Big money Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 This would be a question for low avid handicappers(mid 70 shooter or lower).Ive known many that work on their games with top instructors.They will work their tales off with the info given.And still can't come close matching any swing on tour.What are they doing so wrong. Keep it in the short stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 This would be a question for low avid handicappers(mid 70 shooter or lower).Ive known many that work on their games with top instructors.They will work their tales off with the info given.And still can't come close matching any swing on tour.What are they doing so wrong.I guess I fall into your category. It really comes down to time. I don't have the time or money towards devote two becoming more consistent. I have a lot of natural talent, but I didn't have the resources to get the coaching I needed when I was younger to really groove my swing. Life took me down a different path and golf is merely a hobby now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big money Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 Thank you J-luke.But I've met and associate with a few that have the time.They still shoot great golf like you.No matter how many top instructor lessons they take.Cant seem to get over that hurdle and match up close with a tour pro.Always have that noticeable amateurish feel - sound and overall look Keep it in the short stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Thank you J-luke.But I've met and associate with a few that have the time.They still shoot great golf like you.No matter how many top instructor lessons they take.Cant seem to get over that hurdle and match up close with a tour pro.Well then it just comes down to God given talent. Some people have it and some people don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Nobody has the exact same swing on tour but they do all have the same or very similar impact position. The difference between a tour pro and a scratch or even a +1 or 2 golfer is huge. Time and talent are big factors but donis the mental game. Imo wedge game and putting are the biggest separators between the pro and the low/scratch/aspiring pro Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Har in the Hat Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 is it the swing? Furyk? or how to use " your swing" to your advantage? Sent from my SM-G900W8 using MyGolfSpy mobile app What's in my Mizuno BR-D2 bag OFFICIAL TESTER FOR THE PING i500 CLUBS. Currently playing Ping i500 w/ Alta CB graphite shafts MP 25 - fitted w/ Project X shafts - stiff 60 / 56 52 910 D2 driver - 9.5 degree -fitted13 F 3 wood 13.5 deg CPR 3 hybrid Method mallet Dexterity: I shoot left-handed so no one can ask me "Hey, can I try that club?" Twitter @GolfingHat Instagram @Mizunostixgolfnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gg Owen Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 All the pros were taught a proper pivot early.Amateurs can't:will never be able to do it properly..Unless you had an qualified instructor show you this at an early age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I've seen and know a few amafuers whosd swings are a thing of beauty and you can watch them on the range and they hit it tour distance and accurate. The diffence becomes like Ricky Bobby said. Short game and mental toughness. The pros recover from bad shots better than most scratch golfers ever will. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I'm far from anywhere near the metric you seek for advice from, but I just have to put in my 2-cents if I may. Please bear with me... Golf is all those guys know and do. They basically have a rare God-given talent that many of us simply do not possess, nor will probably ever possess. They also have the best-of-the-best training them daily. It really is their one and only job. That said, I dare any one of them to try my job for a week and do it at my level right now without the years and years of sheer experience, training and repetition it took me to get to this point. Not gonna happen. Years of utter immersion and dedication are required to do what I do, and also so true for what they do. The bottom line motivational factor of course is money. If I had their talent, I certainly wouldn't be an radio electronics geek carving out a living by maintaining complex public safety communications systems...I too would rather be travelling the world playing a game and making huge jack... Their worst swing is something I'd be proud to replicate at least 3-times in a row... In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridgewalker Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I think it's like that with anything: Football, Hockey, Baseball, Olympic sports etc...there is only so much room at the Elite level and the competition is fierce. The truly elite always almost always look smother, have better technique etc than amateurs...it's why they're truly elite. And it's just as hard, maybe harder, to go from scratch to the PGA tour as it is to go from college football somewhere to the NFL. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteddyGolf Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Just a few things off the top of my head that contribute in differing degrees towards developing a fundamentally sound golf swing. These are in random order: 1. Early start in life and quality instruction to build fundamentals 2. Family financial stability 3. Routine access to golf courses and driving range 4. Family support and legacy players 5. School golf teams (not every school has a team) 6. Talent and work ethic Why adults have a problem developing a fundamentally sound golf swing in order of precedence: 1. Start playing with no lessons builds poor habits reenforced by conditioned muscle memory contrary to an effective golf swing 2. Life demands and priorities limit practice time. 3. Purchasing a $399 Driver over two lessons a month for six months. 4. Fails to work on Golf fitness and flexibility 5. Buying new arrows when it's clearly the Indian. 6. Limited athletic ability and coordinated muscle movements. 7. Taking advice from Bubba next door rather than Jim the teaching PGA Professional. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Miura MB 502 Irons ping G400 Driver Cobra F7 3 wood Mizuno putter Mizuno Wedges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 consistency is key- swings are all different but they deliver when it counts, and under pressure. You have to be shooting approx 4 under par EVERYTIME you tee it up and especially under tournament conditions. We all know exceptional amateurs who have plus handicaps- many try and qualify for the Open and the US Open and usually crash and burn at qualifying stage I think due to weak mental toughness. a couple of bad holes and they shoot a 73, multiply that over a 3 or 4 round tournament and they are missing cuts or finishing 45th or thereabouts. You need the 'X' factor to be successful at this level and the 'X' factor I believe is between the ears. Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMNM Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 A solid scratch player / Club Champion type is a talented but normal human being. A successful PGA Tour player is, like any big time professional athlete, a genetic mutant or freak. All an athlete can do is learn how to use, and then take care of his/her toolbox. The toolbox itself is an accident of birth. That's why I laugh at motivational speakers who try to tell us that we can be anything that we want to be. That's blatant nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 You guys have seen my swing then... it's where Adam Scott got his template from... Right now I look like I am trying to to a tree pose, then a side armed baseball throw... ugly. Need some serious work over the winter. I will be working on the rotational swing, easier power generation, just have to get the idea of “timing†out of my head, there isn't much timing needed if your takeaway is on plane, rotate back, rotate through. I get a bit disconnected with my arms right now, and end up stuck and trying to steer the ball. I know what the issue is... now the question is can I fix it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Everything mentioned is important and a big part of the equation. IMO... nothing is more important or more critical than raw talent. The guys on tour, even the least successful, are far ahead of 99% of everyone that plays golf, in the raw talent category. No amount of work or dedication can/will give that to you... unfortunately. The most successful players on tour have the other intangibles required: work ethic, drive, mental toughness, focus, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I know some guys who have been playing since birth. Have had the best instruction their parents could find within an hours drive. Were given club membership advantages at a very young age and spent hours every day working on their game. None of the three ever developed beyond being decent junior players. None have won our club championship or have even come close. What you will notice from all three is a swing that resembles anything you will see for the top Touring professionals. What they lack are the finer points of the game. Scrambling, putting, bunker play and course management stand out to me. I know another guy from my club who looks like a construction worker and swings like one too. His hands are as callused as anything I've ever seen. He reached the finals of the USGA Amateur 4-Ball at Olympic Club in 2015. He has also won our club championship several times. He can golf the hell out of his ball! Appearances can be deceiving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanSterlingPrice Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I think mine is fairly sound but the biggest factor here is it's still pros vs. ams. A scratch and a 10 can have similar swings but the scratch will have better short game and mental game more often than not. Pros have all that plus some. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Right Handed 4.5 handicap Driver: Nike Vapor Flex with Mitsubishi Rayon Fubuki ZT60x5ct S-flex shaft and stock grip. 3-Metal: Nike VRS 15 degree with Mitsubishi Rayon tour issue Diamana S73x5ct X-flex shaft and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grip. Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46 degrees standard length and lie with KBS Tour-V stiff shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Wedges: Ben Hogan TK15 54, 58 degrees with KBS Tour-V X-flex shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Putter: Nike Method Converge B1|01 with Superstroke Flatso 2.0 grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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