Foreward golf company

[Nolan220]

2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

So it's a self fit kit?

Yes they send you a bunch of 7irons that all have different specs with different shafts in multiple flex’s grips weight and you hit them and get your data off of a simulator and send them the clubs and data back and then they will build them to your specs that you choose after going through what one comes out best 

[Nolan220]

Also the guy Dan said they are working on the blue color iron like what mizuno put out

[Owengeorge13]

8 minutes ago, Owengeorge13 said:

Chad said they are dropping a new website soon with all the details.  I’ll keep a look out and post when it’s up.  I’ve watched a lot of his instagram live fittings.  It was all pretty cool.

[IndyBonzo]

I just found this thread and this sounds really cool and exciting.  Part of that is because I had a negative fitting experience this time last year, where honestly I did not think the fitter gave a crap about whether the clubs worked for me or not, and this hyper-personalization and dedication really strikes a welcome chord.  I will follow this for sure.

Also, those clubs - especially the copper -- look SICK!

EDIT:  To clarify, I was reacting to the protocols for the in-person fittings.  I, like others, am a bit skeptical about the remote fittings, but am open to listening on that front.

Edited January 23 by IndyBonzo

[GolfSpy_APH]

7 hours ago, Nolan220 said:

Yes they send you a bunch of 7irons that all have different specs with different shafts in multiple flex’s grips weight and you hit them and get your data off of a simulator and send them the clubs and data back and then they will build them to your specs that you choose after going through what one comes out best 

Okay... so I am not sure how I feel about that. It is pretty expensive for starters and one of the best parts about a fitting is allowing someone else to interpret the data to ensure you are in the best product possible. 

Doing it all yourself allows various bias' to come in and is limited to the simulator and such that you have available to. As well as your own general product knowledge. 

I get the pricing - I just am hesitant that with the pricing and everything else you are basically doing all the work yourself and if you don't do an adequate job you have fit yourself into a bad set and only have yourself to blame. If this product is particularly unique with its sole designs etc that is all the more reason to have an expert with you to explain and go through the process with you. 

I am sure the product is just fine, but I see enough red flags I would be hesitant to take the plunge for the given cost. 

[Josh Parker]

I guess the part I'm confused on with it all is that he is so big on the fitting process and whether or not a lesson or fitting needs to be done first on his website and Instagram.  

Unless there is more to the "box" that we don't know, it would seem like it would be more beneficial for the customer to have just the heads shipped for a "deposit fee" and taken to an actual fitter in your town and pay for an actual fitting.  

I'll be interested in hearing more @Nolan220 if you end up doing this.  I really like the look of the clubs and the soles are similar to Srixon which are my current sticks.  

[Placasse61]

Just saw this link. This is a very interesting idea. I agree with Jamie about our individual bias. I would hope the shafts and heads are only numbered without a brand (unrealistic). Also knowing my limitations in self-coaching and analysis, it would be difficult culling down what fit was best for my swing. Looking forward to some moe information. The Black irons look awesome, but BLUE might be so cool!

[JAYER38]

Just my assumption of the process and from seeing the social media posts. I imagine they have a process you follow and record your data, use spray for club head contact, etc. I will say I've seen alot of outdoor use with there fitting system which is preferred in my opinion to get a real feel for the club and your swing/ball flight. Nice part I see with this is you could probably take more then a day vs if your feeling "off" during your fitting it is what it is kind of. 

Would be cool if we could get a group together to do this and help each other out making choices as we go thru the fitting.

[Owengeorge13]

Chad posted something on instagram to  inform everyone about the remote fitting process.  I’ll do a write up later when I have time.  

[Nolan220]

2 hours ago, Placasse61 said:

Just saw this link. This is a very interesting idea. I agree with Jamie about our individual bias. I would hope the shafts and heads are only numbered without a brand (unrealistic). Also knowing my limitations in self-coaching and analysis, it would be difficult culling down what fit was best for my swing. Looking forward to some moe information. The Black irons look awesome, but BLUE might be so cool!

@GolfSpy_APH the bias part I think is fixed a bit bc they black out all the shafts and you don’t know any of the specs, you are using the numbers they put on the club which looks like 3 club each set and the clubs are numbered 1,2,3. But I do see the by your self part with the data, I am going to use a pga pro I know to help me on a track man to go over the data. Also when you send them the data they set up a call to go over it with you too. But def understand the hesitation. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

2 minutes ago, Nolan220 said:

@GolfSpy_APH the bias part I think is fixed a bit bc they black out all the shafts and you don’t know any of the specs, you are using the numbers they put on the club which looks like 3 club each set and the clubs are numbered 1,2,3. But I do see the by your self part with the data, I am going to use a pga pro I know to help me on a track man to go over the data. Also when you send them the data they set up a call to go over it with you too. But def understand the hesitation. 

Fair enough. That also does mean the fitting isn't truly $300, but closer to $400 or so because you'll likely have to pay for their time and efforts as well (the fitter you are seeing). 

Is there a cheat sheet for the fitter so they can at least know to help better guide you? 

Sorry for all the questions and skepticism! Trying to understand it more because truthfully it's is screaming red flags for me. 

The among of money I have spend self fitting when had I just don't a proper in person fit would be more than I care to admit.

[Nolan220]

22 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Fair enough. That also does mean the fitting isn't truly $300, but closer to $400 or so because you'll likely have to pay for their time and efforts as well (the fitter you are seeing). 

Is there a cheat sheet for the fitter so they can at least know to help better guide you? 

Sorry for all the questions and skepticism! Trying to understand it more because truthfully it's is screaming red flags for me. 

The among of money I have spend self fitting when had I just don't a proper in person fit would be more than I care to admit.

Yeah not sure about a cheat sheet, I just ask high level questions to them, if I get any more info I’ll pass it along 

[Nolan220]

@GolfSpy_APH when I get the case to remote fit I’ll do a review on it and post it here, also before I start we can get a list of questions together from the members to really see if this is worth it or not 

[Josh Parker]

14 minutes ago, Nolan220 said:

@GolfSpy_APH when I get the case to remote fit I’ll do a review on it and post it here, also before I start we can get a list of questions together from the members to really see if this is worth it or not 

I like this thought.

1. Does the $300 go towards the purchase of the clubs?

2. What all comes in the "box"? Any way to check loft/lie? Face Impact Positions?

3. Are you supposed to take video from behind and in front for the fitting?

 

[Nolan220]

32 minutes ago, Josh Parker said:

I like this thought.

1. Does the $300 go towards the purchase of the clubs?

2. What all comes in the "box"? Any way to check loft/lie? Face Impact Positions?

3. Are you supposed to take video from behind and in front for the fitting?

 

Good questions didn’t even think of video.. when the guy I spoke too didn’t mention anything about the $300 going towards clubs but I’ll ask, from the pictures the clubs are mostly blank to avoid biases .. prob could figure it out though. I’ll ask these questions when I speak to them but could be in a month 

[Owengeorge13]

“The remote fitting is the same process as when you come to our studio. We test all 8 variables in isolation to see what works and what doesn’t for each player. Once you receive the kit, we explain and walk you through it. We capture strike location and ball data for any launchmonitor you have available to you. Once all the clubs are hit and we look over the results, we then write out a prescription for OEM heads and shafts as well as custom Foreward options. so far we have fit 20 people remotely from pros to beginners. Results have been just as good as flying out to see us”

 

”Remote fitting results are the same as in person. Blind test completely unbiased. And the best part is the player cannot self sabotage the fitting”

above is a response from Chad.

Edited January 23 by Owengeorge13

[Josh Parker]

14 minutes ago, Owengeorge13 said:

“The remote fitting is the same process as when you come to our studio. We test all 8 variables in isolation to see what works and what doesn’t for each player. Once you receive the kit, we explain and walk you through it. We capture strike location and ball data for any launchmonitor you have available to you. Once all the clubs are hit and we look over the results, we then write out a prescription for OEM heads and shafts as well as custom Foreward options. so far we have fit 20 people remotely from pros to beginners. Results have been just as good as flying out to see us”

 

”Remote fitting results are the same as in person. Blind test completely unbiased. And the best part is the player cannot self sabotage the fitting”

above is a response from Chad.

I'm interested to see what's in the kit and the actual process as it plays out.  Not saying it can't be done or successful but not knowing the process 100% leaves a lot to the imagination.

I really like the look of the house irons and his builds so I hope that it works out and to learn more about the remote fitting.

[Rob Person]

What happens if the build they fit you into ends up being not what works best for you after you recieved the clubs and use them?

[Josh Parker]

1 minute ago, Rob Person said:

What happens if the build they fit you into ends up being not what works best for you after you recieved the clubs and use them?

That's always the risk any time you buy clubs/equipment, fitted or not.  

[GolfSpy_APH]

35 minutes ago, Rob Person said:

What happens if the build they fit you into ends up being not what works best for you after you recieved the clubs and use them?

Fitted clubs are just that fitted so unless it's a loft or lie issue it means you are set with them.

It's kinda why I prefer the in person experience (preferably also outdoors)

[ILMgolfnut]

Very interesting! I'm not in the market for irons and $160-200 per club is out of my price range anyway, but I will be intrigued to see how this works and to read the review from @Nolan220 on the self-fit kit.

[Owengeorge13]

More from Chad on the Foreward golf fitting process/remote fitting:

“The total amount is $299 for the remote fitting. No strings attached. This process Worked successfully for three professionals as well as very beginners. These results are guaranteed.
I have a guy sponsored by Taylor made, Ping Callaway and titlest coming to get fit by our process. And getting completely different prescriptions, written, and playing  Better Golf.”

Edited January 23 by Owengeorge13

[GolfSpy BOS]

Even generally knowing my likely specs I'm not sure id be willing to fork over hundreds of dollars to get a kit of clubs where I could basically do the same thing for free at my local PGASS.  

There's a lot that goes into interpreting the data and fine tuning the strike location with weight, lie adjustments, shaft profile changes, etc.

Just as an example, last year when I was being fit for my Edel irons my fitter showed me a chart on the flightscope report of how consistently I was delivering a particular shaft.  Turns out while I loved the shaft I was using there were better option to improve the consistency in my swing.  Without his expert knowledge, the Flightscope, and the software, I would not have been able to tell that from my swings.  

Then there's the social aspect of it.  I enjoy going to my fitter and the experience of trying out new clubs and talk all things golf.

I guess that was just a long way of saying I'm not sure I get the value proposition of this fitting model from foreward golf.  

[Javs]

6 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Fitted clubs are just that fitted so unless it's a loft or lie issue it means you are set with them.

It's kinda why I prefer the in person experience (preferably also outdoors)

I agree totally. Any fitting I do has to be outdoors. One some people swing different inside and two I need to see the flight myself. I like seeing the numbers, but as a feel player I need to feel and see what is happening. My best fittings are when the fitter looks at the numbers and I watch the ball flight. When the two are in sync then I have a winner. 

[Owengeorge13]

Great video from Chad Dietz 

[Syks7]

I've been following this guy since I talked to @GolfSpy SAM earlier this year.   He's started to get more in depth into the process and I've watched parts of a couple Livestream fittings.   It's a pretty intriguing and extremely well thought out methodology.   I love the granular detail about all the variables they check.  I saw one video where George Gankas went through the process and was surprised how much he liked the Jumbo grips the fitting suggested -- based on how it seemed to enhance a swing feel of his.

 Its high in my list to go do a fitting.  Not necessarily for new irons, but to see what my 'scrip' looks like based on all the variables.   From there I may tune what I have since I'm reasonably sure ( through lots of trial and error) that I've found the sole design that's best for me.  

[GolfSpy SAM]

2 hours ago, Syks7 said:

I've been following this guy since I talked to @GolfSpy SAM earlier this year.   He's started to get more in depth into the process and I've watched parts of a couple Livestream fittings.   It's a pretty intriguing and extremely well thought out methodology.   I love the granular detail about all the variables they check.  I saw one video where George Gankas went through the process and was surprised how much he liked the Jumbo grips the fitting suggested -- based on how it seemed to enhance a swing feel of his.

 Its high in my list to go do a fitting.  Not necessarily for new irons, but to see what my 'scrip' looks like based on all the variables.   From there I may tune what I have since I'm reasonably sure ( through lots of trial and error) that I've found the sole design that's best for me.  

If you get a date, let me know, I'll see if I can join to film/photo some stuff so you can focus on the fit.

[Syks7]

2 hours ago, GolfSpy SAM said:

If you get a date, let me know, I'll see if I can join to film/photo some stuff so you can focus on the fit.

Definitely.  I feel like I'm coming off of a step back with my swing.  It's starting to feel strong again after some adjustments.  Will let you know when I decide to do it.

[JAYER38]

So I looked into this again as I'm very interest in trying this. And the remote fitting can be for as many players as you can "fit" into what I assume is a certain time frame as you can keep the set forever.

Would anyone in the Richmond/Hampton Roads area of Virginia be interested in doing the remote fitting with me? Split the cost so that's now $150/person or we can add 1-2 more and it get really cheap!

I have a BLP we can use and GSPro/FSX to see ball flight/data

[Rob Person]

7 hours ago, JAYER38 said:

So I looked into this again as I'm very interest in trying this. And the remote fitting can be for as many players as you can "fit" into what I assume is a certain time frame as you can keep the set forever.

Would anyone in the Richmond/Hampton Roads area of Virginia be interested in doing the remote fitting with me? Split the cost so that's now $150/person or we can add 1-2 more and it get really cheap!

I have a BLP we can use and GSPro/FSX to see ball flight/data

If you were to do that, would the company accept others fitting specs without charging them too? What if they require extra data from the others?

It's a great idea to reduce costs on the consumer side of things.