Ben Hogan mark Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 For me I have to practice, practice, practice with a lob wedge to maintain the ability to use it in play. As long as I am putting in the practice the results shows on the course. tony@CIC 1 Quote D G30 3W coming soon 5W G30 Irons Ptx 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 42,46 degrees PW TK 50 degree SW Rotex 2.0 56 degree LW Rotex 2.0 60 degree P Sigma G Anser Ball 1 Tour Response Ball 2 Mtb-x Bag 1 Mini Tour Bag 2 Stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Id say a 58 is still a lob wedge. We're only talking 2 degrees of difference here. While I do agree that a 58 is a little more forgiving than a 60 is, there isnt that much difference. For a couple years I played a set of Mizuno JPX 800s, which have stronger lofts (I believe the PW was 45 and the GW was 50), so I played a 54/58 wedge setup. It worked out OK but I often found that I had a hole between the GW and 54 and the 54 and 58. I felt like I always had to lay off of the 54 or try to muscle up on the 58, which was never a good idea. Thats why you have to select wedge lofts based upon the distances that you often find yourself in, not just to fit certain gaps into your set, IMO. Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I’ve dropped my 60* lob wedge since I posted last Fall. It’s very satisfying when I pull it off, but my regular course is all tight lies except rough, and if I blade a chip with the 60* it usually costs me 2 strokes. And there’s no reason to use it unless I’m short sided, so I chip with an 8 iron where possible as a bladed 8 might still be on the green but certainly much closer than a 60*. And I can use my 56* in a pinch, so the 60* has been benched. tony@CIC 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrumble Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I’ve also found that to be consistent with a higher loft wedge you need to hit chips and pitches like little cuts. The slightly out-to-in path takes the leading edge out of the shot. Very difficult to have and in-to-in swing path with a wedge, and in-to-out is blade territory. Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycleguy55 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 17 hours ago, tony@CIC said: That's a good point. My gap wedge is a 48*, which btw works great for me (my PW 48*) so next naturally the next wedge up was a 52* Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy My set is 52/56/60, but the gap from my 45 deg PW to 52 deg AW is more than those gaps, so a better set for me is probably 50/55/60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 For many years I carried 3 wedges topping out at 58*. Always loved playing the 58*, but with such a low bounce, it cost me a lot of strokes. Finally went back to going with a 52*/56* setup. MDGolfHacker gregh729 1 Quote What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manimal26 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 10/1/2019 at 9:45 AM, gregh729 said: Might be time for me to drop the lob wedge. Several years ago, I went 54/58 with wedges. I only use the 58 for sand or very specialized chips. I played with a friend the other day who has never used a lob wedge and is a wizard with a standard 56*. I think the 56 would give me more options around the green with a 52 as my main chipping club. I tend to cut my chips, so a little less spin/extra roll would be good. If nothing else, it'll give me something to play around with for the last 2 months of the season Wedges I feel are separate from the rest of my bag and I do not include PW since I look it more like a 10 iron. When I switch to my 52/56/60 they all do certain things at specific times. I however would never base my choice on what someone else uses. Just because they are a wizard does not mean I can do the same thing they can. I would also never trade my LW for a club at the top because the times i need the lw are for scoring opportunities and I would rather be in between off the tee and hit one extra club on my next shot than need the lw to get up and down or make a great approach into a green. Just my thoughts, but maybe do a wedge fitting once things open back up Quote Driver: SIM 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-XC 6X Woods: TSi2 16.5, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Hybrid: G410 3&4H, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 95X Irons: T-100 3-PW, Nippon Modus 120 X Wedges: T20, DG TI S400, 50/56/60 Putter: ER1.2 W/BGT Stability Shaft Ball: ProV1X-Optic Yellow Bag: Pioneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I use 50, 54 and 58 wedges. My 58 hates me. I keep it in the bag hoping it will see the light...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowNLow Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/8/2020 at 11:27 PM, cycleguy55 said: I play 52, 56 and 60 deg wedges, with the 56 being the SW. I find the 60 great to have when my game is 'on', but nothing but trouble if I'm even the slightest but 'off' or 'rusty'. It's also got enough bounce that it's nothing but trouble on any kind of hardpan, so it's best left in the bag around that stuff. I don't recall the last time I used it in a trap, but it's handy to have around the greens when it's working. Me too. The 60 has to be used very wisely, else disaster is the result. Blade, chunk, cha, cha, cha. Have much better results with the 56, and as the years go by, I am using it 99% of the time. The 60 is feeling very neglected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 A high or even medium bounce 60º can't be hit from forward in the stance as one would want to play a high, vertically landing shot. You have to keep hands forward with high bounce from a tight lie, and that's not the shot that you're playing. Keep the bounce at 3 or 4º and suddenly the sixty lob isn't so hard to hit. Quote Louisville Golf Persimmon___2, 4, 5, 7-woods Titleist U-505___driving iron [bent from 18 to 19º] Titleist T-100___#s5-9 irons Titleist T-150___48°W-----Titleist SM-10___54-08, 60-04 wedges____True Temper Dynamic Gold R-300 [13] Golf Pride Tour Wrap 2G [13] Louisville Golf Amby-Dex___putter Titleist Pro V1x___ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, RetiredBoomer said: A high or even medium bounce 60º can't be hit from forward in the stance as one would want to play a high, vertically landing shot. You have to keep hands forward with high bounce from a tight lie, and that's not the shot that you're playing. Keep the bounce at 3 or 4º and suddenly the sixty lob isn't so hard to hit. I disagree. I always play my Callaway 60 PM Grind with 12º bounce center to a little forward in my stance, and I have no trouble hitting a lob shot; and I'm playing from tight, firm lies. The sole grind has a lot of influence on the shots you can play, and you need a shallow AoA. If you tell someone like me with a flat swing that I need 3 or 4º of bounce, then every shot will dig too much. Bounce is your friend. tony@CIC 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Kenny B said: I disagree. I always play my Callaway 60 PM Grind with 12º bounce center to a little forward in my stance, and I have no trouble hitting a lob shot Same here with my EYE2 - middle to slightly forward. This is one of the best clubs in my bag Kenny B 1 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kenny B said: I disagree. I always play my Callaway 60 PM Grind with 12º bounce center to a little forward in my stance, and I have no trouble hitting a lob shot; and I'm playing from tight, firm lies. The sole grind has a lot of influence on the shots you can play, and you need a shallow AoA. If you tell someone like me with a flat swing that I need 3 or 4º of bounce, then every shot will dig too much. Bounce is your friend. Bounce isn't my friend when it doesn't let me get the leading edge all the way down on a soft shot. A shallow angle of attack leaves the leading edge hitting high on the ball when you have too much bounce. You need a steep angle of attack to get the leading edge down and that's not the shot that your playing. How does a shallow angle of attack allow the club to dig? The ball is forward in your stance so your swing has leveled out; it's almost like hitting a driver off the deck. I learned the shot in 1978 when the lob wedge was first introduced, and the shot as I learned then specifically called for a minimal bounce wedge. The ball lands as if it were a parachute, steeply vertical. You'll notice that Vokey and Cleveland both offer very low bounce sixties for those who play the shot that I'm talking about. The RTX4 still offers a very low bounce 58, but Vokey dropped it going from the SM7 to the SM8. Edited April 11, 2020 by RetiredBoomer Quote Louisville Golf Persimmon___2, 4, 5, 7-woods Titleist U-505___driving iron [bent from 18 to 19º] Titleist T-100___#s5-9 irons Titleist T-150___48°W-----Titleist SM-10___54-08, 60-04 wedges____True Temper Dynamic Gold R-300 [13] Golf Pride Tour Wrap 2G [13] Louisville Golf Amby-Dex___putter Titleist Pro V1x___ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrumble Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I use my 56* with 12* of bounce for flop shots off hardpan when I’m making bets with my buddies. Open it up to darn near parallel to the ground, which increases the bounce, then play it like a wristy cut shot where you let the clubhead pass your hands under the ball. It can be done. Not for the weak-kneed or with windows behind the target. RetiredBoomer 1 Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 In configuring a set, I prioritize having the club I want for every specific shot OVER having even gaps at every distance. I have loft overlaps like a driving iron and fairway wood of nearly the same loft so I have both the specific shots that I want. I just choke down if I'm in between clubs, because having the kind of club that I want is more important. This probably influences the way I play, but I HAVE to have a very low bounce wedge for finesse shots, and I also like a wedge with a very curved leading edge specifically for greenside bunkers. zrumble 1 Quote Louisville Golf Persimmon___2, 4, 5, 7-woods Titleist U-505___driving iron [bent from 18 to 19º] Titleist T-100___#s5-9 irons Titleist T-150___48°W-----Titleist SM-10___54-08, 60-04 wedges____True Temper Dynamic Gold R-300 [13] Golf Pride Tour Wrap 2G [13] Louisville Golf Amby-Dex___putter Titleist Pro V1x___ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrumble Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Then again I was playing a 14 club challenge with some guys, where you can only use each club once, and I hit a bad shot under the greenside bunker shortsided to the flag. My playing partner about pissed himself laughing when I flopped an 8 iron to 12 feet. I’ve got a long flat swing with a lot of wrist timing. So I’ve always been good at making shots happen, and bad at keeping it in the fairway. Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, RetiredBoomer said: Bounce isn't my friend when it doesn't let me get the leading edge all the way down on a soft shot. A shallow angle of attack leaves the leading edge hitting high on the ball when you have too much bounce. You need a steep angle of attack to get the leading edge down and that's not the shot that your playing. How does a shallow angle of attack allow the club to dig? The ball is forward in your stance so your swing has leveled out; it's almost like hitting a driver off the deck. I learned the shot in 1978 when the lob wedge was first introduced, and the shot as I learned then specifically called for a minimal bounce wedge. The ball lands as if it were a parachute, steeply vertical. You'll notice that Vokey and Cleveland both offer very low bounce sixties for those who play the shot that I'm talking about. The RTX4 still offers a very low bounce 58, but Vokey dropped it going from the SM7 to the SM8. I have no problem keeping the leading edge down to hit a high shot. I've tried low bounce wedges and with a shallow AoA there is a high risk of chunks. Everyone is different in how they play shots and what types of clubs work best for their shot. There is NO one way that a shot can be played. cnosil, RetiredBoomer and silver & black 3 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulledabill Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I play a high a Vokey SM7 58 (12) and it's great until I get on some of the nicer courses I play during tournament play. I'm steep and I play in generally a wetter environment than many of you, so my grind, swing, and bounce works until I get tighter lies. I've been playing a few different lower bounce 60's and haven't fallen in love as of yet. I could probably save money and flatten my swing and stay with the 58, but as I look as others WITB, I might play around with a 62 or even a 64 for green side play and under 50 yards. I will probably end up with two sets of wedges eventually if I can't flatten out as bit. What I am saying is don't give up and play with some different bounces and grinds in different conditions. There is a reason many top players use a lob wedge. Practice, bounce, and concentration is your friend. Quote DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5 Tensei AV Blue 65g 3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff 5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana Redboard w/band Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees, SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider Ball-ProV1 and AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregh729 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 I've actually surprised myself and not bought much during my shutdown. However, I now have 4 sets of wedges Ping Tour 54/58 Titleist 54F/58D (or 58K) Callaway MD4 54S (bent to 53)/ 58W Taylor Made 52/56 It's going to be a few more weeks until I can get out again. Lots of testing to be done! Quote Mavrik Max, 9* Stealth 15* / 18* Rogue 4H, 21* Steelhead XR 5-AW RTX ZipCore 52* / 56* White Hot Versa Seven S , 35" Many other putters in the bullpen waiting for call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopMatty Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I love wedges. I used to carry a 52, 56, 60, and 64. I dropped the 64. It's tough to hit and I can do just fine with my 60, which is one of my favorite clubs. Vokey SM7 Quote G410+ 9° Stiff F9 3W i210 4-Pw Stiff 3H Vokey SM7 52, 56, 60 Sigma Zstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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