azstu324 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I've always been a firm believer that the backswing makes the golf shot. Whenever my backswing is right, little seems to go wrong with the execution of the shot. My backswing is pretty deliberate. I try not to lose the connection between my hands and the club so I keep my grip light and really try to work with my hips and lower body. Not too steep, nor too flat. I try to make a fluid transition to with a good solid compression and follow through. Tonight while practicing I was hitting more thin shots than I like. When I'm hitting thin, I know I'm getting into a sway that just puts me slightly out of position. I decided to get a little funky and try a shorter, quicker backswing. In my mind it was something in between Rahm and Finau. I'm sure it was probably much different but it's just how it felt compared to my normal swing. What I started seeing was that I was holding my position better. I was making fewer long movements and by working in a shorter and tighter fashion, I was making more consistent contact for effortless compressing and a nice flowing follow through. My trigger feeling to start the downswing was when my left arm felt parallel to the ground. Now keep in mind that my shoulders and hips end up perpendicular to the target line so it's not just a lazy swing. The trajectory seemed a hair lower which I actually liked and was seeing a very straight flight. As opposed to my usual fade. No difference in distance at all and I was having great results all throughout the bag. My question to the forum is if anybody has employed a similar swing change with success? Is it a sustainable change that could yield good repeating results? I will add that tonight was on a mat with the launch monitors. Tomorrow morning I'll be hitting off of grass at the range while Kaylen is Having her lessons. I'm interested to see how this new swing translates to the grass. To be continued... the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get.. Kenny B, tommc23, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote PXG 0311 Gen 5 9°/ Fujikura MotoreX F1 6X F6 3 Wood 14* / Kuro Kage Silver 65X F8 6 wood 20* / Fujikura MotoreX F3 6S RADSpeed Hybrid 24* TS1 4-GW / FCM Precision 6.5 Rifle TSW Wedge - 56/12 EAS 1.0 / Grip master 2.0 MAXFLI Tour CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I've done it before, and its always a temporary fix. It produces better shots temporarily at times, because i think it helps my sequencing, but my swing is still flawed with the quicker tempo, shorter backswing. And its still actually pretty long even though it feels short. tommc23 and azstu324 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Interested in this. I think I tried once and it helped me. Just took some swings in the house and I felt smoother. I think for people that over rotate or start to sway, thinking of stoping your swing at left parallel is a good thing since you likely then make a full swing with no over rotation. In one of Monte’s video, he tells a student to only swing to left parallel and turned out he then was making a normal rotation swing. azstu324 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 That was one of the first things I worked on when I got lessons. Feeling like my hands go no higher than my hips on my backswing actually has my hands at shoulder height and the club in a good position. When I go further than that I'm way past parallel, and my body doesn't really synch up. As far as speed... when I try to go faster I spray the ball because my transition gets really jerky and yanky. That's just me. azstu324 1 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I've done this and it was also a temporary fix for me. When I felt like I was at parallel I was actually beyond it. I honestly don't focus on my backswing distance much or ever but when I do it's still longer than it feels azstu324 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I've been doing this for years, but it's from old age. It's actually an efficient, powerful move that may be beneficial to players who over-rotate in the backswing; less time to come OTT so straighter shots. Keep practicing... you'll be ready when in your 70's. azstu324 and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azstu324 Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Kenny B said: I've been doing this for years, but it's from old age. It's actually an efficient, powerful move that may be beneficial to players who over-rotate in the backswing; less time to come OTT so straighter shots. Keep practicing... you'll be ready when in your 70's. Hey man I'm 41.. with the body of a 70 yr old.. Aches and pains from lots and lots of teen through 30's dumbassery are beginning to show up to say "hey, remember me?" silver & black and Kenny B 2 Quote PXG 0311 Gen 5 9°/ Fujikura MotoreX F1 6X F6 3 Wood 14* / Kuro Kage Silver 65X F8 6 wood 20* / Fujikura MotoreX F3 6S RADSpeed Hybrid 24* TS1 4-GW / FCM Precision 6.5 Rifle TSW Wedge - 56/12 EAS 1.0 / Grip master 2.0 MAXFLI Tour CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Jon Rahm and Tony Finau make this work rather well. I messed around with a shorter backswing, but my lanky arms and general lack of coordination with my lower body, a swing that allows for a lot of arms works best for me. I don’t “rotate”... I seriously can’t get myself to make a “rotational” swing work. No holding on and turning for this guy.... I’ll Shizank it every single time. Kenny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Shankster said: Jon Rahm and Tony Finau make this work rather well. I messed around with a shorter backswing, but my lanky arms and general lack of coordination with my lower body, a swing that allows for a lot of arms works best for me. I don’t “rotate”... I seriously can’t get myself to make a “rotational” swing work. No holding on and turning for this guy.... I’ll Shizank it every single time. Interesting. I Shizank it when I don't rotate, which is when I'm more sore than normal or tired from late in the round. tony@CIC and Shankster 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 5 hours ago, azstu324 said: Hey man I'm 41.. with the body of a 70 yr old.. Aches and pains from lots and lots of teen through 30's dumbassery are beginning to show up to say "hey, remember me?" Let me know when you've had 6 surgeries. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Kenny B said: Let me know when you've had 6 surgeries. I've had two... I quit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavygolffeels Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I made that change quite some time ago. It's proven now that the faster you take it back the faster you are likely to swing through it. the old adage of low and slow is disappearing on tour. Rahm and Finau are freaks of nature that can pound the ball which such a short movement. JB Holmes is another way with a quick throw, shorter swing, and can send it out there. But there have been alot of players that play really controlled with short swings like Zach Johnson and Steve Stricker. For me, the shorter swing is much more controlled. Much easier to deliver the center of the club face. And going quicker takes out some of the manipulations. For me, it almost does the opposite of @azstu324 , where now the backswing has limited importance. It's just a means of getting into a position where the transition can happen which has the ultimate importance to me. We've seen the pictures a thousand times, but Furk, Rory, Sergio, Trevino, Kuchar, DJ all have very different backswings and hand positions, but the first move is identical which is to shallow the club, get the right elbow in, and the hands to be able to pull down and out, attacking from the inside. azstu324 1 Quote GARSEN GRIP TESTER Driver: PING G400 MAX, Ventus Blue 6x Woods: COBRA F6 Baffler AD DI 8S Hybrid: CALLAWAY Apex Pro, Ventus Blue 8s Irons: SRIXON ZX5 mk2 5-6, ZX7 mk2 7-PW, Modus 120x Wedges: EDEL 50 C grind, 54 V grind, CLEVELAND 60 RTX6 Low Putter: YES Abbie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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