GolfSpy_APH Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 We have had many new releases this year, but Mizuno is not one to be forgotten! Be sure to let us know what you think of these drivers and where do they stand on your must test list? Underrated drivers for sure, but certainly good performers for many! https://mygolfspy.com/mizuno-st-z-230-and-st-x-230-drivers/ MIZUNO INTRODUCES THE CORTECH CHAMBER THE ‘MISSING PIECE’ BOOSTS MIZUNO ST-230 METALWOODS After four years of rapid-fire development, Mizuno’s Speed Technology (ST) Metalwood Project has culminated in the ST-230 series and a new energy source - the CORTECH Chamber. Over a four-year development process, including blanket usage by Mizuno’s contracted professionals, Mizuno has lifted its metal woods from the shadow of its iconic irons. The ST-190 driver initiated Mizuno’s ST (Speed Technology) project, the ST-200 then added the Beta Ti face and was Mizuno’s first “Tour Ready” driver. The ST-Z and ST-X then added versatility with the option of two models. The ST220 Series represented a big shift in stability and ball speeds from off-centre strikes. After multiple iterative developments for stability, sound and spin, Mizuno has identified the missing piece to its ball speed equation with the CORTECH Chamber – in its ST-230 Series due for 2023 release. The CORTECH Chamber encases a stainless-steel weight with elastomeric TPU, taking stress from the clubface and creating an additional source of energy. At the same time, it locates weight closer to the clubface to reduce spin rates, while contributing to a more solid, powerful sensation at impact. “Our player testing over the years shows that placing extra weight close to the face results in faster ball speeds and low spin rates,” says David Llewellyn, Director of R&D for Mizuno. “We’ve been steadily working towards the CORTECH Chamber, which is incredibly effective at that job. Encasing the steel weight within the TPU Chamber means that we’re moving weight close to the face at the same time as creating an additional source of energy. Steel is twice the density of Titanium but won’t weld directly, which is where the TPU has a second role.” Since 2020 all of Mizuno’s contracted professionals have played and aided in the development of the driver. Maintaining a consistent look at address, while incrementally elevating performance has built trust in Mizuno drivers amongst elite players – from college to the PGA Tour. The new CORTECH Chamber features in 3 new ST-230 drivers, the ST-Z fairway and hybrid. ST-Z 230 Driver STRAIGHT, STABLE AND LOW SPINNING A straight bias driver with great stability from off centre hits that’s similar in look and character to the previous ST-Z. The Forged SAT 2041 Beta Ti face is boosted by the CORTECH Chamber to be faster from the face, spin less and deliver an incredible, solid sensation at impact, while the carbon sole plate is now a single piece to allow weight to be pushed to the extremes for overall stability. It offers a modern players’ profile and Quick Switch hosel with 4 degrees of adjustability. “Tour tests for the ST-Z 230 have all been very consistent,” says Chris Voshall, Mizuno’s Director of Product. “Firstly, an appreciation that the look is familiar at address, then satisfaction at how much better it feels off the face. Ball speeds are up on average 1-3mph with spin rates dropping around 200 rpm.” Availability: Right Hand – 9.5 and 10.5 degrees Left hand – 9.5 degrees only ST-X 230 Driver MORE WORKABLE, MILD DRAW-BIASED A more rounded, deeper profile with weight located closer to the hosel means it’s slightly higher spinning and draw biased for the majority. But it’s also more workable for many elite players (especially in lower lofts). Natural drawers of the ball may find more ball speed from the ST-X. The Forged SAT 2041 Beta Ti face is boosted by the CORTECH Chamber to be faster from the face, spin less and deliver an incredible, solid sensation at impact, while the carbon sole plate is now a single piece to allow weight to be pushed to the extremes for overall stability. The deeper profile aligns square in the neutral settings and the Quick Switch hosel offers 4 degrees of workability. “The new ST-X 230 is a complex character,” says Chris Voshall. “Although in the higher loft option it’s a higher flying draw biased option, the 9.5 for many of our tour players was more workable and faster from the face. You really need to hit both models before making any judgements on which is likely to work best for you.” Availability: Right Hand – 9.5, 10.5 and 12 degrees Left Hand – 10.5 degrees ST-X PLTNM 230 Driver ULTRA LIGHTWEIGHT FOR SLOWER SWING SPEEDS A high launching, super lightweight draw biased driver – ideal for slower and moderate swing speeds. The ST-X PLTNM is 30g lighter overall than any possible custom option of the ST-X 230, with a high spec Helium Platinum Shaft and lightweight grip. The Forged SAT 2041 Beta Ti face is boosted by the CORTECH Chamber to be faster from the face, spin less and deliver an incredible, solid sensation at impact, while the carbon sole plate is now a single piece to allow weight to be pushed to the extremes for overall stability. Weight is located closer to the shaft axis to create draw bias and the Quick Switch hosel offers 4 degrees of adjustability. Availability: Right Hand – 10.5 and 12 degrees ST-Z 230 Fairway Wood STRAIGHT, STABLE AND HIGH LAUNCHING A mid-low spinning, high launching, adjustable fairway wood. Although it was developed hand in hand with Mizuno’s tour advisors, it’s mid-sized and playable for all levels. Utilizing a high energy MAS1C steel face boosted by Mizuno’s CORTECH Chamber, it delivers exceptional ball speeds and powerful, solid sensation at impact. The carbon composite crown offers a low centre of gravity and stability while the expanded front to back weighting delivers consistent launch characteristics. The Quick Switch hosel offers 4 degrees of adjustability. “The elevated ball of the CORTECH Chamber is a great addition to the ST-Z fairway woods, but the stability might be the real stand-out,” says Chris Voshall. “They feel like they are on tracks through impact.” Availability: Right Hand – 3 wood (15) and 5 wood (18) Left hand – 3 wood (15) ST-Z 230 Hybrid STRAIGHT, STABLE AND HIGH LAUNCHING A mid-low spinning, high launching, adjustable hybrid. Although it was developed hand in hand with Mizuno’s tour advisors, it’s playable for all levels. Utilizing a high energy MAS1C steel face boosted by Mizuno’s CORTECH Chamber, it delivers exceptional ball speeds and powerful, solid sensation at impact. It has a slightly larger, more playable footprint than its predecessor the CLK with waffle crown and thick sole weight engineered to create a low sweet spot and deep centre of gravity for high launch and efficient spin rates. “The CORTECH Chamber is very effective on the fairway woods and hybrids as it does such a good job of lowering the sweet spot – maintaining ball speeds when you have to pinch one from a tight fairway,” says Chris Voshall. Availability: Right Hand – 2H (16), 3H (19), 4H (22) and 5H (25) Left Hand – 3H (19) and 4H (22) The ST230 Series of drivers and metal woods will be available from February. For further information on Mizuno’s full range of golf equipment, apparel and accessories visit: MizunoGolf.com. #MizunoST230 #CortechChamber #ReachBeyond ENDS RRPs: ST-Z 230 Driver / ST-X 230 Driver: $499.95 ST-Z 230 PLTNM Driver: $549.95 ST-Z 230 Fairway Woods: $299.95 ST-Z 230 Hybrids: $249.95 TR1PTIK 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I really hope these perform as I think Mizuno drivers have been some of the best looking drivers since the 190 series. TR1PTIK 1 Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Definitely on the list of clubs to try (and hopefully buy) in 2023 as well as 2024 since they're going to a 2-year release cycle. Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I’m a total Mizuno irons fanboy, will hardly consider any other brand for irons - so I'm not hoping to throw shade at Mizuno. But I can’t imagine how Mizuno can make a dent in the market against Titleist, TaylorMade, Callaway and Ping - with similar performance and pricing. As much as I like Mizuno, I’m not going to choose their metals for the same price as a Titleist or Ping driver without some substantial performance advantage - and that’s basically impossible given USGA limits. At least they dumped blue drivers a couple generations ago, that made them a non-starter for many (like me). YMMV bens197 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Middler said: I’m a total Mizuno irons fanboy, will hardly consider any other brand for irons - so I'm not hoping to throw shade at Mizuno. But I can’t imagine how Mizuno can make a dent in the market against Titleist, TaylorMade, Callaway and Ping - with similar performance and pricing. As much as I like Mizuno, I’m not going to choose their metals for the same price as a Titleist or Ping driver without some substantial performance advantage - and that’s basically impossible given USGA limits. At least they dumped blue drivers a couple generations ago, that made them a non-starter for many (like me). YMMV As a Mizuno iron fanboy, would you consider the driver if it performs equal to the others? Honest question and not trying to call ya out or anything. I have always thought Mizuno drivers were amazing looking(since they went black with 190) but they spun too much for me. If all else is equal(spin/ball speed/dispersion), I buying the Mizuno over other brands just in looks. GolfSpy_APH and TR1PTIK 2 Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 One of the best looking launches IMO. GolfSpy_BNG and GolfSpy_APH 1 1 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share Posted January 19, 2023 36 minutes ago, JohnSmalls said: One of the best looking launches IMO. Have to think on this one. I don't love the crown when I saw the 220 in Person. Something about the black to carbon didn't suit my eye. However i will say the blue is striking on it. sirchunksalot 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said: Have to think on this one. I don't love the crown when I saw the 220 in Person. Something about the black to carbon didn't suit my eye. However i will say the blue is striking on it. At least in pictures . I should have said better looking. I don't love the crown graphics but like them fine enough and they are growing on me from a setup/address standpoint. The carbon Wilson is better from the crown, Mizuno from the sole. GolfSpy_APH and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, GolfSpy_BNG said: As a Mizuno iron fanboy, would you consider the driver if it performs equal to the others? Honest question and not trying to call ya out or anything. I have always thought Mizuno drivers were amazing looking(since they went black with 190) but they spun too much for me. If all else is equal(spin/ball speed/dispersion), I buying the Mizuno over other brands just in looks. No, they don't have a name in drivers or metals. I don't get how you break in to a market against established market leaders by offering essentially the same performance at the same price. Gonna take a lot of patience. And I like the look of the Titleist and Ping drivers over any Mizuno have put out, but beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. The Mizuno looks too busy, the top and especially the sole. I'll admit the blue drivers in the past left a lingering bad impression on me. But there has never been a Mizuno driver that I thought looked better than all the established brand drivers, still don't. Less is more in club "looks" to me, but that's just me. Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Middler said: No, they don't have a name in drivers or metals. I don't get how you break in to a market against established market leaders by offering essentially the same performance at the same price. And I like the look of the Titleist and Ping drivers over any Mizuno have put out, but beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. The Mizuno looks too busy, the top and especially the sole. I'll admit the blue drivers in the past left a lingering bad impression on me. Less is more in club "looks" to me, but that's just me. I actually liked the blue... But then again I had a blue Fly Z plus that i really liked as well. I think there are more offensive colors than the blue. Nike was on a good streak of making some wildly colored drivers. It's at least nice that there truly are so many options for us to pick from! (All OEMs) Middler, sirchunksalot, GolfSpy_BNG and 1 other 4 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 This driver is $100 cheaper than TM/Cally/Titleist and $50 cheaper than Cobra/Ping. While not drastic that helps and if you can get the same performance for slightly cheaper to me that’s a win. Now I haven’t seen these in person or hit them but I’ll go on record now saying if I can get the same performance out of these as others, I’m all in baby! sirchunksalot, GolfSpy_APH, TR1PTIK and 1 other 4 Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 It seems like Mizuno has been making strides with their drivers the last couple of years and I'll be curious to see how this model works out for them. GolfSpy_APH and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 These look great and I’d give them a shot just like I did the previous generations, but they’re never the clear-cut winner of my fittings. TR1PTIK and GolfSpy_APH 2 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adiogolf Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 So i've recently been baptized DEEP in the Mizuno waters...and let me tell you...I couldn't not be more excited for this driver and fairways. The 220 was the best feedback and forgiving driver i've ever hit in my life. My biggest focus with this new driver is going to be the aftermarket shaft offerings. I can't wait to get fitted for this club and see what kind of numbers I can get. TR1PTIK and GolfSpy_APH 2 Quote What's in my C-130S Camo: |> Driver - ZX5 LS MkII 9.5° w. Diamana TB Series 60 S |> 3 Wood - TSR2 15° w. Fujikura Motore F1 X 7S |> 5 Wood - TSR2 18° w. Fujikura Motore F1 X 7S |> Irons - ZX5 MKII (4i-5i) + ZX7 MKII (6i-PW) w. KBS $-Taper 120 |> Wedges - (50.08F,54.12D,58.10S) w. KBS $-Taper 120 |> Putter - BB1-LN w. KBS GPS Tour Shaft |> Ball - Chrome Soft X |> Glove - Elite |> Grips - Golf Pride Tour Velvet Plus 4 |> Shoes - Hyperflex Carbon *If you need a fitting, visit Club Champion and use code HEWI1018 at checkout for 50% off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golf2Much Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I've been a fan of Mizuno fairway woods for a long time. I had a MP-001 three wood in my bag for years that I used off the tee (before I somehow found how to hit a driver and my swing slowed down and I needed a more flexible shaft). Lately I put back into play a new Mizuno GT 180 three wood that I picked up on eBay. I forgot how well I hit the Mizuno fairway woods. So well that it kicked the Callaway Epic Flash that was in my bag. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Ping G430 Max driver 10.5 degrees with an Alta Quick45 gram senior shaft Callaway Epic 3 wood, Project X Evenflow Green 45 gram senior shaft Callaway GBB Epic Heavenwood, with a Mitsubishi Diamana 50 gram senior shaft Ping G 20.5 degree 7 wood, with a stock Alta 65 gram senior shaft Ping G 26 degree hybrid, stock Alta 65 gram senior shaft Callaway Paradym X irons, 7-AW with Aldila Ascent Blue 50 graphite shafts Edison wedges: 50, 55 and 60 degree, KBS Tour Graphite A flex shafts Putters: L.A.B. Direct Force 2.1 putter, 34.5" long, 67 degrees lie 2022 MGS Tester: Shot Scope Pro XL+ with H4 2023 MGS Tester: Callaway Paradym X Irons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G56788 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I gamed an ST190 fairway wood for a while. I got rid of it only because the shaft no longer fit me and it didn’t seem worth it to reshaft it. It was a great performer from the tee, fairway, and rough. I suspect the new releases are better. Definitely worth a try! TR1PTIK and GolfSpy_APH 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 12:54 PM, Middler said: I’m a total Mizuno irons fanboy, will hardly consider any other brand for irons - so I'm not hoping to throw shade at Mizuno. But I can’t imagine how Mizuno can make a dent in the market against Titleist, TaylorMade, Callaway and Ping - with similar performance and pricing. As much as I like Mizuno, I’m not going to choose their metals for the same price as a Titleist or Ping driver without some substantial performance advantage - and that’s basically impossible given USGA limits. At least they dumped blue drivers a couple generations ago, that made them a non-starter for many (like me). YMMV Why would it need to perform better at the same price instead of performing the same for the same? Seems like it would just be a matter of looks from there, no? GolfSpy_BNG 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said: Why would it need to perform better at the same price instead of performing the same for the same? Seems like it would just be a matter of looks from there, no? I’m not trying to convince you or anyone else how to choose (no right answer), I’m simply explaining how I decide. It’s more than just looks anyway, e.g. feel/sound, shaft choices, fitting options, etc. And this (below) means something to me when it comes to drivers/metals. Since I’m not interested in Callaway, TM, PXG or Cobra, it’s pretty easy for me to choose. I’m not giving up any performance choosing Titleist or PING - we all know that despite the marketing hype. Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RI_Redneck Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Most people worry about resale value (I do not) and it restricts the selection pool for them. I have kept a Mizuno driver in the rotation since the JPX850. My all time favorite is the ST190 and I have hit my longest drives with it over the years. I love the color and I have it paired with an original Diamana Kai'Li Ion blue 70 X @ 44.75". It's one of the straightest and longest drivers I have ever hit. The one thing I think would really be a great add-on for ANY driver and FW is a full assortment of weights to allow the head to be balanced with pretty much any shaft available. 2g increments from 2 to 16 should be fine. Making that a standard thing would give them an edge on just about any other OEM. BT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellken Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 I have a ST-Z 220, and, I like the fact that the stock shaft is 45". The new ST-Z 230 might have a hotter face, but, I don't think I have the chs to gain much. Nice looking headcover! GolfSpy_APH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OssiansFolly Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 1:54 PM, Middler said: I’m a total Mizuno irons fanboy, will hardly consider any other brand for irons - so I'm not hoping to throw shade at Mizuno. But I can’t imagine how Mizuno can make a dent in the market against Titleist, TaylorMade, Callaway and Ping - with similar performance and pricing. As much as I like Mizuno, I’m not going to choose their metals for the same price as a Titleist or Ping driver without some substantial performance advantage - and that’s basically impossible given USGA limits. At least they dumped blue drivers a couple generations ago, that made them a non-starter for many (like me). YMMV So here's the deal. I spent a lot of money getting fitted for the first time last year after many years of lessons and feeling it was time. Being a shorter guy, buying off the rack was definitely causing swing flaws to account for. I tested Cobra, Ping, TaylorMade, Titleist, Callaway, and Srixon in my fitting (along with quite the array of shafts and shaft lengths). After all was said and done we looked at a display that said Cobra was the longest, but the TaylorMade Stealth+ was the tightest dispersion. Not once did the fitter even mention the Mizuno drivers to me. We didn't see them or test them. But, when MGS did a quick article on the forgiveness of the STZ-220 it was perfect timing as the season was ending. I figured, I'll grab one and hit it for fun just to try it out then I can easily resell it to break even (got an "outlet demo" one still in the wrapper for $180 shipped). Nope. "Off the rack" this is easily the most forgiving driver I've hit and it was going the extra 10 yds the Cobra was compared to my Stealth+. The shaft isn't the same one I was using (the eBay store I snagged it from was out of my Smoke Blue when I ordered it), but that didn't matter. Before you write them off, go demo one. Its so easy to demo clubs now that there is no excuse not to. Go walk into a Golf Galaxy and ask to hit something in a sim, or hit up Global Golf and use their UTRY to carry something for a couple rounds in whatever climate you live in. All I know is that my fitting taught me two things: Never write something off simply because another company spends more on marketing, and sometimes you need to tell the fitter what you want to do because they aren't going to give every company an equal shake. Sometimes the "performance advantage" comes from the person holding the club. rlb4 1 Quote WITB: Driver: TaylorMade Stealth+ 9° w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke Blue RDX 70 XStiff 3W: Ping G425 w/ Ping Tour 75S 7W: Callaway Epic Flash 21° 5i-PW: Srixon ZX5 48°: Cleveland CBX 2 52° & 56°: Cleveland RTX 4 Tour Raw Putter: Mizuno M-Craft VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony A Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Recently went for a driver/woods fitting. Was looking to replace my 12 year old RBZ and my hand-me-down 3W and 4H. Came in with a bias for the Paradym woods based off of looks and reviews. Mizuno was not on my radar screen at all. But after hitting Paradym, Stealth, Ping, & Titleist and struggling to get spin numbers into the right range, the Mizuno STZ 230 solved all of my needs and gave me the best numbers by a country mile. Not even close. Have a hunch that the shorter standard shaft length (which has not really been a focus of their marketing) was really helping with consistency of strike and therefore ball speed & spin numbers. And the STZ 230 3W gave me 10 yards more carry and better dispersion than any of the other options. So yeah, super impressed with the Mizuno STZ line and excited to get three new clubs in the bag (Driver, 15 deg 3W, 19 deg Hybrid). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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