Popular Post KJano05 Posted Sunday at 02:04 AM Popular Post Share Posted Sunday at 02:04 AM Time to Ditch Iron Numbers? Why Loft Should Be the Only Label on Your Clubs Golf has a tradition of labeling irons with numbers, but is that system outdated? As manufacturers tweak lofts to squeeze out more distance, a 7-iron from one set can have the same loft as a 5-iron from another. So, why do we still rely on numbers that no longer mean the same thing across different brands? The Case for Loft-Only Labels Loft is what really matters when it comes to determining how far and high your ball flies. Two irons labeled with the same number can perform completely differently depending on their lofts. Imagine if you knew you were hitting a 34-degree club instead of just a “7-iron.” Wouldn’t that make it easier to compare clubs, track your performance, and make better decisions on the course? Why Stick to an Outdated System? Some argue that iron numbers are a tradition that provides simplicity. But does it really simplify the game when the same number can mean different things depending on the brand? Switching to loft-only labeling would give golfers a clearer, more consistent understanding of their clubs and remove the confusion created by varying lofts. Let’s Debate: Tradition vs. Clarity Is it time to ditch the iron numbers? Would loft-only labels make the game more transparent, or would it complicate things further? Let’s hear your thoughts—does tradition still have a place in modern golf, or is it time for a change? Indy_Oz, Rob Person, Willie T and 8 others 9 2 Quote NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Map Oscar Posted Sunday at 02:09 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:09 AM Finally something I can get behind!!! Numbered Irons are annoying. Please for the love of golf just put the loft number on them. My buddy is hitting a 7 iron that's 27* mine is 33* it's meaningless at this point. KJano05, Indy_Oz, Rob Person and 5 others 7 1 Quote I should be golfing instead of talking smack on the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJano05 Posted Sunday at 02:12 AM Author Share Posted Sunday at 02:12 AM 1 minute ago, Off Map Oscar said: Finally something I can get behind!!! Numbered Irons are annoying. Please for the love of golf just put the loft number on them. My buddy is hitting a 7 iron that's 27* mine is 33* it's meaningless at this point. 100% agree! Companies do it for ego boost sales! You go to buy an new irons and you’re hitting the new 7 iron 185 due to the loft and boom, customer is hooked haha not knowing they’re hitting more like a 6 or 5.5 Rob Person, cksurfdude and Willie T 3 Quote NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted Sunday at 02:31 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:31 AM (edited) I actually will agree on this too. It's not just with irons Wedges have shifted to this starting a number of years ago too. Even hybrids are labeled in lofts vs numbers for at least 15 years. A unified system would definitely simplify things in club selection. BTW, while looking for a specific meaning behind why they are numbered, this little history lesson was enlightening. https://golfcollege.edu/evolution-golf-club/ As to why they won't relabel them, because they can be adjusted so easily now. So while your 7i may be stock loft, if it had a degree label, it wouldn't match that when it is adjusted. Edited Sunday at 02:34 AM by Rob Person William P, Willie T, B_R_A_D_Y and 1 other 4 Quote WITB- Driver -Titleist 910D, 3w- Titleist 910F, 5hy/7hy- Titleist 910H, 6-PW - Stix , 52⁰, 56⁰, 60⁰ - Stix , Putter- AI-ONE DB / Lombardi Tour 34 custom Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted Sunday at 02:39 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:39 AM Hogan tried this with their FW15 irons about nine years ago. I thought it was a great idea. Not enough others did. MN Loon, cksurfdude, William P and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossfan Posted Sunday at 02:43 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:43 AM Does it really matter? Whether it’s the loft or a number printed on the club head you are going to figure out what yardage you hit that club. Then said club ( number or loft) becomes your say 150 yard club and you go from there. At least that’s how I look at it. VernL4, The TXBexar, Rob Person and 6 others 8 1 Quote D- Tour Edge EXS 220 4W- Sub 70 949X Hybrid- Sub 70 949X Utility- Sub 70 699 U 21 degree Irons- Sub 70 749 5-PW Wedges- Sub 70 286 50+54, Tour Edge 1 out 58 degree Putter- Cleveland Huntington Beach soft # 11 Ball- Titleist Tour Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeakyValve Posted Sunday at 02:43 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:43 AM Love this. I think the easiest way this would work would be doing what some companies like Cleveland did in the past. Numbered clubs with the lofts in small writing under it. Then there's no guessing. Love this take though. William P, Rob Person, The TXBexar and 1 other 4 Quote "We're weekend golfers. Of course we just buy gear off the racks and wonder why it doesn't work" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted Sunday at 02:57 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:57 AM 7 minutes ago, Bossfan said: Does it really matter? Whether it’s the loft or a number printed on the club head you are going to figure out what yardage you hit that club. Then said club ( number or loft) becomes your say 150 yard club and you go from there. At least that’s how I look at it. Some players are very particular about little details while others are strictly practical. Titleist T-400 6-iron loft, 23°. Louisville Golf Tom Stewart 6-iron, 40°. No big deal? Some say no, but all of us don't agree. William P, The TXBexar and Rob Person 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shankster Posted Sunday at 04:12 AM Popular Post Share Posted Sunday at 04:12 AM They ought to just leave them blank so we all have to guess what they are. That would add a bit of extra excitement. They could save on manufacturing costs, and we can name them whatever we want. Hey can your grab my “Cream Cheese and Bagel club”. That would be the 150 club in my bag. The Ice Tea would be the 205 club, and Ace Hardware would be the driver. I could be on to something here… GolfSpy_BNG, Swood1994, cnosil and 9 others 1 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaskanski Posted Sunday at 08:10 AM Share Posted Sunday at 08:10 AM (edited) Every time I read one of these threads, I wonder if it's a sense of entitlement of what their perception of a club # should be in terms of loft, distance etc. Who cares what the number on the iron or whatever says? It may as well be differnent farmyard animals to differentiate one club from another. The whole point is it's still the end user who has to make that club go the distance and direction they want. Edited Sunday at 08:11 AM by jaskanski William P, B_R_A_D_Y, Willie T and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zengineer Posted Sunday at 08:52 AM Share Posted Sunday at 08:52 AM If the big names would all just stop monkeying with lofts we would be fine...but monkeys gonna monkey.The problem with loft only labels is that people don't grasp that yardage and loft do not have a linear relationship. People obcess over having wedges at 48, 52, 56, 60 with no idea whether they produce equal yardage gaps.Loft gaps are typically only about 3 degrees at the top end but more like 5 or even 6 degrees down low. At the end of the day, you still need to know your yardage for every club in the bag. I'd rather associate 155 yards carry to a simple single digit club number "7" than to "my 30.5 degree iron".And what do I gain by knowing that my 7 iron is 30.5 and not 30 or 32 degrees? Depending on shaft, face design, head weighting, etc. it's still an open question as to how far I'll hit it.So no, leave the numbers and maybe stop messing with everything else while they are at it. Josh Parker, Rob Person, cksurfdude and 5 others 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Josh Parker Posted Sunday at 09:23 AM Popular Post Share Posted Sunday at 09:23 AM I don't care what number is on my club as long as I know the carry distance on each. If we really played by the rules, my playing partners aren't asking what club I hit and I don't care what they are hitting. So whether it's a 7 or symbol or loft, and it goes 170, that's the club. William P, The TXBexar, Swood1994 and 8 others 6 1 2 2 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted Sunday at 09:48 AM Share Posted Sunday at 09:48 AM Symbols? Hmmmm? I can't say for sure, but it would be pretty funny to watch someone be asked "hey Jim, can you grab my pink bunny club for me" William P, TheOther1, VernL4 and 3 others 3 3 Quote WITB- Driver -Titleist 910D, 3w- Titleist 910F, 5hy/7hy- Titleist 910H, 6-PW - Stix , 52⁰, 56⁰, 60⁰ - Stix , Putter- AI-ONE DB / Lombardi Tour 34 custom Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionMan Posted Sunday at 10:25 AM Share Posted Sunday at 10:25 AM 7 hours ago, Bossfan said: Does it really matter? Whether it’s the loft or a number printed on the club head you are going to figure out what yardage you hit that club. Then said club ( number or loft) becomes your say 150 yard club and you go from there. At least that’s how I look at it. I’m in this camp. Who cares what the number is. As long as the gap is correct, thats all that matters. It’s only a problem if you’re worried about competing with length on your friends. I couldn’t care less if they hit longer than me. I care more about whether a shot is hitting the green. What would be more difficult is reading the numbers on your club because you’re not looking for two digits instead of one. If it’s 22 and 25 degrees, there is more chance of picking the wrong club where as 5 and 6 are more obvious. The TXBexar, TheOther1, LebanonOz and 4 others 2 5 Quote GT2 10° Project X HZRDUS 6.0 Black 5G 60 GT2 16.5° Project X HZRDUS 6.0 Black 5G 70 TSR2 18° HZRDUS Black 6.0 4G 2 Iron T200 Utility HZRDUS Black 6.0 4 Iron T200 Utility HZRDUS Black 6.0 T150 5- PW (44) Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 Stiff Vokey SM9 48.10 F Grind, Vokey SM9 54.10 S Grind, Vokey SM9 60.08 M Grind, L.A.B DF3 Armlock Grip Master Tour Wrap Grips Garmin Z30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Josh Parker Posted Sunday at 10:41 AM Popular Post Share Posted Sunday at 10:41 AM 48 minutes ago, Rob Person said: Symbols? Hmmmm? I can't say for sure, but it would be pretty funny to watch someone be asked "hey Jim, can you grab my pink bunny club for me" 3i = 4i = 5i = 6i = 7i = 8i = 9i = PW = Willie T, Rob Person, TheOther1 and 12 others 13 2 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted Sunday at 11:22 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:22 AM 41 minutes ago, Josh Parker said: 3i = 4i = 5i = 6i = 7i = 8i = 9i = PW = Perfect!!! sirchunksalot, William P and cksurfdude 3 Quote WITB- Driver -Titleist 910D, 3w- Titleist 910F, 5hy/7hy- Titleist 910H, 6-PW - Stix , 52⁰, 56⁰, 60⁰ - Stix , Putter- AI-ONE DB / Lombardi Tour 34 custom Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Parker Posted Sunday at 11:25 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:25 AM 2 minutes ago, Rob Person said: Perfect!!! Time to order the stamping kit. Temu here I come... cksurfdude, TJ Hall, TheOther1 and 3 others 4 2 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted Sunday at 12:36 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:36 PM I like it the way it is and only care about seeing the loft number on my wedges and I can easily look up what the loft is on my irons with a quick Internet search. These are the Cobra Forged Tec X irons I was fit into last year. I don't mind seeing a variety of lofts on different 7 irons, we all have different needs in order to get the right performance out of our equipment and I'm glad the club manufacturers offer so many options to make the game more enjoyable. I have sets of more "traditional" lofts and the 7 irons go as far as my current 9 (110 yards) which would make the game more difficult for me since I would have to hit longer irons in on approach shots and I would honestly quit playing if I'm not having fun out there. William P, Shankster, Josh Parker and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted Sunday at 12:45 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:45 PM 10 hours ago, KJano05 said: Time to Ditch Iron Numbers? Why Loft Should Be the Only Label on Your Clubs Golf has a tradition of labeling irons with numbers, but is that system outdated? As manufacturers tweak lofts to squeeze out more distance, a 7-iron from one set can have the same loft as a 5-iron from another. So, why do we still rely on numbers that no longer mean the same thing across different brands? The Case for Loft-Only Labels Loft is what really matters when it comes to determining how far and high your ball flies. Two irons labeled with the same number can perform completely differently depending on their lofts. Imagine if you knew you were hitting a 34-degree club instead of just a “7-iron.” Wouldn’t that make it easier to compare clubs, track your performance, and make better decisions on the course? Why Stick to an Outdated System? Some argue that iron numbers are a tradition that provides simplicity. But does it really simplify the game when the same number can mean different things depending on the brand? Switching to loft-only labeling would give golfers a clearer, more consistent understanding of their clubs and remove the confusion created by varying lofts. Let’s Debate: Tradition vs. Clarity Is it time to ditch the iron numbers? Would loft-only labels make the game more transparent, or would it complicate things further? Let’s hear your thoughts—does tradition still have a place in modern golf, or is it time for a change? I personally have have no issues with the numbers because I am focused on my game and the way my clubs perform. I don't really reference what other 7 irons go because well they aren't my clubs. The same thing can be said for shafts, why do we have SR, R, S, XS and so on as there is no industry standard. For me some things are the way that they are and for the simplicity of those getting into the game it is best to keep things as is. I couldn't imagine being a newer golfer going into a store and seeing 46,42,38,34,30,27,24,21 on irons... I would be baffled and more intimidated than anything. It would require a whole new level of expertise and knowledge to be passed along. While it makes sense for us, the general consumer would be hurt by making this change. Again it would be the same if shafts were changed to a breakdown in tip flexes, torque profiles, weights and all that. The general consumer just wants to know if it is a S or R or whatever flex. cnosil, William P, sirchunksalot and 4 others 5 1 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Map Oscar Posted Sunday at 01:56 PM Share Posted Sunday at 01:56 PM (edited) 2 arguments against just loft numbers I've seen here is it doesn't matter i know blank is my blank club and beginners will be confused. Let's break that down a bit. Let say for example you're playing a friendly non cash game with a friend. You're about the same 120 yards from the flag with water on thr back side. So you take your 9-Iron and with a little help from the wind pipe one just to back edge of the green almost into the water. Your partner being concerned he asks what did you hit? 9-Iron. Oof the wind up there must be worse than I thought so he clubs down to a PW. But you play a jacked 9-Iron from pxg with a 36* loft and his 9iron is 42* and by clubbing down he's now holding a 46* and shorts it so much he missed the green. Same scenario. But instead you said I hit a 36* he looks at his club choice and realizes he's already a club under you and sticks it pin high makes the birdie and you all get to have one of those tequila slammers that's been sitting in your bag all year. See it's a win win. Obviously some humor in this situation and club make up plays a bit of difference in distances but not nearly as much as loft. I switched from 115 grain steel shafted jacked clubs to 95 grain graphite shafted traditional lofts and the two clubs at 31* are still my 150 yard club. One was an 8 and the other a 7. I'd be more likely to rent clubs instead of lugging my travel set around if I could look at a loft number and be within 10 yards ish. And seriously if your inside 100 most of you are saying 2 digit number anyway. 55 yards hmm. Better use my 60. It's not harder it's not more complicated and it's accurate. Hell I wish they did it on the TV. When Bryson hits a club with an iron number farther than anyone else ever has.... we'll no . His 7-iron is more jacked than any brand on the market at 25*. So he says I've got 220 to the green I'm just gonna take a nice easy 7 iron. I have to go look it up and oh. He's actually got a 5 iron in his hand or even a 4 for regular people. Now if he said 220 that's a nice easy 25.... okay that tracks I can get 210 out of my 5 if I crank it but I'm gonna need 2 or 3 shots with a 7 to get that far. And the beginner. You wouldn't believe how many relatively new players and even some with a few years I've talked to that had no idea that lofts changed between models of clubs. I've seen some beginners grab an off the shelf iron set then realize they need wedges. Well I'm new let's just grab a 3 pack from a random brand and I'll get better stuff when I'm better. Then I play with them and they've got a huge range gap where their pitching wedge is too far and their 52 is too short. And it makes sense if their game improvement irons have a PW with 41*. So you say it's too complicated for an adult to look at a pair of numbers and see a massive 11 degree gap where everything else is a 4 degree gap I think you're wrong. I've also seen the inverse happen. Beginner player had an iron set with a GW and a sand wedge and also had a wedge set in the bag. I was confused and asked him. He just grabbed what his buddies had told him. He needed an iron set and a wedge set they said. Well not knowing better he bought an iron set that went to SW and he was carrying clubs that had duplicates in the bag. And I noticed this when he was hitting driver on a long par 3. Why don't you have a 3 wood, hybrid or something I asked? No room for it and he couldn't hit the 4 irons well so he just used driver on anything near 200. He'd have known if the loft number was on every club. The TLDR version. Loft number is the only thing that means something anymore. I believe the veteran and beginner would be better served by just lofts. And while not the ultimate indicator of a clubs performance it's substantially better than iron numbers. Edited Sunday at 01:57 PM by Off Map Oscar KJano05, William P and cksurfdude 3 Quote I should be golfing instead of talking smack on the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Parker Posted Sunday at 02:04 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:04 PM (edited) 8 minutes ago, Off Map Oscar said: Let's break that down a bit. Let say for example you're playing a friendly non cash game with a friend. You're about the same 120 yards from the flag with water on thr back You answered what my response would be to my partner already. It's 120yds, what is that club for you? For me, I hit my gap wedge. What I hit and what somebody else hits will always be two separate things. Again, I personally don't care what is on the club as long as I know what distance i hit each club. Edited Sunday at 02:06 PM by Josh Parker cksurfdude, sirchunksalot, cnosil and 2 others 5 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Map Oscar Posted Sunday at 02:37 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:37 PM 20 minutes ago, Josh Parker said: You answered what my response would be to my partner already. It's 120yds, what is that club for you? For me, I hit my gap wedge. What I hit and what somebody else hits will always be two separate things. Again, I personally don't care what is on the club as long as I know what distance i hit each club. What's a gap wedge? This set they lent me at the pro shop has an AW and a LW. I think a lot of us forget what its like to be a high handicap or even brand new. William P, cksurfdude and KJano05 3 Quote I should be golfing instead of talking smack on the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted Sunday at 02:40 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:40 PM 25 minutes ago, Josh Parker said: Again, I personally don't care what is on the club as long as I know what distance i hit each club. Obviously true, but just knowing that the clubs aren't hitting at the distances you want doesn't help you much at all. Faster swing-speed hitters hit 4° gapped irons 12-15 yards apart from one another. Slower swing-speed hitters hit 4° gapped irons 8 or 9 yards apart from each other, and get less variation on long irons gapped only 3° apart. The major OEMs have VERY COMPETENT engineers. They KNOW this. They knew it long before I figured it out. Thus failing to make 5° gapped GI models for slower swing-speed players has to be a deliberate marketing consideration that benefits them but not their customers. I am always disappointed by how much slack the general golf community is willing to cut them. Is it excessive tolerance or lack of understanding? Off Map Oscar, William P, Willie T and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Hall Posted Sunday at 02:40 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:40 PM I have no issue with the numbers on the bottom of the club, doesn’t really matter to me what number it is as long as it goes the distance I need it to. The ego does take a bit of a hit when I’m hitting 7 iron and someone else is hitting PW, although they might really be the same loft! cksurfdude, sirchunksalot and William P 3 Quote TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Driver TaylorMade Stealth 3 wood Titleist U510 Hybrid (3H) TaylorMade Tour Preferred CB Irons Vokey SM8 Wedges (52/56/60) Odyssey Ai-ONE 7S Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted Sunday at 02:42 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:42 PM 1 minute ago, TJ Hall said: I have no issue with the numbers on the bottom of the club, doesn’t really matter to me what number it is as long as it goes the distance I need it to. The ego does take a bit of a hit when I’m hitting 7 iron and someone else is hitting PW, although they might really be the same loft! Again, it isn't so much the strength of the lofts as the gapping between them. William P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Map Oscar Posted Sunday at 02:43 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:43 PM 1 minute ago, RetiredBoomer said: Obviously true, but just knowing that the clubs aren't hitting at the distances you want doesn't help you much at all. Faster swing-speed hitters hit 4° gapped irons 12-15 yards apart from one another. Slower swing-speed hitters hit 4° gapped irons 8 or 9 yards apart from each other, and get less variation on long irons gapped only 3° apart. . Is it excessive tolerance or lack of understanding? I'd say lack of understanding. I play with about 8 different guys fairly regularly and if I asked each of them wha the loft on their 7 iron was maybe 2 would know. cksurfdude and William P 2 Quote I should be golfing instead of talking smack on the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Parker Posted Sunday at 02:44 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:44 PM 1 minute ago, Off Map Oscar said: What's a gap wedge? This set they lent me at the pro shop has an AW and a LW. I think a lot of us forget what its like to be a high handicap or even brand new. Rental sets, I'm going to have to figure out distances at the range regardless. I haven't forgotten about being new to golf. My point is, I could have the same set of irons with different shafts and the distances could be completely different. I have to know my distances for each club no matter what. I don't need to know your distances. No matter what is on the bottom, it's up to me to learn how far each club carries. Dots, numbers, lofts, symbols make no difference to me. William P and cksurfdude 1 1 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted Sunday at 02:46 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:46 PM Just now, Josh Parker said: . No matter what is on the bottom, it's up to me to learn how far each club carries. Dots, numbers, lofts, symbols make no difference to me. Forget about loft strengths. Does gapping matter to you? William P, KJano05 and Off Map Oscar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted Sunday at 02:53 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:53 PM 2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said: I personally have have no issues with the numbers because I am focused on my game and the way my clubs perform. I don't really reference what other 7 irons go because well they aren't my clubs. The same thing can be said for shafts, why do we have SR, R, S, XS and so on as there is no industry standard. For me some things are the way that they are and for the simplicity of those getting into the game it is best to keep things as is. I couldn't imagine being a newer golfer going into a store and seeing 46,42,38,34,30,27,24,21 on irons... I would be baffled and more intimidated than anything. It would require a whole new level of expertise and knowledge to be passed along. While it makes sense for us, the general consumer would be hurt by making this change. Again it would be the same if shafts were changed to a breakdown in tip flexes, torque profiles, weights and all that. The general consumer just wants to know if it is a S or R or whatever flex. Agreed. Golfers in general, are behind the ball regarding equipment education. If you’re being fit, the clubs in that genre are generally speaking, within similar margins for loft and performance so altering the club number for lofts doesn’t (IMO) offer much of a benefit. sirchunksalot, William P, Josh Parker and 2 others 5 Quote PING G400 LST Mitsubishi Tensei White 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted Sunday at 02:55 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:55 PM 8 minutes ago, RetiredBoomer said: Forget about loft strengths. Does gapping matter to you? Of course... William P and cksurfdude 2 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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