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More options is always better. Vokey continues to be the industry leader in wedge options and that's a good thing. 4 degrees of bounce terrifies me, so I won't be sniffing the T Grind.
The lighter weight shaft options make so much sense for better iron set to wedge blending options
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They had me at Spherically-tiled Tetrahedral Dimples
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I would never buy a bag that doesn't have a dedicated putter slot going forward, but in the past it went with my driver.
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I have a couple of golf books lined up to read:
A Course Called Ireland - Tom Coyne
A Course Called America - Tom Coyne
The Cup They Couldn't Lose - Shane Ryan (savings this one for the fall before the Ryder Cup in Italy)
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Big thing to think about is if you practice or go to the range a lot? Because cart and even staff bags fall over quite easily. I had a cart bag for about a year and switched my clubs out to a stand bag every time I wanted to go practice.
I finally ditched the cart bag for a larger stand bag that works really well on a cart/push cart. Don't think I can ever go back to a bag that doesn't have a stand.
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6 minutes ago, Franc38 said:
If he uses GC2, what's the point in going inside? The Foresight launch monitors do close-capture data on a few inches, so environment isn't a factor and you usually do swing to an outside target, not a screen when you play golf... The best fitting setting, IMHO is using GC2 (or better yet Quad), outdoors, on a grass range.
Because indoors is where he has his computer and all of his fitting carts - and it is where the teaching pro conducts his indoor lessons. So it's not something they just want to disconnect and bring it outside. It is a very small green grass facility.
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2 minutes ago, caryncgolfer said:
Ever asked him what the launch monitor helps him measure? I know they give a lot of data. Is it trackman or GC?
GC2
He does it to fine tune the final fitting - either show the difference between two different clubs (ballspeed, spin, launch, etc) or to fine tune one club (weight placement, hosel settings, loft, lie, etc.
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1 minute ago, caryncgolfer said:
I dunno who posted the outside comment but Crossfield literally used to fit people for 7-10 years at the driving range he started his channel on. So hehe, that’s silly
The guy that owns my driving range is a club fitter. He fits everyone outside first without a monitor and then brings them indoors on the launch monitor to fine tune. And he's great
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13 minutes ago, chisag said:
... This is one of the reasons I love golf forums. Willing to go outside the box to see how it might effect your game. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and I always enjoy reading a players experience.
The best thing to come from my ChipR experiment is going from 4 wedges to 3. I went from PW (45), 50, 54, 60 to PW, 52, 58.
I find having only the 52 and 58 really simplify my decision making around the greens and forces me to commit to a shot. With the 50, 54, 60 - I often found myself getting too fixated on the club selection and not focusing on the shot execution.
Chip or pitch with more runout - 52
Chip or pitch with more carry - 58
Long greenside bunker shot - 52
Short greenside bunker shot - 58
The ChipR also taught me how to hit a toe-down chip shot. It forced me to stand more vertical, hold the club more upright and take more of a putting stroke. I am now able to use that setup and stroke with my 7 iron up through my 58 -- it was something I was previously uncomfortable with.
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11 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:
by non competitive clubs do you mean distance only clubs?
No not at all. Ones that I have trouble consistently hitting the middle of the face (whether it be due to shaft options, sole design for irons and wedges, weighting distribution, etc). I can tell if a ball is launching too high or too low. Spinning too much or too little. Excessive horizontal dispersion.
I don't need a launch monitor to tell me those things when there is a noticeable disparity. I like to use a launch monitor at the end when it is really close, or I am trying to optimize my final setup.
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36 minutes ago, Laker_Long said:
I have a mental hang-up that requires me to play all the same brand. I know I am not a tour player but something just feels wrong if they aren't all the same. I have been a loyal Titleist user since the 731PM irons came out (yes, I am a lefty). In hindsight, I realize I have tolerated some inferior drivers in the past which was evident when I switched from the 915D to the TS3. Since that time, I believe that I haven't had to make any sacrifices in my equipment.
If I wasn't a Titleist guy, I would probably play Ping. I am not a big fan of companies like Callaway and Taylormade- flashy designs and always trying to imply big improvements every year.
I really liked the image PXG was originally promoting as a super premium line. It was exclusive and when someone at the club had it, everyone noticed. The 0211 line has ruined that image making PXG a premium brand and a discount brand at the same time. I bought a PXG 0211 driver for my son because it was $175 and I would continue to purchase from them at those prices while he is outgrowing clubs every two years.
I also have an aversion to the color blue, so clubs or shafts with blue in them are out.
Ha! I was like that for a loooong time. Got a new Tmag driver? Well now I need TMaG irons, wedges, putter, etc. Did the same with Srixon, Callaway, etc.
Took me a long time to get to the point where I was comfortable with a mixed bag, but the great thing about golf is that we all get enjoyment from different aspects of it. Some only care about score. Some only care about their equipment. Some only care about just playing and don't care about their score or their equipment. There is no wrong way to enjoy golf, and who ever is telling someone else they are enjoying golf incorrectly needs to get off his or her high horse!
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On 1/4/2023 at 9:32 AM, Jim Shaw said:
Getting fitted outside is not the correct way to go, makes no sense and a waste of money.
For people that don't know their numbers and game very well (which is the majority of weekend golfers), I agree.
However, I know my yardages, what different ball flights mean, etc etc. I actually prefer a monitor-less fitting outdoors to start the fitting. I can usually weed out the non-competitive clubs and then bring in the launch monitor when I need to do the fine tuning.
But again, I am not your average weekend golfer.
Nothing in life is binary, specially when it comes to golf, the golf swing, and fitting.
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57 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:
Watched many reviews the shaft doesn’t matter in the lab. Can anyone else chime in?
It is going to come down do the individuals feel - but for me I can notice a big difference in putter shafts. The two ping PLD putters that I have, one has graphite and one has steel, feel and sound DRASTICALLY different to me. I am extremely sensitive to weight, balance and torque so I learned I need to be careful regarding putter shafts. Something I never thought I would have to do - and it is the main reason I haven't swapped in a Stability shaft or anything else on my existing flat sticks; unless I can demo an identical setup, I am not going to spend $200 on something that I might hate
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So I am pretty sure the ChipR is going to be on the sidelines to start the season. Going to go with 13 clubs and then determine, unscientifically, what I should do with the free spot.
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1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:
the big question is are golfers just a gullible lot ?
There's a reason why golf marketing is what it is and golf digest still does the hot list.
We are the outliers, my friend
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Love seeing these responses. Makes me feel good know I'm not the only neurotic one haha
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1 hour ago, Jim Shaw said:
wow, that is interesting and I like the idea of the shaft being the transmission... makes sense. I am interested how you arrived at these thoughts?
33 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:I didn’t arrive at these thoughts. This is from an article Tom Wishon route for wrx about a decade ago. It’s the first of 10 myths he covered in that article.
He’s not the only one that feels that way. The vast majority of high level fitters think the same way. It’s why when one goes to a place like TPI, ECPC, The kingdom, TXG to name some highly reputable places and fitters who deal with the best fit the head first and shaft is used to fine tune the results. Shaft has two roles weight and feel
Great discussion, but please continue it on another thread so we can keep this one on topic
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6 minutes ago, stuka44 said:
I agree. I have for the last 10 years had 360's. That's been 2 pair. My current ones are 5 years old. I just couldn't buy the new 2022 version, with the 6 non-replaceable spikes. The literature says they would be good for around 100 rounds. That would be about 2.5 years, when I get 4 or 5 + out of a pair of shoes. I guess I will have to wait and see if Adidas sticks with the non-replaceable spikes, and get some input on how many rounds guys are getting out of the non-replaceable spikes. If people report 170-200 rounds, I would consider going back, that would be 4-5 years. I'm not however holding my breath on non replaceable spikes lasting that long although they are about 3x bigger than a regular size golf spike.
That's a lot of golf! I think I've only replaced a set of spikes once in the last 15 years. Generally my shoes get worn out or lose their waterproof seal long before the spikes need to be replaced
And it seems the rubber/plastics they are using are much more durable and last longer than the material in many of the replaceable spikes
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Jack was great for the tour, but at this point the best thing he could do is just smile at appearances. Dude opens his mouth and nothing but crotchety old man comes out.
He is a detriment to the PGA Tour
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7 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:
Interesting thread - but I'll go beyond just clubs that are in the bag.
Positive Bias
TM only because my SIM 2 MAX D driver outshines my 410 along with previous drivers. Because of that I'm tempted to replace my 410 hybrids even though they have performed well in the past.
Cobra Fairway Woods and Irons. - I was fitted for both and my Speedzone irons which are a few years old they work better than other OEM's current offerings and look great after 300 + rounds.
Mizuno - when I got fitted last time they had just stopped production of the 919HM. Ended up ordering the Speedzones because the 921 weren't available yet.
Volkey Wedges - you can't prey those from my hands, They were well worth the extra $$ over my RTX wedges.
Shotscope because their support is superior to other golf tech companies
Precision Pro: same as above for support. I had an initial problem with NX7, they immediately sent out an upgraded NX9HD no charge even before I sent the old one back. And what can't you like about free batteries for life.
Odyssey O Works Putter. - I'm afraid to try anything else - it's just too good.
Snell & Vice both are more economical and seem to have the same results as my previous gamer - Pro V1
Neutral Bias
Ping - I think of them as a competent engineering company that puts out solid products. I still have the 410 SFT driver (in my spare bag) and the 410 hybrids and even have an older set of G20 irons. Overall solid but not exceptional.
WIlson Staff - I still have my C300's in my spare bag. They work well but look terrible - especially next to my Speedzones with the same number of rounds.
Negative Bias
Callaway: even though my wife was fitted for their irons they just didn't work for me. The GBB driver I had was a POS - can't even remember what I did with it after I got the 410 SFT (which has been replaced by the SIM).
PXG - I've heard used car commercials that are better the ones Mr. Parsons does. And don't get my wife started on the older ones that emphasized how sexy they were. Seems like they started out as a premium product and now they're a heavy discount band.
ARRCOS; Never could get their technology to work without a lot of editing. My original LINK was replaced and still didn't work right plus II hate subscription services.
Great callout on Arrcos! Negative for me as well. Subscription service is a cancer.
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18 minutes ago, Middler said:
Thanks for clarifying for everyone. I thought DLC was supposed to be more durable, but I defer to others for comparisons.
However my Mizuno 60.06 wedge in Gun Metal (DLC?) has held up noticeably better, some wear on the sole only but not that bad. Although it sees less use than my putter, I would think full or partial swings with a wedge would be far more challenging than putter strokes. FWIW
DLC is MUCH more durable, but also more expensive and hard to do on a large scale -- that is why no big OEMs offer it as a standard wedge. My ER2 that I had DLC'd from TheGolfGarage still looks as good as they day I got it in spring 2018
The Wedge finishes are often different. Much like the Cobra, Titleist, Callaway and taylormade wedges, the black finish is more likely to gently fade in the wear spots vs the black finish on putters that is cheaper and more likely to chip.
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I can get us started.
Positive Bias
Anything that Ping, Titleist, Mizuno and Evnroll make, I will do my due diligence on. I like how their clubs look, I like the brands' messaging, and like the options within their brands that can preform for multiple levels of golfers.
TaylorMade and Srixon are a notch below. "Brands of my past" as most of my clubs from HS and College were Taylormade and then Srixons were some of the first clubs I really started getting into when I started getting involved on golf forums in the early 2000s
Cobra will always have a soft spot in my mind because, like Srixon, I really started enjoying their clubs when I was first getting into internet golf stuff. Particularly their woods.
Negative Bias
Not going to peel back the onion too much on this, but I don't think I will ever game another Callaway club in my life
PXG - I am sure they perform great, but the marketing and brand image is just something I don't jive with
New Level - I have interacted with their owner multiple times and it was all negative experiences
Indifferent
I don't dislike any of these other brands' they just do nothing for me.
Wilson, Bridgestone, Tour Edge, Cleveland, Sub 70, other DTCs
And let me be clear - my biases do not influence what I say on this forum or to other friends or golfers I meet. I don't think their is bad equipment, only poorly fit equipment. These are simply MY biases when I look to buy equipment for myself
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I know we all try to say that any club that can help us has an equal shot of making our bag.
But lets cut through the bullshit. We all know that isn't true.
This doesn't mean you think that other clubs suck compared to the brands you like, it just means you know you have an internal bias that will push you into the brands you like if all things are equal during a fitting
Call it what you want
Bias
Allegiance
Fanboyism
Preference
We all have them
Well this thread is where you can admit it without getting any crap. You don't need a scientific or tangible reason. This is about admitting our internal biases in a safe space
Better Shaft for my TSI2 driver
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Hard to say exactly what you should be looking for since everyone gets different feels from different shafts.
Some things to think about:
Swing weight: Adding weight to your driver head, or moving towards a more low balance point shaft could give you more feeling in the head
Shaft profile: A softer butt section or mid section could help provide a "loading" sensation that you are looking for.
So it really is going to come down to finding something that feels good to you - not really going to be a straight forward process.
I am a HUGE Graphite Design wood shaft fan. I would immediately steer you to the AD DI. I love a shaft that feels explosive, while still feeling smooth. A great stable feel without feeling boardy or lifeless. As you can see in my signature I play AD DI in every single graphite shaft in my bag. The BB is another classic shaft from GD that is even softer in the handle than the DI, but stiffer in the tip. Another great feeling shaft that allowed me to really feel the shaft load.