Need driver recommendation for a slicer

[mherrera]

Hey GolfSpy family, 

I've been playing golf for about ten years now and have yet to play a driver that has helped me turn my small slice into a playable fade. I was wondering if anyone out there has any recommendations for a driver that is out in the market. I'm currently using a ping G425 SFT. It's ok but my drives aren't consistent. Thanks for the the recommendations in advance. 

-Michael 

[cnosil]

10 minutes ago, mherrera said:

but my drives aren't consistent.

What do you consider consistent?   Pros have a left to right dispersion of 60+ yards with their drivers and that is considered consistent.  If you have a ball flight that goes from left to right, it is consistent.   Playing draw based drivers should help you reduce the amount of right to left curve;  Callaway Rogue ST Max D might be a good option.   If you really want to reduce your left to right curve,  a swing fix might be your best option

[Kenny B]

I agree with @cnosil.  In my first 10 years I had a very nice slice, thank you very much!!   It was a PITA to play consistently; left to right... but every once in awhile it would be a straight left shot which always meant trouble.  If this is what you consider inconsistent, I understand.  A friend of mine plays the slice very consistently; I couldn't.  I made a decision to either get rid of the slice or quit playing altogether.  It really only took a couple of lessons with the pro (but many hours of practice) to fix my swing.  My tendency now is a straight ball with sometimes a little fade; that's very easy to play.

I don't think a driver will fix your issue.  If you have a fade that stays in play, a draw-based driver will reduce the amount of fade but it won't change a slice into a fade

[GolfSpy_APH]

Much advice of the same. A driver can help/hide or reduce a slice to some degree however in the end swing path and face angle are ether real issues so taking lessons, taking videos of your swing to work on it will likely be more productive. 

The SFT series from Ping are some of the most draw bias and forgiving (highest moi) drivers out there so i am not sure if another driver will make that drastic of a difference.

[RollingGreens]

Lessons, lessons, and more lessons. I gave in myself this year and have opted for the pros advice. You already have the driver that should reduce slices. Consistency is about having a repeatable swing, hopefully a lesson or two can help correct some of the problems. 

[CarlH]

You need to learn how to release the club head so that it will be square at impact.  A slice is the result of having a club face that is open in relationship to your swing path.  Now, there are a multitude of reasons that you're finding yourself in this position, so it's best to have a pro look at your swing and offer a way to fix the issue.  Searching for a magic club to fix it is the wrong approach.  JMO!

[NM01]

You have a swing flaw that is causing a bad path to face ratio. More than likely coming over the top with and open face.

There are no drivers that are going to fix that. Fixing the swing will fix it.

But if you are looking for a band aid instead of a fix the Ping sft is what you are looking for. It won’t fix the issue but it will help reduce the negative effects.

Best thing to do is go get some lessons and work on your swing 

[G56788]

If the driver is the only club you are slicing and you don’t want to overhaul your swing, I’d go and get fitted at a brand-agnostic shop. Most places will fit you for free if you buy the club from them. There are a number of ways a fitter can reduce left-to-right ball flight (shaft, Draw-biased head, moveable weights, lie angle, or a combination of these things). Find a club that feels good when you swing it, and the fitter can fine tune it. 

[NC Golfer]

Why does a question about a product have to end up in a response for lessons? If that was needed, he could have posted in the swing section. There's many draw based model drivers these days. Rogue ST Max D as suggested. Plus, TM mini drivers or a Cobra Big Tour is a good suggestion too. 

[NM01]

2 hours ago, NC Golfer said:

Why does a question about a product have to end up in a response for lessons? If that was needed, he could have posted in the swing section. There's many draw based model drivers these days. Rogue ST Max D as suggested. Plus, TM mini drivers or a Cobra Big Tour is a good suggestion too. 

Because depending on how bad the face to patch relationship is or how bad the path is there isn’t a driver that will fix the issue. 
 

A draw bias driver just means the sweet spot is more towards the heel. That won’t help if there are toe shots with and open face.

So before griping about lessons being the recommendation understand what could be causing whatever ball flight the issue the person poster is asking about. There are certain things that equipment can’t fix and there could be equipment that could make things worse and there is equipment that may help it but not by a lot. Also with different designs and cog placement there’s no way to say what piece of equipment will be best for the golfer, which is why fittings are recommended and lessons because most issues aren’t equipment related 

[Stuka44]

 

22 hours ago, NC Golfer said:

Why does a question about a product have to end up in a response for lessons? If that was needed, he could have posted in the swing section. There's many draw based model drivers these days. Rogue ST Max D as suggested. Plus, TM mini drivers or a Cobra Big Tour is a good suggestion too. 

I have to agree, and I don't think anyone is trying to "bash" getting  a lesson, but it seems to be the first response to almost any issue anyone has.  I am no golf pro, and my handicap is higher than the OP, and I have never had a lesson.  I'm not trying to start an argument, but are we sure the OP even if he has his driver set to a draw bias, isn't set up to the ball with a fade stance.  One can still hit a fade  with a draw bias set  driver.  I in reducing, and eventually eliminating  my 15-25 yard fade(when I won my first) adjustable  driver, realized I was still setting up for the fade swing which was necessary to play the fade(that I had compensated for for years).  I finally began to trust the club(and the draw biased setting) and set up neutral  or even with a little draw set up, and have the confidence to aim down the middle or even a little right.

As a listed 10 Handicap I would assume the OP has a working knowledge of foot set up, and club swing path and how this affects hitting a fade or a draw.  I would suggest he pay attention to these things, and adjust set up, perhaps some slight self experimentation with changing his grip slightly(in addition to the draw bias driver I stopped interlocking my grip), to see if these wouldn't have an effect on his driver ball flight.  Again as a 10 handicap, I find it hard to believe he is hitting "banana balls" off the tee that are coming down two fairways over.  My concern is that very rarely do I read about someone going to "fix a problem" with lessons, and being told, "that's not really a problem just play with it".  Lessons will always help, if you think it is what you need to improve or get better.  I have read over and over on this forum about "the time it takes to ingrain a swing change".  I have also viewed(my opinion and words) the horrors of some on this site looking for that "perfect" golf swing, transition move, blah, blah, blah.

I would say as a 10 or so handicap, that the OP likely has the golf knowledge in him to straighten out his drives on his own.  I would try a few simple changes before I would just have him throw up his hands and turn himself over to someone to "fix" his swing.  

[cnosil]

 
I would say as a 10 or so handicap, that the OP likely has the golf knowledge in him to straighten out his drives on his own.  I would try a few simple changes before I would just have him throw up his hands and turn himself over to someone to "fix" his swing.  

If only it was that easy. Behaving a low handicap does not always give the player the ability to fix their problems. Based on your assessment I should have been able to fix my pull hook or short game without an instructor.

I tried but was unable to figure out why I was doing and had to get lessons.

I would also expect that the player has tried to fix their swing otherwise they wouldn’t have been trying to find another alternative to straighten out the ball flight.

You obliviously have you thoughts which could be valid and reasonable and could work. Suggestions for lessons are just as reasonable, just not you preference.

[G56788]

I think if someone asks a question about a club, we owe them an answer about clubs. We don’t know why OP asked the question. Maybe he wants a band aid so he looks less bad for a few rounds with his boss, he doesn’t have time to take lessons, pulls to the left keep him in play on his home course, or his playing partner also hits a slice and he just wants to avoid him for most of the round. 

[NM01]

5 hours ago, stuka44 said:

I have to agree, and I don't think anyone is trying to "bash" getting  a lesson, but it seems to be the first response to almost any issue anyone has.  I am no golf pro

It’s because most issues with ball flight are swing related and not equipmen related and the chance a swing flaw will be eliminated by equipment isn’t a guarantee or predictable. Also without seeing a persons swing or their launch monitor numbers recommending a piece of equipment is a guessing game. If a person wants a piece of equipment to fix something they should go get fit to find the best band aid. As a non golf pro indicates you don’t understand the swing and why you would think equipment can fix an issue.

5 hours ago, stuka44 said:

As a listed 10 Handicap I would assume the OP has a working knowledge of foot set up, and club swing path and how this affects hitting a fade or a draw.  I would suggest he pay attention to these things, and adjust set up,

That’s an assumption that can’t be made. I played with a guy before he died that carried between and 8-14 handicap depending on much he played. He hit a 220 yard max drive that was a banana slice. Handicp doesn’t guarantee one understands the swing or what they are doing or why they are doing it.

 

5 hours ago, stuka44 said:

would say as a 10 or so handicap, that the OP likely has the golf knowledge in him to straighten out his drives on his own.  I would try a few simple changes before I would just have him throw up his hands and turn himself over to someone to "fix" his swing.  

Again that’s not an assumption about handicaps and swing knowledge, also might want to leave it to those who understand equipment and golf swing to determine what the op needs 

 

4 hours ago, Golfer56744 said:

I think if someone asks a question about a club, we owe them an answer about clubs. We don’t know why OP asked the question. Maybe he wants a band aid so he looks less bad for a few rounds with his boss, he doesn’t have time to take lessons, pulls to the left keep him in play on his home course, or his playing partner also hits a slice and he just wants to avoid him for most of the round. 

You might want to read the thread because my initial reply talked about a specific club if the op wanted a bad aid

[GolfSpy_APH]

Only part I would add is the OP mentioned which driver he had and it was already a significant if not the most draw bias driver on the market. If he had mentioned he had a SLDR 430 or something along those lines yeah then we can likely make some more actual driver or club suggestions to try that would help mitigate the slicing errors. However having a SFT driver already it more of a swinging thing to look at vs equipment. 

I'll add we would love to have equipment fix all, unfortunately in many cases it isn't and there are larger things to look at. It isn't that we are simply defaulting to don't get something new or ignoring his request for a driver that would help. It is simply a recommendation based off the information given, which doesn't point to a new driver being the solution.  

[Stuka44]

8 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Again that’s not an assumption about handicaps and swing knowledge, also might want to leave it to those who understand equipment and golf swing to determine what the op needs 

Wow I think this is what NC golfer who I quoted was referring to.  So unless I've taken lessons, or went to PGA school, one can't possibly have any legitimate input on how someone may improve their golf swing, aside from taking lessons.  I would also only add that you also make assumptions that the OP has tried adjusting his set up position off the tee.  He didn't say that he focused on setting up with a draw stance, and not the fade stance(aiming down the left) which he would "have to do" if he is hitting a slice.  I was just recommending some basic things to try(absent a whole lot of info from the OP ), before the first recommendation is basically "Nope you are hopelessly lost, the only way out for you at this point is to go take lessons, or you'll never improve.  Lessons contrary to what many think are not the ONLY way to improve.

[Marcus Dukes]

Slice off the tee has always been issue for me.  Played couple different drivers over the years and tried many options at range etc.  The best driver I have ever hit for controlling my slice is the Ping 425Max.  Does not eliminate slice but greatly reduces the dispersion on my misses.  Have seen increased number of balls in the fairway and number of shots I lose way right

[EasyPutter]

On 11/27/2022 at 5:00 PM, NC Golfer said:

Why does a question about a product have to end up in a response for lessons? If that was needed, he could have posted in the swing section. There's many draw based model drivers these days. Rogue ST Max D as suggested. Plus, TM mini drivers or a Cobra Big Tour is a good suggestion too. 

In my experience I could slice any ball with any club but because of the length of the driver shaft the slice effect was multiplied with disastous result to where I played golf for years without a driver in my bag.

One lesson 9 months ago, not really a lesson but a suggestion from a Pro who happened to see my swing and for the first time in my life I am able to hit straight and fade drives.  In another lesson another Pro showed me how to hit a fade on demand with driver or irons - mind blown.

Question was about equipment but experience draws the question into question as to whether it will result in any real improvement on ball flight.

[NM01]

1 hour ago, stuka44 said:

Wow I think this is what NC golfer who I quoted was referring to.  So unless I've taken lessons, or went to PGA school, one can't possibly have any legitimate input on how someone may improve their golf swing, aside from taking lessons

Without seeing the OPs swing how can you make a suggestion. You also stated you aren’t a pro and are a higher handicap so there’s an indication you lack some knowledge of the swing and also since you think equipment is the way to go that’s also an indication there some lack of knowledge. We only have a small tidbit of information the op who has also been absent from the thread since it’s start. We don’t know what a small slice means not how it’s occurring. Some people think a ball that moves 15 yards and I’ve seen some posts on different forums go up to 20 yard being called a fade. A ball that moves that much isn’t a fade it’s a slice.

So until there is more information from the op any suggestion for a fix in the swing or what driver to use any recommendation is pointless. That is why those who have commented about taking lessons are better suggestions than saying use driver x,y,z and why I personally using my knowledge of both the swing and equipment didnt suggest anything with the exception that if the op was only looking for a band aid to buy a Ping sft model. 

1 hour ago, stuka44 said:

I would also only add that you also make assumptions that the OP has tried adjusting his set up position off the tee.

I’ve made no assumptions about what the op has or hasn’t done. My initial reply was about what causes the ball flight he is experiencing which is how the face and path align plain and simple. Could it be how he is aligned? Sure. Could he be aligned fine but have an too inside takeaway and come over the top? Sure. Could he have a flat swing that gets steep and stalls the hips and comes to far inside with an open face and hit a slice that started right and keeps going right? Sure. But I don’t know and haven’t made any recommendations on his swing or what he has and hasn’t done. I suggested to go take lessons to learn how to fix whatever is causing his slice, because as I and cnosil pointed out one’s handicap and even ones understanding of the swing doesn’t mean they will know how to fix their problem as cnosil pointed out about his own experience.

 

1 hour ago, stuka44 said:

I was just recommending some basic things to try(absent a whole lot of info from the OP ), before the first recommendation is basically "Nope you are hopelessly lost, the only way out for you at this point is to go take lessons, or you'll never improve.  Lessons contrary to what many think are not the ONLY way to improve.

Nobody said he was hopelessly lost. Your bias for how people responded to you, ncgolfer and the op are causing you to read that.

The suggestion was to get lessons if the goal is to fix a swing problem. It’s better for most people to get lessons than it is to self teach/correct. Having been on two different paid programs from GG and Milo lines as well as all the threads on wrx in the lesson subforum it’s evident that the vast majority of golfers including some low single digit handicaps don’t know how to fix their swing

[Stuka44]

Again I believe your 5 paragraphs of response to my suggestion that maybe everyone doesn't need a lesson is telling. The mere suggestion that every issue someone perceives in their golf game might not need a lesson(first thing), is met with condescending comments,  given your handicap "you can't possibly know anything".  Sure " if he wants a BAND AID". Wow talk about talking down to people.

I am not a certified electrician either, but I can give people the proper steps to change a household outlet, and not get them electrocuted.  This is golf and a golf shot shape question, ease up on the, how dare you question, everything has to be fixed with a lesson attitude. 

 

[NM01]

1 hour ago, stuka44 said:

Again I believe your 5 paragraphs of response to my suggestion that maybe everyone doesn't need a lesson is telling. The mere suggestion that every issue someone perceives in their golf game might not need a lesson(first thing), is met with condescending comments,  given your handicap "you can't possibly know anything".  Sure " if he wants a BAND AID". Wow talk about talking down to people.

I am not a certified electrician either, but I can give people the proper steps to change a household outlet, and not get them electrocuted.  This is golf and a golf shot shape question, ease up on the, how dare you question, everything has to be fixed with a lesson attitude. 

 

It’s not condescending unless one wants it to be to fit the narrative they want to ge themselves.

I’m pointing out the issues in your replies as did cnosil when it comes to individual self analyzing and correcting their swing issues. If it was easy 90% of the people at driving ranges would be hitting the ball better 3 years after working on the same feel. I have spent the last 3 years studying the golf swing and learning how to fresh it using George Gankas, AMG, Milo Lines, Eric Cogorno, Chris Ryan and Alex Riggs as my main focus. I also have 6 years of working as a part time fitter so my knowledge is pretty extensive in both areas.

And if you actually read my initial reply i pointed out what is the common issue for those who hit a slice. I also have a bad aid fix with a specific driver if that was the route the op wanted and he’s the overall suggestion was to get lessons because it’s path of least resistance to improving at playing golf. 

 

[mlov11]

 

On 11/19/2022 at 8:01 PM, mherrera said:

Hey GolfSpy family, 

I've been playing golf for about ten years now and have yet to play a driver that has helped me turn my small slice into a playable fade. I was wondering if anyone out there has any recommendations for a driver that is out in the market. I'm currently using a ping G425 SFT. It's ok but my drives aren't consistent. Thanks for the the recommendations in advance. 

-Michael 

Hey bro, I do lessons and fittings. If u feel confident ur swing isn't the issue, it's probably the shaft, not the head. Yes heads can help, like if u get a draw bias one, but the shaft is bigger. Honestly a sound swing shouldn't need a draw bias head, just the right shaft.

[NM01]

1 hour ago, mlov11 said:

 

Hey bro, I do lessons and fittings. If u feel confident ur swing isn't the issue, it's probably the shaft, not the head. Yes heads can help, like if u get a draw bias one, but the shaft is bigger. Honestly a sound swing shouldn't need a draw bias head, just the right shaft.

Curious why you think it’s a shaft that would fix it when mops don’t launch or spin and unless it changes how things feel and whether that impacts how the person delivers the club?

We don’t know what his swing looks like and whether going to a heavier shaft or a different ei profile would be the solution. 

[mlov11]

 Well, there's a lot of tech in shafts people don't really think about. It's not really just a stick. If u took a shaft that was fitted to u on the worst driver head in ur fitting ud get better results than a shaft not fit to u and the perfect head. Shaft can add side spin or back spin. It can also take away side spin and back spin.. 

On 11/19/2022 at 8:01 PM, mherrera said:

Hey GolfSpy family, 

I've been playing golf for about ten years now and have yet to play a driver that has helped me turn my small slice into a playable fade. I was wondering if anyone out there has any recommendations for a driver that is out in the market. I'm currently using a ping G425 SFT. It's ok but my drives aren't consistent. Thanks for the the recommendations in advance. 

-Michael 

Hey bro, I do lessons and fittings. If u feel confident ur swing isn't the issue, it's probably the shaft, not the head. Yes heads can help, like if u get a draw bias one, but the shaft is bigger. Honestly a sound swing shouldn't need a draw bias head, just the right shaft.

[NM01]

5 hours ago, mlov11 said:

Well, there's a lot of tech in shafts people don't really think about. It's not really just a stick. If u took a shaft that was fitted to u on the worst driver head in ur fitting ud get better results than a shaft not fit to u and the perfect head. Shaft can add side spin or back spin. It can also take away side spin and back spin.. 

I’ve been to both ProjectX and UST Mamiya. I know what “tech” goes into a shaft. It’s carbons fiber flags layed on top of one another in differing lengths and materials over a mandrel. The flag lengths and angle they are layed and in what order is determined by the software used, in PX’s case it’s an elaborate exec file with tons of formulas and based on the input of the designer. The data then spits out torque, weight, flex, ei profile and a bunch of other stuff and the designer can see thru some changes in colors of fields if they got the setup right or need to change type of material, number of flags, orientation to get it right. Then once they do and make it they test it to make sure it doesn’t break. Then it gets human tested for feedback. the tech aka the materials just help them determine how much they need of what material and so on. The materials allow them to obtain certain feels, performance and stability, weight. The newer materials allow them new ways to do old things. So there really isn’t much “tech” in a shaft. And many profiles across all brands are the same with slight differences in how stiff each section is.

Fujikura’s ventus velocore shaft technology is a single flag of 70t layed down the entire shaft. That’s what they call velocore and it’s not some kind of tech. What’s under or over that 70t we don’t know but it’s probably lighter weight flags. Shafts aren’t a magic pill or this super tech.

very large majority of fitters use the shaft to fine tune the fit and the head is what produces launch characteristics. Shafts have toe roles. Weight and feel.

There have also been studies done by club manufacturers that shows that from a light ladies flex to the shafts used on long drive using a robot there is not much difference in performance. The difference comes from the human factor and how we feel and perceive what we feel and how that impacts a persons swing and their delivery.

Changing a shaft more than likely will not change how the op or any golfer swings and thus will not affect the ops slice to the point of getting less of a slice action.

There at many experts that will disagree with you on the shafts influence on affecting ball flight.

[NC Golfer]

It's too bad the OP is not weighing in on the discussion.

[mlov11]

No offense but you're clearly not one of those experts.  You just copy pasted a buncha stuff lol.  Most of those "experts" your referring to aren't experts at all. Honestly there's no point in responding any further to you cuz you're clearly here just to cause problems. Until uve put the time in, Ur opinion stays on the sideline lol.  Ur sp goofy. U probably fall for the club marketing schemes "this is our longest iron yet" when it's just the same iron as last year with stronger lofts lol.  Goofy. The rules of golf for clubs haven't changes in over 20 years. Drivers meet a criteria and can't go any farther. The shaft is what's been the biggest change in tech over the last 20 years. I honestly didn't even read ur whole post. I could tell u were not worth reading

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I’ve been to both ProjectX and UST Mamiya. I know what “tech” goes into a shaft. It’s carbons fiber flags layed on top of one another in differing lengths and materials over a mandrel. The flag lengths and angle they are layed and in what order is determined by the software used, in PX’s case it’s an elaborate exec file with tons of formulas and based on the input of the designer. The data then spits out torque, weight, flex, ei profile and a bunch of other stuff and the designer can see thru some changes in colors of fields if they got the setup right or need to change type of material, number of flags, orientation to get it right. Then once they do and make it they test it to make sure it doesn’t break. Then it gets human tested for feedback. the tech aka the materials just help them determine how much they need of what material and so on. The materials allow them to obtain certain feels, performance and stability, weight. The newer materials allow them new ways to do old things. So there really isn’t much “tech” in a shaft. And many profiles across all brands are the same with slight differences in how stiff each section is.

Fujikura’s ventus velocore shaft technology is a single flag of 70t layed down the entire shaft. That’s what they call velocore and it’s not some kind of tech. What’s under or over that 70t we don’t know but it’s probably lighter weight flags. Shafts aren’t a magic pill or this super tech.

very large majority of fitters use the shaft to fine tune the fit and the head is what produces launch characteristics. Shafts have toe roles. Weight and feel.

There have also been studies done by club manufacturers that shows that from a light ladies flex to the shafts used on long drive using a robot there is not much difference in performance. The difference comes from the human factor and how we feel and perceive what we feel and how that impacts a persons swing and their delivery.

Changing a shaft more than likely will not change how the op or any golfer swings and thus will not affect the ops slice to the point of getting less of a slice action.

There at many experts that will disagree with you on the shafts influence on affecting ball flight.

No offense but you're clearly not one of those experts. You just copy pasted a buncha stuff lol. Most of those "experts" your referring to aren't experts at all. Honestly there's no point in responding any further to you cuz you're clearly here just to cause problems. Until uve put the time in, Ur opinion stays on the sideline lol. Ur sp goofy. U probably fall for the club marketing schemes "this is our longest iron yet" when it's just the same iron as last year with stronger lofts lol. Goofy. The rules of golf for clubs haven't changes in over 20 years. Drivers meet a criteria and can't go any farther. The shaft is what's been the biggest change in tech over the last 20 years. I honestly didn't even read ur whole post. I could tell u were not worth reading

[mlov11]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I’ve been to both ProjectX and UST Mamiya. I know what “tech” goes into a shaft. It’s carbons fiber flags layed on top of one another in differing lengths and materials over a mandrel. The flag lengths and angle they are layed and in what order is determined by the software used, in PX’s case it’s an elaborate exec file with tons of formulas and based on the input of the designer. The data then spits out torque, weight, flex, ei profile and a bunch of other stuff and the designer can see thru some changes in colors of fields if they got the setup right or need to change type of material, number of flags, orientation to get it right. Then once they do and make it they test it to make sure it doesn’t break. Then it gets human tested for feedback. the tech aka the materials just help them determine how much they need of what material and so on. The materials allow them to obtain certain feels, performance and stability, weight. The newer materials allow them new ways to do old things. So there really isn’t much “tech” in a shaft. And many profiles across all brands are the same with slight differences in how stiff each section is.

Fujikura’s ventus velocore shaft technology is a single flag of 70t layed down the entire shaft. That’s what they call velocore and it’s not some kind of tech. What’s under or over that 70t we don’t know but it’s probably lighter weight flags. Shafts aren’t a magic pill or this super tech.

very large majority of fitters use the shaft to fine tune the fit and the head is what produces launch characteristics. Shafts have toe roles. Weight and feel.

There have also been studies done by club manufacturers that shows that from a light ladies flex to the shafts used on long drive using a robot there is not much difference in performance. The difference comes from the human factor and how we feel and perceive what we feel and how that impacts a persons swing and their delivery.

Changing a shaft more than likely will not change how the op or any golfer swings and thus will not affect the ops slice to the point of getting less of a slice action.

There at many experts that will disagree with you on the shafts influence on affecting ball flight.

The fact u said the human factor is what makes the fitting is the point u freaking goofy. Every shaft is made differently. Different flex, kick points, etc.  U literally just admitted he should check out different shafts cuz he's human and not every shaft is made for him. Take a nap

[mlov11]

As for a driver that will correct your slice... check out the orizaba made in the 80s

[NM01]

2 minutes ago, mlov11 said:

No offense but you're clearly not one of those experts.  You just copy pasted a buncha stuff lol.  Most of those "experts" your referring to aren't experts at all. Honestly there's no point in responding any further to you cuz you're clearly here just to cause problems. Until uve put the time in, Ur opinion stays on the sideline lol.  Ur sp goofy. U probably fall for the club marketing schemes "this is our longest iron yet" when it's just the same iron as last year with stronger lofts lol.  Goofy. The rules of golf for clubs haven't changes in over 20 years. Drivers meet a criteria and can't go any farther. The shaft is what's been the biggest change in tech over the last 20 years. I honestly didn't even read ur whole post. I could tell u were not worth reading

No offense but you're clearly not one of those experts. You just copy pasted a buncha stuff lol. Most of those "experts" your referring to aren't experts at all. Honestly there's no point in responding any further to you cuz you're clearly here just to cause problems. Until uve put the time in, Ur opinion stays on the sideline lol. Ur sp goofy. U probably fall for the club marketing schemes "this is our longest iron yet" when it's just the same iron as last year with stronger lofts lol. Goofy. The rules of golf for clubs haven't changes in over 20 years. Drivers meet a criteria and can't go any farther. The shaft is what's been the biggest change in tech over the last 20 years. I honestly didn't even read ur whole post. I could tell u were not worth reading

I would consider Ian from TXG one of the experts as well as Howard Jones who before retiring was a fitter for many pros on the European side, Stuart G and a few others on wrx along with Tom Wishon who debunked many of the shaft myths out there.

you have no Idea who I am  or what I know. But you don’t have to worry about responding became I won’t be interacting  with you or your silliness.