MissionMan Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 I don't think its about sacrificing distance for accuracy. I think it's about playing to the course. It isn't a hard and fast rule for any shot. My drives are typically around the 260-270 mark. I have a natural draw to my ball, with an occasional hook. If I tee the ball down, I lose about 20 yards, but I hit a low fade but it's consistent and straight because I come down on the ball. When I look at a hole, I typically try to play to an approach that gives me a guarantee of hitting the green, or at least a good chance. Anything 7 iron or less is a good shot to be on the green, 5 and 4 iron would give me a chance but I'd have less chance of making par. Whilst my wedge gives me a greater chance, I have to weigh up the risks of being too wayward off the drive and a bogie, so do I go for birdie and risk a bogie or do I go for par? I also look at the fairway width. Big wide fairways with very little in the way of hazards have more of a chance of hitting driver. Do bunkers come into play if I hit a full drive? So if I am playing a 350 yard par 4, is there a real benefit to going full driver or even fairway finder? Most of the time, I'd rather be a full club away, so in the case of a 350 yard par 4, I'm okay with a 5 iron off the tee, which guarantees me a fairway spot, particularly if a bit of water is in play, and then a 9 iron into the green depending on the wind. It also gives me more options in terms of position on the fairway. With driver I'm happy to be on the fairway, with iron I can pick a location on the fairway for a better line into the green and be confident I'm at least close to that location. So here is an example of where I would use a fairway finder. If I hit iron or a 3W, it's going to be marginally too short to get around the tree on the left and depending on the pin placement, that could be a problem. The 3W would be close to my fairway finder, but it also brings the risk of a draw back in play It doesn't look like it here, but the branches stick out quite far into the fairway meaning its too long to get a wedge over. Other issue here is out of bounds on the left, but not on the right so the risk of using a fairway finder is low if I fade too much. I start it on the right edge of the tree sticking out and fades to the right side of the fairway. Nice position to hit into the green. Good shot at pin chasing from that position. Here is where I am more inclined to use an iron. Both the fairway finder and driver could be waterbound if I send them right. It's a big carry to go over the water. The green is drivable for me, but it's a big carry, basically my perfect shot, maybe 1/20. There is out of bounds to the left so it's not worth the risk of a hook? The fairway finder, while not bad here could fade a little too much into the water so it brings the water in play. From an iron perspective, I could hit an iron at the middle of the fairway, if it draws it's still inside the fairway, if it fades, it's a tough line to the hole, but it's a long green from that side so hitting a 9 iron into this elevated green won't be an issue as I have a fair amount of green to play with. Even if I hit it badly, I still have an iron into the green. EnderinAZ, IndyBonzo, benrd5420 and 1 other 4 Quote GT2 10° Project X HZRDUS 6.0 Black 5G 60 GT2 16.5° Project X HZRDUS 6.0 Black 5G 70 TSR2 18° HZRDUS Black 6.0 4G 2 Iron T200 Utility HZRDUS Black 6.0 4 Iron T200 Utility HZRDUS Black 6.0 T150 5- PW (44) Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 Stiff Vokey SM9 48.10 F Grind, Vokey SM9 54.10 S Grind, Vokey SM9 60.08 M Grind, L.A.B DF3 Armlock Grip Master Tour Wrap Grips Garmin Z30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderinAZ Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 9 hours ago, Preeway said: I’m going to go get fitted for a new shaft to see if that helps my dispersion before I succumb to shorter hits off the tee. Hmmmmm that might be the next thing to do. Put the shaft I am using now into the club heaad 6 years and two surgeries ago. That said I drove the ball really well today. Lost one ball because I hit it through the fairway and into a pond. The pond was 262 yards away. Other than that I had a fine day. A 77 on a par 73 course with two birdies. No chance for skins though, they were both canceled by the time we walked off the green. Rob Person, IndyBonzo and Preeway 2 1 Quote Driver Sim Max2 Hybrids G430 2, 3, 4 Irons ZX4 6-PW Wedges Hi-Toe 50, 54, 58 Putter 2Ball Ten ArmLock Golf cart MGI Zip Navigator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakit300 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 30 yards?!?!? ZJeb67, Rob Person and IndyBonzo 3 Quote Aerojet LS 9° / Brava BGT SE F/4 Stealth FW 5 / TPT 16 MK/MT/SW M3 3/19° Rescue / Fujikura Ventus Red 7-S iCrossover 4 / Fx200H M4 Srixon ZX7 (5-AW) - ProModus3 Tour 120 T20 56° & 60°/ ProModus3 Tour 125 Wedge Royal GRIP V Sand Wrap L.A.B. MEZZ.1 / L.A.B. Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancer1983 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 For me distance has to be start point, my approach game is pretty dialed in if…… I am able to get that marble in play. Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote high to fly ! Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alii1959 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 My home course is heavily wooded. If you are off the fairway very much you are probably not going to advance the ball. In addition, many of our holes have positional issues. A long drive that is on the "wrong" side can easily result is being blocked out. All that said, taking the proper club for the conditions is the right move. I am not a long hitter, a 250+ yard drive has me jumpy-up-and-down excited, provided it is in play. I play with folks who out drive me constantly, but when we walk off the green I am nearly always the one with the lowest score. I find it really funny when people brag constantly about their booming drives and constantly shoot way over par. The long drives are not the key. The key is having the short game to deal with the poor accuracy. Most people don't have that and would be better served with a shorter drive that resulted in a better lie. As has been said, most people don't practice. Without practice, hitting long (especially on my home course) gets you very little advantage. I do play with folks who are long and accurate...scary Neanderthals. I was taught a lesson about this decades ago. A very skinny very old man asked if his wife could play along with me. I said sure. She was a dried up excuse for a human. That dried up old woman never hit the ball over 150yds. However, she never missed. I out drove her over 100yds nearly every hole...into the bunker, trees, OB, etc., sometimes even the fairway. She beat me and beat me for 9 holes. She pared or birdied every hole. It was a pathetic exercise in testosterone on my part. She was the #1 senior female in Georgia at the time. Lesson learned. Kevin W, IndyBonzo, ZJeb67 and 1 other 4 Quote Cobra LTDx one-length 6-SW Cobra Aerojet 2,3,4,5 Hybrids--85g stiff shafts Cobra F8 10.5* Driver Cleveland CBX 58* Wedge Ping Anser2 G2 putter Dedicated Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2ohzrd Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I consistently hit 85%+ of fairways but could use distance, so, no. Shot 78 yesterday, hit 12/14 fairways but only 7 GIR because driving distance leaves me with a longer club into the green. If it wasn’t for my putting I would be shooting >85. Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie T Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 On 5/29/2024 at 7:28 AM, cnosil said: Simple answer no. FW hit is basically a meaningless number. the closer you are to the hole the better chance you can get it in the hole in fewer strokes. Driver dispersion patterns are wide and while hitting fairways is ideal, just give me a shot that I can advance toward the green. Fully agree - I need all the distance I can get, even when playing for position (hard dog legs, over water, etc). Tighter dispersion is key, but missed fairways (just remember one foot off is still a missed fairway) is overrated especially when the rough is short…the courses I play this means more of a fluffed lie rather than a buried one… Rob Person, IndyBonzo and cnosil 3 Quote WITB? G400 SFT w/Aldila NXT GEN NVS 55 Aflex ; G410 3w; G400 3h(19), 4h(22), 5h(26) - stock Ping Alta CB R-Flex; SMS 6i, 7i - KBS TourLIte 95 R-Flex; Maltby TS1 8i-9i-PW w/Apollo Acculite 85 R flex; INDI FLX-S wedges (50, 54, 58) w/Recoil graphite shafts -R-Flex and AI-One 7T BD Milled (aka Millie), ball choice tends to be Pro-V1 or simliar 3pc urethane balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drb1956 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Not a long hitter, never have been. Average 210-220 most of the time, with driver. When I need to, I do try to get a 240, but doesn't always happen. As I get older(67), distance does not appeal to me as much as it used to. Being more accurate, on the fairway, is my mantra as of late. I am a high capper, so accuracy is a premium for me. When I do hit fairways with any consistency, score definetely goes down. My swing is not consistent at this time, so driver can be a big liability for me during a round, to where I just need to leave it in the bag. Accuracy with approach shots can also be problematic for me, adding to the scorecard. I have done lessons, swing evals, video training, and it just does not translate to the course, and at this late stage, I just play to get out of the house with friends. I still try to make the game better for me with a tweek here and there, but most are temporary, so I just make the best if it. I just don't play enough to be consistent over the season, so when I do play, not losing a ball is a goal during a round, and trying to keep it it on my fairway, and not the next one over... IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote Driver-Ping g410 SFT, 3W-Callaway Diablo Octane, Hybrids-Snake Eyes Viper 18*+ 21*, Irons-GigaGolf Reva Hybrid Irons 24*- 46*, Wedges-Cleveland CBX2's 50*54*58*, Putter-Cleveland Huntington Beach Soft 11c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8golfer Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Well I guess I would want to know WHY I was getting less accuracy. Was I fit with the wrong shaft or loft?? Hitting fairways does build my confidence and it’s tough to practice recovery shots. I can make up 15 or 20 yards with my second shot and short game. tdc1, IndyBonzo and Rob Person 3 Quote Texas golfer always looking to execute the next shot. 2 Aces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer1961 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 On 5/28/2024 at 8:56 PM, Michael.Sandoval33 said: Right now, I have fairly consistent accuracy but I believe that I am not progressing in my game due to lack of distance. A factor I would have to consider if I traded accuracy for more distance would be playing the lie differently if not on the fairway. It's kind of a double edged sword at this time for me. Change tee boxes, no need to 'tip it out' and play from 7000 yards. Personally I think most amateurs should play from about 6000 yards, At that distance it's still a very good test (more than most think in fact) and we aren't trying to compete at professional levels. IndyBonzo, Rob Person and tdc1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoomaster Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Thankfully I don't miss many fairways. At 75 I only get it out there 210-220 so I would certainly love a few extra yards. Rob Person, IndyBonzo and tdc1 3 Quote ZenMaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
release Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 On 5/28/2024 at 7:32 PM, EnderinAZ said: So would you do it? Give up 30 yards in driver distance to go from hitting six fairways a round to hitting 12 or more? It is more, much more difficult to gain distance than accuracy. Accuracy is a minor cure than trying to gain another 30 yards. Rob Person 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac attack Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I have cut my drivers down to 44” for the last 4 years, I did loose about 15 yards, but I do find it much easier to get in the fairways. ebaileymershon, Rob Person and IndyBonzo 3 Quote Kevin McDonald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaileymershon Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 73 years old, 17 handicap, fit profile 205 driving. Accuracy is more important. GIR has always been my weakness. 1.9 to 2.0 putts per round. Playing really well short game lowers score not GIR. Playing graphite shafts, forgiving irons, gave up about 1/2 club. User error is primary problem. IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote Ed Bailey-Mershon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krls032022 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I already have it’s called “getting older” and like it or not the distance leaves you. I’m 74 and my 7 iron is 135 yards when it used to be 155 yards 10 years ago. Deal with it !!!!! Rob Person, IndyBonzo and ebaileymershon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri-Martin Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 It is a very interesting topic. As we get older, we start losing distance... but at the same time we are improving our accuracy. I am 65 years old with 4 handicap and I hit my driver approximately 230 yards. If I play from the back tees, most of the time I struggle with distances on long par 4. The point is that I would give up accuracy to get an extra 50 yards in order to get back the 280 yards from my young age. IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MN Loon Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Accuracy, in my opinion, is far more important than a few more yards. I don’t hit long off the tee anymore (210-220) but often beat folks who can hit 30 to 50 yds. longer who have trouble staying in the fairway. The course you play makes a huge difference. Tall rough, trees, water, and bunkers eliminate most of the advantages of longer, less accurate drivers. In fact, I think they cause golfers to score more doubles and triples, which negatively impacts other parts of their game as they fall behind and start to push trying to catch up. Now, if I could hit long and find the fairway… IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote Titleist TSR1 Driver @ 10.5 Titleist TSR1 FW @ 16.5 Titleist TSR1 HB @ 19 Titleist TSR1 HB @ 24 Titleist T300: 6-U Titleist SM9: 52, 56, 60 Cleveland 2 Smart Square Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 For me I would trade the distance to get more accuracy. My opinion is it depends on the course you are playing. If, it has tight fairways with trees on both sides then yes I need accuracy since if you miss most likely you are punching out and then you need to stick your wedge and 1 putt. If the course is more open then no I would pound it down there as far as I could. I play both types of courses. I shoot worse on the tighter course since I miss to many fairways. It all comes down to course management which to be honest there are days I'm terrible at it as are many others I'm sure. Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGreene Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I adjusted my game to intentionally sacrifice distance for control, especially because my home course will destroy you once you get off the fairway. It helps that my distance sacrifice still results in 250 yard drives. If I'm playing at an easier course, which allows for more dispersion, then I will certainly go for it. Suffice it to say that it will always depend on the course, which gets us down to playing golf is more than just hitting a ball. Course management (and mental management) are significant factors as well. Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote Callaway GBB Epic, Callaway Razr X Black 3W, Callaway X14 Pro, Cleveland CG15, Odyssey White Hot #5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punster46 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I would take accuracy over distance without a second thought accuracy will save strokes in the long run Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick gauts Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I was looking at new irons and found one brand that gained me 10-15 yards on my 7i . But I don't want those extra yards as I'm happy with my gaping . I would like to play a bit more with my driver and tinker that as I know I have more to give without swinging out of my shoes. I demoed some newer drivers and gained 30-40 yards and was hitting it straighter. But end of day accuracy over distance . Just club up if you need too and if it's 250 yards out.... odds are it'll be 2 shots anyways IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote I can 3 putt from anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryLondon Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 At 71 I need all the distance I can get. However if your playing a short tight course that demands accuracy distance would not be as important. Young kids hit the ball miles past me and there is a big difference hitting a wedge versus a 6 iron. But for my age I need distance or some holes can’t be reached in regulation. Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote Taylor made P770, Ping G425 driver and 3w, and Calaway Heavenwood, Hybrid,Vokey wedges, Scotty Newport putter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aero Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Put me in the accuracy camp as well. My scores almost always depend on my accuracy off the tee box. Drive well = score well. Occasionally I have an "on fire" putting day where I can overcome some misses off the box, but generally everything else stays consistent overall. That said I also agree with others that the course you're playing makes a huge difference as well. IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I'm a shorter knocker so distance off the tee for me is more important. Accuracy definitely still matters, however I'd still take 260 off the tee and in the rough vs 225-230 out and in the fairway. Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Halo XL 5i-DW CBX 54* & 58* ER5 Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckeller52 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I put a 3 wood shaft in a Ping 410 head two weeks ago and have only missed 4 fairways since. My distance has stayed in the 235 to 245 carry range and I'm 67 years old. Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote -ckeller52 What's in the bag? This is.... IRONS Srixon ZX5 5-AW fitted with Elements Recoil 806 F2 Shafts WEDGE's Vokey SM9 54* 14 Fitted with Elements Recoil 806 F2 Shafts and A 60* Jean Carlo Golf Wedge (Amazon) DRIVER M6 3 WOOD GX-7 14° HYBRIDS cobra King F9 Speedback 3&4 KBS TOUR HB GRAPHITE 75 R PUTTER L.A.B Link1 33" Lamkin Sonar+ Tour Calibrate Standard Golf Grips I also use Garmin Approach S70 and a Bushnell V3 (no slope) And a Full Swing Kit launch monitor for the three times a week or so when I practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I am not a big hitter off the tee, at the same time I am already 50-60% FIR so I don't see this as an issue. I wouldn't give up more distance for more accuracy than that, I usually keep it in play anyway. There are studies that indicate the number one predicator of lower scores is longer drive, so I would even accept a bit less accuracy for distance if it lowered my overall score, which is likely the case. IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote 425's- 5i to PW, UW G400 Driver, G425 3W, G425 7W, G425 3H 56 degree Hi-Toe wedge Glide 60 degree Evnroll ER3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mholzer Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 The age old question - leads me to say it depends. When I am golfing with the guys, sometimes the distance is worth it...but if I am playing course management going straight for score? Definitely going with accuracy. I average 240 with my 3 hybrid, and hit a consistent 270 with my driver...so there are a number of times where I default to my hybrid because I guarantee accuracy over the 30 yard distance. Rob Person and IndyBonzo 2 Quote What's in the bag? DRIVER - Taylormade SIM2 Max, Extra Stiff Shaft 3 WOOD - Cobra Fly Z HYBRIDS - Cobra F7 - 3 and 4 IRONS - Cobra F7 - 5-PW WEDGE's - Cobra PUR - 52 and 56 degree PUTTER - Scotty Cameron - Super Select Newport 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartak Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I’d give up 5-10 yards but not more. I’d like to gain yardage but lose accuracy so I stay where I am. Mid to late 60’s and still hit it 260-270 when I pop it. But I can stay accurate so that helps. Try to play from 6200-6400yds on courses so some par 5’s are 3 shots but I rely on my wedges then. IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote Steve Martak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I already do. I only hit it about 245 but I keep it in play 95% of the time. Personally I love it. I know guys that hit it 285-300 plus but are all over the place. IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote Titleist TSR2 driver Titleist TSR2 3 wood Taylormade Sim2 7 wood Titleist T300/T200 combo irons Vokey SM8 52F/56S/60M wedges scotty cameron Newport 2 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfGel Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I am already pretty accurate off the tee (10-12 fairways hit each round), but am usually the first one of my foursome hitting their second shot. I would take more distance and then work on my accuracy, with the hope that my second shots are more eight and nine irons rather than four and five hybrids. IndyBonzo and Rob Person 2 Quote Prof Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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