tony@CIC Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Middler said: The difference is, the player buys a push or remote control cart. Presumably very few will buy their own single rider carts, 2, 3 or 4 wheel. So courses would have to buy them, and assume the liability. Under that (likely?) scenario, I can't imagine many course would buy or lease 2 wheel single rider carts and expose themselves to the liability. But maybe I'm wrong, time will tell. I'd agree that this is going to be a more of a individual purchase rather than a fleet purchase. But I can see some resorts having them available as novelty items just like Segways and Jet Skis. Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDips Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 +1. One league I play in 22 weeks/season is a mix of motorized 2 person carts and walkers with push or remote control carts. In general walkers move just as quickly as 2 person carts, week after week. Although the carts are quicker between shots, the walkers all go directly to their ball instead of making two stops (sometimes far apart). And motorized can't go places walkers can, so they have to park further away some times. Or when it's cart paths only, 2 person carts are slow. So I'd conclude 2 person carts and walkers move about the same pace all else equal. I am sure solo motorized carts would be faster than 2 person carts or walkers. By how much I don't know. Minutes, 10's of minutes, more? And like others have said before. Slow play is only partly due to carts and other tools. In my experience, at least 50% of the cause of slow play is bad habits by players, it won't make much difference if they have a cart. The bad habits are many, and they've been detailed many times already.Completely agree. Most people who walk are usually better and quicker players. I would really like to see how much quicker a round would be with 4 carts instead of 2. I also think it would depend on skill level greatly. 4 single digit guys might shave off an hour or more but four 20+ handicap guys might not save half that. Personally I think the two best ways to improve pace of play is to improve the average golfers score and play “ready golf”.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Location: Golf Capital of Tennessee Rogue LS 9° Driver, X stiff KuroKage G410 17° & 19° hybrid, X stiff JPX-921 Tours 4 iron thru PW, Modus 105 X stiff S18 50°, 56° & 60° Single Stock #3 34.5" putter 2019 MSG Forum Tester- Bridgestone e12 2021 Callaway Epic Max LS Driver Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, DannyDips said: Completely agree. Most people who walk are usually better and quicker players. I would really like to see how much quicker a round would be with 4 carts instead of 2. I also think it would depend on skill level greatly. 4 single digit guys might shave off an hour or more but four 20+ handicap guys might not save half that. Personally I think the two best ways to improve pace of play is to improve the average golfers score and play “ready golf”. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I live on a course and most of the guys in my regular groups have their own carts. It's quite often we have 4 guys in 4 individual carts while playing. We can cruise, if nobody's ahead of us it's easy to play 18 in 2-ish hours. In general we are all pretty fast golfers though. The big problem is everybody else That seems to be the biggest theme in this thread though. We're never the problem, it's always everybody else. It's kind of a like a traffic jam on the highway. Somebody taps their brakes in heavy traffic and it ripples back and because a dead stop 2 miles behind them. All it takes is one slow group to slow down the entire course. Until everyone on the course can stop being an idiot we will all suffer the consequences of idiots on the course. TR1PTIK, DannyDips and tony@CIC 3 Quote Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, DannyDips said: Completely agree. Most people who walk are usually better and quicker players. I would really like to see how much quicker a round would be with 4 carts instead of 2. I also think it would depend on skill level greatly. 4 single digit guys might shave off an hour or more but four 20+ handicap guys might not save half that. Personally I think the two best ways to improve pace of play is to improve the average golfers score and play “ready golf”. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy On an empty course 4 carts would certainly be faster. On a typical playing weekend in the summer at my muni, a group with 4 carts plays no faster than 4 walkers. There's no where to go. At my old course we had a group that had 4 carts and they did not care about anyone else. If they came up on a group, they skipped ahead to the next open hole; might be 2 or 3 holes ahead, wherever it was open. I don't know how many holes they played; they probably didn't either. We called them "the Polo Club". DannyDips 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDips Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Kenny B said: On an empty course 4 carts would certainly be faster. On a typical playing weekend in the summer at my muni, a group with 4 carts plays no faster than 4 walkers. There's no where to go. At my old course we had a group that had 4 carts and they did not care about anyone else. If they came up on a group, they skipped ahead to the next open hole; might be 2 or 3 holes ahead, wherever it was open. I don't know how many holes they played; they probably didn't either. We called them "the Polo Club". Did they even bother to stop the carts to swing? I'm just thinking if its drastically quicker to play with 4 single rider carts it might be profitable for certain courses to have them in the fleet so they can get more people on the course. That way its not just a convenience for the golfer (2-3 hour round) but its also advantageous for the course to get more people on the course on peak days. If nothing else book the tee times where the earlier guys are guaranteed a quicker pace of play with the single carts and as the day goes on a course could work the slower double person carts since its almost guaranteed to be a longer round later into the morning. Quote Location: Golf Capital of Tennessee Rogue LS 9° Driver, X stiff KuroKage G410 17° & 19° hybrid, X stiff JPX-921 Tours 4 iron thru PW, Modus 105 X stiff S18 50°, 56° & 60° Single Stock #3 34.5" putter 2019 MSG Forum Tester- Bridgestone e12 2021 Callaway Epic Max LS Driver Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, DannyDips said: Did they even bother to stop the carts to swing? I'm just thinking if its drastically quicker to play with 4 single rider carts it might be profitable for certain courses to have them in the fleet so they can get more people on the course. That way its not just a convenience for the golfer (2-3 hour round) but its also advantageous for the course to get more people on the course on peak days. If nothing else book the tee times where the earlier guys are guaranteed a quicker pace of play with the single carts and as the day goes on a course could work the slower double person carts since its almost guaranteed to be a longer round later into the morning. Or the course could keep track of which groups are actually slow, and deny them the opportunity to book an early tee time. TR1PTIK, MaxEntropy and HardcoreLooper 3 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, DannyDips said: Did they even bother to stop the carts to swing? I'm just thinking if its drastically quicker to play with 4 single rider carts it might be profitable for certain courses to have them in the fleet so they can get more people on the course. That way its not just a convenience for the golfer (2-3 hour round) but its also advantageous for the course to get more people on the course on peak days. If nothing else book the tee times where the earlier guys are guaranteed a quicker pace of play with the single carts and as the day goes on a course could work the slower double person carts since its almost guaranteed to be a longer round later into the morning. Not very long!! They didn't spend much time on the greens either! My course has very limited cart storage; under the main building. Single rider carts will take up more room so they probably won't be getting any, but I could see maybe a few would be useful at certain times... 4 wheelers only though. An example would be pairing up a single who wants to rider with a threesome who doesn't have an empty seat in a cart; i.e., 3 walkers, 2 riders and one walker. On the weekends when cart use is the highest, the club will pair up strangers in a cart when possible. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: Or the course could keep track of which groups are actually slow, and deny them the opportunity to book an early tee time. Maybe at a private course, but not a muni. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: Or the course could keep track of which groups are actually slow, and deny them the opportunity to book an early tee time. I see a lot of cons to this approach - loss of revenue primarily - but this could very well be what it takes to force people to change. Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDips Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: Or the course could keep track of which groups are actually slow, and deny them the opportunity to book an early tee time. Right. My only point would be the course needs to make more money switching to single carts and I could see them doing it switching "IF" they could get 300 golfers on the course instead of 200 on peak days for example. Quote Location: Golf Capital of Tennessee Rogue LS 9° Driver, X stiff KuroKage G410 17° & 19° hybrid, X stiff JPX-921 Tours 4 iron thru PW, Modus 105 X stiff S18 50°, 56° & 60° Single Stock #3 34.5" putter 2019 MSG Forum Tester- Bridgestone e12 2021 Callaway Epic Max LS Driver Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDips Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kenny B said: Not very long!! They didn't spend much time on the greens either! My course has very limited cart storage; under the main building. Single rider carts will take up more room so they probably won't be getting any, but I could see maybe a few would be useful at certain times... 4 wheelers only though. An example would be pairing up a single who wants to rider with a threesome who doesn't have an empty seat in a cart; i.e., 3 walkers, 2 riders and one walker. On the weekends when cart use is the highest, the club will pair up strangers in a cart when possible. Probably playing some Gimmie Golf... made me think of this classic... https://adland.tv/adnews/michelob-light-gimme-1996-030-usa Yes. I think those scenarios make a lot of sense to supplement the current courses fleet with a few single rider carts. I at least think that would get them some traction and then let consumers(golfers/courses) decide if they would be a staple and whats next. Kenny B 1 Quote Location: Golf Capital of Tennessee Rogue LS 9° Driver, X stiff KuroKage G410 17° & 19° hybrid, X stiff JPX-921 Tours 4 iron thru PW, Modus 105 X stiff S18 50°, 56° & 60° Single Stock #3 34.5" putter 2019 MSG Forum Tester- Bridgestone e12 2021 Callaway Epic Max LS Driver Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 To all, including @Kenny B, @TR1PTIK, and @DannyDips, I should have indicated that my suggestion was mostly tongue in cheek. I think to try to regulate pace of play by regulating who gets a single-rider cart is unlikely to be workable, much as my suggestion would be unworkable in most situations. As KennyB says, pace-related discipline through tee time allotment is really only feasible at private clubs. In the long run, it will be economics that determine the fate of single-rider carts. Initial (or lease) costs, energy costs, infrastructure investment (double the charging stations?), pace of play impacts, increased or decreased maintenance requirements to the course, liability insurance impacts, I don't know what else. Kenny B, DannyDips and TR1PTIK 3 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/6/2019 at 3:16 PM, yungkory said: The biggest issue aside from cost like others have mentioned, is the older generation IMO. I can't imagine gramps hopping on a golf bike and ripping it down the fairway, but maybe I'm wrong. I'd hate to see an entire generation of golfers get the shaft (pun!) because of this. Also, I heard somewhere that courses have to replace their carts every x years? Anyone who work at a course that can confirm that? Maybe @Golfspy_CG2? Down here most of the courses lease carts and depending on the course they get new ones every 2 years. Some of the upper tier courses within a management group get new carts every year and the lease on the older ones are passed on to the lower tier courses. Believe it or not carts get beat to hell and back on the mid tier and lower tier courses in the spring and fall tourist golf seasons. Far as single rider carts it just depends on how "trendy" they become as to whether courses will adopt them here. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/6/2019 at 10:47 PM, Kenny B said: Three years ago last Oct, I joined this muni. Some of the carts couldn't make 18 holes; I had to call the clubhouse an have them run a cart out for me. In the spring they leased new Yamaha carts, and we get new ones again next month. I haven't had any battery issues with any cart this year. Maybe the batteries are better these days than 6 years ago when they got the last fleet. In the summer a cart will make 54 holes on a Sat or Sun. I don't know if they put it on the charger for awhile before sending it out again though. Our fleet consists of 65 carts; #1 - #54 carts are electric; #55 - #65 are gas. I've never liked gas carts, unless I'm playing a hilly course! Electric carts are getting more efficient every year and a lot depends on the terrain of the course. I know some of the mountain courses are so hilly an electric cart will not make 18 holes. Back when my old man ran a course it was hilly and on the weekends the carts with new batteries could maybe make 36 holes. We used to charge them between rounds. I can remember the ones with new batteries were ran to death and the batteries would be shot by spring. Of course those older carts were not nearly as efficient as they are now. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, BIG STU said: Electric carts are getting more efficient every year and a lot depends on the terrain of the course. I know some of the mountain courses are so hilly an electric cart will not make 18 holes. Back when my old man ran a course it was hilly and on the weekends the carts with new batteries could maybe make 36 holes. We used to charge them between rounds. I can remember the ones with new batteries were ran to death and the batteries would be shot by spring. Of course those older carts were not nearly as efficient as they are now. My course uses our gas carts to pull dead or damaged carts off the course. Yes, they get damaged a lot. I guess we are a mid to lower tier course. lol. The gas carts have a better suspension than the electric carts. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 If these new fangled carts take hold, the price of traditional 2 man carts should plummet and those of us in the market for one will have lots of inventory to choose from . tony@CIC and BIG STU 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: If these new fangled carts take hold, the price of traditional 2 man carts should plummet and those of us in the market for one will have lots of inventory to choose from . You would think so especially here. Used carts here even stock ones are expensive. Every Tom Dick and Harry has one because they are legal for daylight road use within certain aspects on public roads in SC. The only place I have seen with more golf carts on the roads is The Villages near Ocala Florida. Surfside Beach 2 miles up the road from me has more golf cart sales and service places than auto related stuff fixyurdivot 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 22 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: If these new fangled carts take hold, the price of traditional 2 man carts should plummet and those of us in the market for one will have lots of inventory to choose from . I don't know why electric carts are so expensive to begin with. There's basically nothing to them and the designs have basically been the same for years. Except for a lithium battery upgrade there's virtually no difference between my 10 yr. old RXV and a brand new one. fixyurdivot and Will_Mac 2 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 If we're betting on whether things will change or stay the same, my money's on change. I refuse to believe that the current two-person cart is the best way to get around the course in all cases. I'm not going to go so far as to say that the two-person cart will ever completely go away, but you're going to start seeing more alternatives to what we have now. The nature of the course is going to dictate what will work there. A course that logs 100 CPO days each year has different needs from one that burns out for July and August every year. The blog article pointed out some interesting possibilities. Most of them will likely flop, but now that people are starting to look at the problem differently, new solutions are going to keep coming. Personally, I'm half tempted to buy a mountainboard and try it out on the course. DaveP043 1 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 6:58 AM, tony@CIC said: I don't know why electric carts are so expensive to begin with. There's basically nothing to them and the designs have basically been the same for years. Except for a lithium battery upgrade there's virtually no difference between my 10 yr. old RXV and a brand new one. Good point. A neighbor just purchased a brand new Evolution Forrester with the optional rear facing seats/cargo deck, and shelled out just shy of $10,000. We lifted the lids and checked it all out - I'm still looking for at least another $5,000. My Honda Recon has considerably more engineering and capability for the money. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palvord Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Eventually, single rider carts will be on many courses and seen as the norm. Adoption will take time, and in my humble estimation, approximatley 5-10 years. As the article mentions, golf is a very traditional game. Changing any of those traditions will take time. I do believe that there is a way for single rider carts to be integrated with the traditional two person cart at courses. As courses continue to look for new ways to attract people to play, they will continue experimenting with these new ways of moving players quickly through a round of golf. HardcoreLooper 1 Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregB135 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 My local course has a few of the scooter style, single rider carts. I tried it out, and it wasn't so bad after I got used to the balance and feel. Playing as a single it was terrific. To me the major downside was no protection from the elements. Down here in Florida, sun is a major concern. Any break you can get from the exposure is worth it. The other downside I noted was recklessness on the part of others. Playing another time with my regular buddies we heard a big commotion behind us as we prepared to tee off. Turning around we saw three scooter cart riders, racing each other while driving across a portion of the course (on a par 3) no one should be driving any type of cart across. They were all laughing pretty hard until one of them lost control and crashed. There is a reason the clubhouse asked for signature on a liability and damage waiver. I think the potential quagmire of litigation against clients who damage the carts, their own equipment, and themselves using that type of cart will be reason for pause on the side of the courses. Quote Driver: 311XF Gen5, Tensei CK Pro Orange, S flex Fariway: 311XF Gen6 3-Wood, Tensei Blue 55g R flex Hybrid: 211, 3H Project X Evenflow H, 80g, 5.5 TSR2 4H, Tensei Blue R (Forum Tester) Irons: T200 2023, Tensei Blue R (Forum Tester), 5-GW Wedges: CBX2 Zipcore 52*, 56* Project X Catalyst Spinner Graphite Shaft Putter: ER2 Murdered Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palvord Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 My local course has a few of the scooter style, single rider carts. I tried it out, and it wasn't so bad after I got used to the balance and feel. Playing as a single it was terrific. To me the major downside was no protection from the elements. Down here in Florida, sun is a major concern. Any break you can get from the exposure is worth it. The other downside I noted was recklessness on the part of others. Playing another time with my regular buddies we heard a big commotion behind us as we prepared to tee off. Turning around we saw three scooter cart riders, racing each other while driving across a portion of the course (on a par 3) no one should be driving any type of cart across. They were all laughing pretty hard until one of them lost control and crashed. There is a reason the clubhouse asked for signature on a liability and damage waiver. I think the potential quagmire of litigation against clients who damage the carts, their own equipment, and themselves using that type of cart will be reason for pause on the side of the courses. Reckless driving I feel is a concern for all courses no matter what the vehicle. I happen to agree that the single rider vehicle can encourage more reckless behavior than normal as more vehicles can mean more opportunities for idiocy. I do feel that this is one of the reasons why it will take multiple years for the integration of the single rider cart to be mainstream. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy GregB135 and tony@CIC 2 Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigtazzGolf Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Lot of interesting thoughts on this topic. Myself, being a Bigtazz not a little tazz I might not worry with the single man ride unless it's got some horsepower lol One day maybe though.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy tony@CIC 1 Quote Grip n Rip it Chicks dig the LONG ball In my staff bag King F7+ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 60 - Graphite Tour X-Stiff CBX 13.5 3 Wood Atomic Irons 4-AW (reviewing) CG16 Satin 52* 588 RTX 2.0 56* and 60* Sentio Sierra 101-M Putter Proud tester of the Tommy Armour ATOMIC Irons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 hours ago, GregB135 said: My local course has a few of the scooter style, single rider carts. I tried it out, and it wasn't so bad after I got used to the balance and feel. Playing as a single it was terrific. To me the major downside was no protection from the elements. Down here in Florida, sun is a major concern. Any break you can get from the exposure is worth it. The other downside I noted was recklessness on the part of others. Playing another time with my regular buddies we heard a big commotion behind us as we prepared to tee off. Turning around we saw three scooter cart riders, racing each other while driving across a portion of the course (on a par 3) no one should be driving any type of cart across. They were all laughing pretty hard until one of them lost control and crashed. There is a reason the clubhouse asked for signature on a liability and damage waiver. I think the potential quagmire of litigation against clients who damage the carts, their own equipment, and themselves using that type of cart will be reason for pause on the side of the courses. I saw a video the other day about a traditional cart that could get near 50 mph. My first thought was that I see enough dumba$$es in the slow ones, I can't imagine if the average Joe were given something faster. GregB135 1 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Watched a video on YouTube yesterday put out by the guys at Golficity. Near the end of the video they got to test the Finn Cycle and while they were certainly having fun, they weren't being crazy and I'm honestly not quite sure how you could get too crazy on those things after watching it. I think the biggest risk would be dumping the bike - especially if it occurred in the middle of the fairway or near a green or something. Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forerightgolfer Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Interesting thread. I would love to have the option of a single rider cart. I play as a single often enough that having my own ride around the course would be a welcome change. I do not generally enjoy sharing a cart with someone I've just met. I would hope that the 2 person cart never completely dies though. As was mentioned many times in the thread, for many people a huge part of playing golf is the social part of it. My dad's only reason for playing golf is 4+ hours of us hanging out and catching up. As noted, the cover from the elements is a big reason for the carts as well. For me, one of the hardest things about walking is that I don't really get to sit for 5 hours and I'm always in the sun. The 2 person cart solves both of those. For those course that have a lease program, would it be an option to blend some single person carts into the lease and test them out for a year or two? Wouldn't single rider carts make sense for groups playing late twilight rounds chasing the sun? I hope that we see some of these make start to break through soon. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver - G400 LST 3W & 4H - Orlimar High Energy 2 Irons - F7 OL (5I - GW) Wedges - Top Flight Gamer Tour 52* 56* 60* Putter - Orlimar HE2 Balls - Vice Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deauxrite Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 With limited cart storage and multiple tournaments each season (two players to a cart), it would not make economic sense at our club. Wind screens and hard tops are also a necessity in this part of the country..we play year round, but weather is still something for us to take into account. I agree that some resorts might find these an idea to attract players. These might also be attractive to our members that have their own carts and always ride by themselves (of which there are many). tony@CIC 1 Quote M2 Driver Fujikura Regular Flex Mizuno 921 Tour Irons-- Titleist Wedges A new Sik Armlock putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) While I really want to get one of those cart motorcycle things. I do enjoy a round in a cart with conversation. I think I would miss that if there were only solo cart options. Remember, golf is a social event as well. Edited June 5, 2019 by Quigleyd Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 https://mygolfspy.com/the-two-person-golf-cart-needs-to-die/ I have seen this topic on MGS a lot in the past couple weeks and there is already a ton of comments on the blog. I don't see courses switching to full fleets of single rider carts unless there is a profit advantage. Perhaps shortening the rounds can get more people on the course and raise revenue. I could see courses purchasing/leasing a handful of these type carts for singles, threesomes and millennial golfers. Has MGS tested how much quicker a foursome with their own carts would be? I'd really like to see the data on how much quicker 4 carts vs 2 carts would make a foursome. Maybe run the numbers and see how many more golfers a course could get though in a day if all the rounds were shorter. Thoughts?I’ve seen one course that has scooter carts. I’ve wanted to try one for a long time. I used to ride a motorcycle so I think it would be a blast.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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