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It’s time to replace my grips on irons, and I found a grip from Golf Pride that’s a collab style one. Looks to be the Tour Velvet, which I’ve played before and really like. 

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Only issue is they are standard only and I play mids. I know you can add wraps (four) to build them up, but then it makes for a more firm grip. 

How many of you have done this and is it that noticeable? 

I currently play MCCs which are a firmer feeling grip IMO anyways. 

TIA, gang!

 

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I'm out for how they may feel and adding wraps as I went jumbomax, but those grips look awesome and the price is good!

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My thing is I don't like as much taper in grips so I do a winding wrap that progresses up and makes them a bit bigger but also reduces the taper. 

I am also sold on the Iomic and Star grips as I have never had grips with that much grip and tackiness.. while still be soft. I used to love the MCC4 but found them more firm over time and so on. 

Grips are so personal and hard to go wrong with something you simply like the look and feel of. 

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7 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

My thing is I don't like as much taper in grips so I do a winding wrap that progresses up and makes them a bit bigger but also reduces the taper. 

I am also sold on the Iomic and Star grips as I have never had grips with that much grip and tackiness.. while still be soft. I used to love the MCC4 but found them more firm over time and so on. 

Grips are so personal and hard to go wrong with something you simply like the look and feel of. 

Which of the Iomic grips do you have @GolfSpy_APH?

 

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The star grips do work great and offer a midsize. Buy a set and they throw in the air tool as well. 

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13 minutes ago, GolfSpy_KFT said:

Which of the Iomic grips do you have @GolfSpy_APH?

Red? lol I dunno, I just told Titleist I wanted red grips and that is what they went with and put on. 

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11 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Red? lol I dunno, I just told Titleist I wanted red grips and that is what they went with and put on. 

That is a sad statement coming from the forum director…..you should know all your specs inside and out 🤪

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20 minutes ago, cnosil said:

That is a sad statement coming from the forum director…..you should know all your specs inside and out 🤪

Grips are something that while they matter to me I have played so many and enjoy finding the different grips and so on. 

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Grips are something that while they matter to me I have played so many and enjoy finding the different grips and so on. 

Pretty sure I read in another thread that @GolfSpy_APH knew all of his specs…

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3 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I am also sold on the Iomic and Star grips as I have never had grips with that much grip and tackiness.. while still be soft.

I'm a big believer in the Iomic grips I have X-Evolution on my clubs, lime green with yellow end caps.  It looks like that color isn't available right now.  I love the tackiness of these, even a couple of years old.  I do prefer the various "x" styles, to me the texture gives a better grip than the "sticky" series.

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4 hours ago, GolfSpy_KFT said:

It’s time to replace my grips on irons, and I found a grip from Golf Pride that’s a collab style one. Looks to be the Tour Velvet, which I’ve played before and really like. 

IMG_4501.png

Only issue is they are standard only and I play mids. I know you can add wraps (four) to build them up, but then it makes for a more firm grip. 

How many of you have done this and is it that noticeable? 

I currently play MCCs which are a firmer feeling grip IMO anyways. 

TIA, gang!

So remember when Golf Pride rereleased the Tour Victory in like... 2014 or 15? I bought them and threw 5 wraps on them to get to Midsize +1 because they only came in standard sizes. For a feel I would say the grip was a touch firmer, but they were also corded versions of that grip, so they were already firm to begin with. I did the same think with SuperStroke's S-Tech (tour velvet style) in the Blue and Yellow, again not much in it feel wise.

Personally, I think getting the circumference and sizing is more important to me than the responsiveness of the grip for soft or hard feel, so I'd say it doesn't really matter, but knowing how particular people can be, I'm sure you'll get a multitude of answers and ideas to that end.

I'd assume the draw here is the color, that kind of faux leather old school look? Winn and SuperStroke have it in midsize, but only in a wrap style. GP might be the only game in town and the price isn't bad at $75 for the whole set. I'd say go for it KFT

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32 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said:

So remember when Golf Pride rereleased the Tour Victory in like... 2014 or 15? I bought them and threw 5 wraps on them to get to Midsize +1 because they only came in standard sizes. For a feel I would say the grip was a touch firmer, but they were also corded versions of that grip, so they were already firm to begin with. I did the same think with SuperStroke's S-Tech (tour velvet style) in the Blue and Yellow, again not much in it feel wise.

Personally, I think getting the circumference and sizing is more important to me than the responsiveness of the grip for soft or hard feel, so I'd say it doesn't really matter, but knowing how particular people can be, I'm sure you'll get a multitude of answers and ideas to that end.

I'd assume the draw here is the color, that kind of faux leather old school look? Winn and SuperStroke have it in midsize, but only in a wrap style. GP might be the only game in town and the price isn't bad at $75 for the whole set. I'd say go for it KFT

@Berg Ryman with the push I needed! 

The MCC is a firmer grip as well, so I'm really not too worried about it. I don't mind a wrap style grip, but the Tour Velvet style is one I've liked feel wise in the past, and color is definitely the draw. Really unique look!

That Superstroke one is pretty sweet too, though 😬

 

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1 minute ago, GolfSpy_KFT said:

@Berg Ryman with the push I needed! 

The MCC is a firmer grip as well, so I'm really not too worried about it. I don't mind a wrap style grip, but the Tour Velvet style is one I've liked feel wise in the past, and color is definitely the draw. Really unique look!

That Superstroke one is pretty sweet too, though 😬

I do what I can. I'm definitely giving myself over to the vibes on certain parts of my game where I can show a touch of personality. Keeps me loose. Grips are one such option, although I am insistent that they all be the same brand across the bag.

I think you'll like the change here, they should look awesome as hell

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Order placed on the golf pride grips 🔥

Going to build them up to midsize with extra wraps and then see how they play! Excited to try something different and the color is going to look GREAT!

 

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getting grips over 4 wraps is a bit more of a pain vs just throwing on midsized. my understanding is its also a slight weight difference since the tape is lighter than more rubber. I am about to do something similar myself to try the z-grips vs my mid sized tour velvets I've been using recently. 

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36 minutes ago, jayyarr said:

getting grips over 4 wraps is a bit more of a pain vs just throwing on midsized. my understanding is its also a slight weight difference since the tape is lighter than more rubber. I am about to do something similar myself to try the z-grips vs my mid sized tour velvets I've been using recently. 

We are gonna see what happens! They didn't offer the GP grips in midsize and I didn't see great reviews on the others that @Berg Ryman mentioned. If they don't work, it'll be back to the drawing board. Lots of solvent and patience!

 

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57 minutes ago, GolfSpy_KFT said:

We are gonna see what happens! They didn't offer the GP grips in midsize and I didn't see great reviews on the others that @Berg Ryman mentioned. If they don't work, it'll be back to the drawing board. Lots of solvent and patience!

I think i read somewhere once that scotty uses standard with 6 layers of build tape or something ridiculous so its definitely doable haha 

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On 10/10/2024 at 11:38 AM, GolfSpy_KFT said:

Order placed on the golf pride grips 🔥

Going to build them up to midsize with extra wraps and then see how they play! Excited to try something different and the color is going to look GREAT!

Well, saw this thread too late unfortunately, but was going to say you could always get the Steph Curry x Golf Pride collab MCC+4 grips as they come in MidSize. Plus, they benefit his student/kids golf charity called Underrated Golf.

I got a set and really like them, even added an extra wrap on my mine when I got them put on and can't notice a difference in firmness, not then again +1 wrap ain't much to notice.

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1 minute ago, The TXBexar said:

Well, saw this thread too late unfortunately, but was going to say you could always get the Steph Curry x Golf Pride collab MCC+4 grips as they come in MidSize. Plus, they benefit his student/kids golf charity called Underrated Golf.

I got a set and really like them, even added an extra wrap on my mine when I got them put on and can't notice a difference in firmness, not then again +1 wrap ain't much to notice.

I saw these as well, just wasn't a huge fan aesthetically. Definitely a good cause, but I couldn't pass up the brown.

 

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On 10/10/2024 at 7:44 AM, GolfSpy_APH said:

My thing is I don't like as much taper in grips so I do a winding wrap that progresses up and makes them a bit bigger but also reduces the taper. 

I am also sold on the Iomic and Star grips as I have never had grips with that much grip and tackiness.. while still be soft. I used to love the MCC4 but found them more firm over time and so on. 

Grips are so personal and hard to go wrong with something you simply like the look and feel of. 

I feel that….Im on my third style of grips this season…

went mcc to midsized tv to z grips lol 

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You might want to watch this video on using tape to build up a grip to a different size.


He proves that using 4 pieces of build up tape does not actually make the grip the same width as a midsize grip (it takes more like 8-12 pieces). It’s best to purchase the correct size grip. 

 

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is there really such a thing as a correct size grip though its all about personal feel. i have been using mid sized and at times it does still feel slight too big.  Wraps with a smaller grip also don't mess with swing weight as much as going to a mid or jumbo sized grip. 

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I really wish that Ping didn't discontinue their old full cord golf grips whether it was a 360 or normal grip especially in the gold/yellow status. I have been searching on Ebay and other online sites to buy up as many as I can get for the next couple seasons as for some reason they just fit and feel better in my hands.. 

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Hybrid   Ping G410 4H

Irons     Ping G425 5-LW

Putter:  Ping Anser 2           

Ball:      Titleist Tour Speed/AVX

Bag:      Titleist

All shafts are Ping's CB Alta, Regular in Woods and Hybrids, Stiff in the irons ( I just like these shafts and never saw a reason to look for 

others)

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19 hours ago, jolter1 said:

I really wish that Ping didn't discontinue their old full cord golf grips whether it was a 360 or normal grip especially in the gold/yellow status. I have been searching on Ebay and other online sites to buy up as many as I can get for the next couple seasons as for some reason they just fit and feel better in my hands.. 

i thought golfpride always produced their grips? are the tv cords not similar?

Driver:   G430 synstr cb                                                                                                                                                                 

Fairway:  QI10 MAX synstr cb 

Driving Iron: Ping I crossover 3 iron ping tour shaft     

Irons:    p770 with projectx LZ 4-pw

Wedge:   50 degree MG4 54/58 degree MG3 w/dynamic gold r300

Putter:   white hot versa double bend seven 

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my irons come in Monday with the z grips. Hoping I like them. have also been tempted to try the ST hybrids but a little worried post acquisition they might mess with some of the original lamkin lines.  

Driver:   G430 synstr cb                                                                                                                                                                 

Fairway:  QI10 MAX synstr cb 

Driving Iron: Ping I crossover 3 iron ping tour shaft     

Irons:    p770 with projectx LZ 4-pw

Wedge:   50 degree MG4 54/58 degree MG3 w/dynamic gold r300

Putter:   white hot versa double bend seven 

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