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Smartline Putting Ball Marker

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2 minutes ago, PING Apologist #9 said:

Most interesting... Does it have a 1/2 moon shape to it so you can slide it under the ball? Look like it does, but just wanted to verify. Great review BTW!

It does.  Below is an image of the marker showing the curve you were asking about.  

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I have or had I should say... a Scotty Cameron "ball tool." Not sure where I got it or where it went. I looked. Anyway... I recall using it maybe once? The web page where I found the photo says it's $44!! I hope I didn't buy it. LOL

Cnosil, my bet is you'll give it a try a few times and then return to your normal routine. With your 7 hcp you're already a decent putter without this aid.

Here is the Cameron design...

 

 

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1 minute ago, PlaidJacket said:

I have or had I should say... a Scotty Cameron "ball tool." Not sure where I got it or where it went. I looked. Anyway... I recall using it maybe once? The web page where I found the photo says it's $44!! I hope I didn't buy it. LOL

Cnosil, my bet is you'll give it a try a few times and then return to your normal routine. With your 7 hcp you're already a decent putter without this aid.

Here is the Cameron design...

 

 

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Yep,  I have seen the Cameron ball marker and various variations.  The one think I never heard spoken about with the other aids was tying it to slope and ultimately Aimpoint.     

Plaid, right now I am pretty sure I will keep using it because  it does fit into my normal routine.  What it does is help minimize the "adjustments" I was making to line up the line on my ball.  Instead of trying to bring the alignment spot from the hole back to the ball,  I just figure the percentage of slope I want to use and set my ball down in the correct orientation based on the marker.   I guess time will tell.  

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13 hours ago, cnosil said:

 

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What tool do you use for drawing the lines on your ball?  That is a nice thick solid line.  My lines always come out looking like I was three sheets to the wind when I drew them.

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, romeopapazulu said:

What tool do you use for drawing the lines on your ball?  That is a nice thick solid line.  My lines always come out looking like I was three sheets to the wind when I drew them.

I took those pictures off the products website.   I use the Pro Line tool which does a nice line;  have had it for quite some time.  

https://www.dwquailgolf.com/training/proline.html

I have tried a couple of others,  but never had any issues with them looking bad.  

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A very cool gadget. You can get exact that with a magnetic holder (to the belt or your cap) for less than two bucks from:

alibaba

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32450854504.html?pid=808_0000_0131&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.32450854504&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=1962amp-WMGUAs90Zq29VSNXfMTbtw1547070071472

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Henning

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2 hours ago, Sturgeon said:

A very cool gadget. You can get exact that with a magnetic holder (to the belt or your cap) for less than two bucks from:

alibaba

 

Don't disagree and there are other similar products in the marketplace.  As part of the price that I paid I received some training/instructional videos and have someone to contact if I do have questions.  Plus I already mentioned that price was potentially an issue.  The benefit for me is that the product is advertised as having the lines  set up based on particular green slopes;  I haven;'t seen that claim on any of the other products. 

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I ordered the 2-pack, one for each bag. I do see slopes of 4 & 5, but rare.


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This is a very clever tool and I may be adding it to my bag.

Using something like this to learn how to read greens could also be useful for newer golfers as well.


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I'm kind of interested in what angle the markings indicate.  Are they intended to correspond to a specific degree or percent slope of the green surface?  I ask as someone who has taken the Aimpoint clinic, and I do use and trust Aimpoint for most of my green reading.  On the other hand, I've never liked using a line on the ball, so I'm probably not in the market for a tool like this one, I'm just curious.

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1 hour ago, DaveP043 said:

I'm kind of interested in what angle the markings indicate.  Are they intended to correspond to a specific degree or percent slope of the green surface?  I ask as someone who has taken the Aimpoint clinic, and I do use and trust Aimpoint for most of my green reading.  On the other hand, I've never liked using a line on the ball, so I'm probably not in the market for a tool like this one, I'm just curious.

Their website claims that the lines do match up to the % slope values, so it should be a great compliment to an aimpoint user.  I had one of this in the cart, but fortunately discovered before I pulled the trigger that I am incapable of aiming the line on a ball with a hole only six feet away, so I will probably not get much help with this either.  I love the idea though.

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54 minutes ago, romeopapazulu said:

Their website claims that the lines do match up to the % slope values, so it should be a great compliment to an aimpoint user.  I had one of this in the cart, but fortunately discovered before I pulled the trigger that I am incapable of aiming the line on a ball with a hole only six feet away, so I will probably not get much help with this either.  I love the idea though.

I know an instructor who has experimented a little with the line on the ball and his students.  He says that a large majority of players can't effectively align the mark on the ball with their intended target, so apparently you're not alone.  I'm sure the line helps some players, but I've never found it particularly useful.  As with most things, there are a lot of ways to do something, and not every method will work for every person.

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17 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I know an instructor who has experimented a little with the line on the ball and his students.  He says that a large majority of players can't effectively align the mark on the ball with their intended target, so apparently you're not alone.  I'm sure the line helps some players, but I've never found it particularly useful.  As with most things, there are a lot of ways to do something, and not every method will work for every person.

So true! My wife can't look at a line on the ball; it doesn't help her, but as someone who has to use it and find it effective, I just don't understand why someone can't align the mark on the ball with their intended target.  Is it that they just can't read the break, or they don't trust the mark standing over the ball?  

Mark on ball aligned to target; line on putter aligned with mark on ball; make a straight putt. Easy peazy, lemon squeezy, but it doesn't work for my wife.

I might give this marker a try even though I don't/won't do Aimpoint.  I'm essentially doing the same thing with my read of the slope and aligning my ball, then set up square to the line.  Maybe I would be more precise if I used a standard reference.

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1 hour ago, DaveP043 said:

I know an instructor who has experimented a little with the line on the ball and his students.  He says that a large majority of players can't effectively align the mark on the ball with their intended target, so apparently you're not alone.  I'm sure the line helps some players, but I've never found it particularly useful.  As with most things, there are a lot of ways to do something, and not every method will work for every person.

I think I saw something similar on one of the Aimpoint intro youtube videos.  I remember thinking that the PGA pro explaining the gist of the situation was really full of himself when he stated that most amateurs couldn't line up the ball correctly.  Then I thought he was referring to them lining the ball up to the apex of the break, hence underestimating the break.  Now I see that he really meant what I thought in the first place.  But I'm less offended now. 

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On 1/11/2019 at 2:44 PM, Kenny B said:

So true! My wife can't look at a line on the ball; it doesn't help her, but as someone who has to use it and find it effective, I just don't understand why someone can't align the mark on the ball with their intended target.  Is it that they just can't read the break, or they don't trust the mark standing over the ball?  

I think it depends on how far away the person is trying to line the ball up to.  Lets say for a ten foot putt a person is doing aimpoint, they are picking a spot left or right of the hole.   From a time perspective,  I probably could get it set right,  but it will take some time.  If you pick an point to aim at 4 or 5 feet away you may have the same issue.  With this marker,  you may still have a problem lining the center line up with the hole for the same reasons above, but I can align the line on my ball to the line on the marker much quicker and by looking at it from the top down,  feel like I get pretty close.  

I think a secondary issue with the line on the ball is that due to parallax issues,  the line doesn't look like it is point to the correct spot when a player takes their stance......unless their stance takes how they see the line into account.   

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On 1/12/2019 at 3:34 PM, cnosil said:

I think it depends on how far away the person is trying to line the ball up to.  Lets say for a ten foot putt a person is doing aimpoint, they are picking a spot left or right of the hole.   From a time perspective,  I probably could get it set right,  but it will take some time.  If you pick an point to aim at 4 or 5 feet away you may have the same issue.  With this marker,  you may still have a problem lining the center line up with the hole for the same reasons above, but I can align the line on my ball to the line on the marker much quicker and by looking at it from the top down,  feel like I get pretty close.  

I think a secondary issue with the line on the ball is that due to parallax issues,  the line doesn't look like it is point to the correct spot when a player takes their stance......unless their stance takes how they see the line into account.   

My wife doesn't want to see anything on the ball when she putts, not even logos.  But it's funny that she loses strokes each round putting and won't try a change in how she lines up or sets up to the ball.  When we played in a Chapman tournament two years ago, I had to mark the ball so I could putt well, but then she didn't have a "clean" ball to look at when she putted.

I am not a fan of Aimpoint.  Justin Rose seems to do OK with it, but I've watched other pros use it without much success... Adam Scott is the player I most associate with Aimpoint and he could have won a lot more tournaments if he could putt.  Lexi and Wie are others that don't inspire confidence in the system.  It probably works for some, but  I have never seen anyone use it in person.

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