was the perfect .020” wide kerf and it worked perfect.Another guitar tool I had was a set of radius gauges to measure guitar neck radius. They are perfect for measuring the bulge and roll of a persimmon wood face.My beautiful blonde set of Stan Thompson’s that are now in my bag we’re starting to lose their lead back weight, so a trip to Walmart for some lead fishing sinkers and a lead ladle off amazon were needed. I built a dam around the cavity with modeling clay, melted the lead with a torch and poured it in. A little peening to set it in place and it was good to go.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I can’t remember if I’ve seen Tom Wishons video or not. I have seen some videos on changing the lie angle on old woods but I’m not sure if I’ve seen Tom’s.I do have a Golfworks protractor ordered so I can measure the loft of the clubs, that will be here this week.Some of the other tools I used just happened to be ones I bought for guitar building.For example, the scoring lines neededto be deepened after sanding the club face but a normal hacksaw had too wide of a kerf. I just happened to have a fret saw for guitar frets that was the perfect .020” wide kerf and it worked perfect.Another guitar tool I had was a set of radius gauges to measure guitar neck radius. They are perfect for measuring the bulge and roll of a persimmon wood face.My beautiful blonde set of Stan Thompson’s that are now in my bag we’re starting to lose their lead back weight, so a trip to Walmart for some lead fishing sinkers and a lead ladle off amazon were needed. I built a dam around the cavity with modeling clay, melted the lead with a torch and poured it in. A little peening to set it in place and it was good to go.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNice move using the clay.Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Deejaid, I'll look some for the Wishon videos and send the links to you through a private message. I did watch one earlier this morning after reading your original post. It's somewhat technical but you'll find it interesting. The other one I'm thinking about had Tom using a wood head and discussing the bore angle in the hosel. He really has good information. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Good work as usual DJ---- Amazing the guitar tools and even the saw could be adapted to golf clubs. I remember one time way back when I grooved out an old Northwestern 6 wood> I actually carefully ground down a hacksaw blade and it worked on that. Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 This thread is just fantastic! Damn that whipping looks tedious. So why persimmon wood in the first place? Is it just known to be really hard and light? Why not oak heads? Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 This thread is just fantastic! Damn that whipping looks tedious. So why persimmon wood in the first place? Is it just known to be really hard and light? Why not oak heads? Good question. I think persimmon was chosen because it has great impact resistance. It won’t deform or dent when used to hit an object. And yeah, the whipping can be a pain but it’s not to bad. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyHawk Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I have quite a few experienced "wood" clubs I'd like to give it a go at breathing life back into. Where do I start to get some idea how? Chris Far and Sure...... GBB Epic 11* GBB Epic 7W (Heavenwood) : G410 4 thru GW MD3 54*,60* Huntington Beach Soft #4 Tour B RX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 I have quite a few experienced "wood" clubs I'd like to give it a go at breathing life back into. Where do I start to get some idea how? ChrisChris, here is a link to the first of a series of videos that explains the entire process. Personally I found the polyurethane-dipped finish to be too thick for 1950’s era clubs so I went with Nitrocellulose lacquer on the M65 a showed here.Once I’m finished with my honey-do list remodeling the bathroom right now maybe I will make a thread documenting the entire process.Good luck!Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Very impressive work. G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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