Shankster Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Why are they selling high handicap players clubs with 45+" shafts while the pro's seem to be trending the other direction. Notable recents, Rickie, Jimmy, and I just read Hughes cut his down. They are handicapping us from the manufacturer. Yes, I know go get fit. But it seems they should sell 43"-44" drivers as a standard, and go from there. - Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullldog Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Longer = longer (in theory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 It's very simple. Accuracy doesn't sell. Length does. Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 It's very simple. Accuracy doesn't sell. Length does. Yup and your average golfer will likely buy the driver he had that one shot he had go really long with rather than the driver he was shorter with yet more consistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McaseyM Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 If only accuracy and precision were considered sexy off the tee Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in my bag: Driver : F9 10.5, Fujikura Speeder 757 TR Fairway F9 15.5° Aldila Rogue White 80X Hybrid: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+ Irons: z585 4i - 6i, z785 7i-PW, Nippon Modus 120X Wedges: CBX 50.11, 55.11, 60.10 TT DG S400 Black Putter: Honey Badger 34" Ball: Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 If only accuracy and precision were considered sexy off the tee Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy It would fix the slow play thread... - Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 It's very simple. Accuracy doesn't sell. Length does. Doesn't make sense. Well I guess it does from a marketing standpoint. But not for actual use. - Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 If any of you have old wood drivers like the 3 I own go measure them. Mine are all 43". It's very simple. Accuracy doesn't sell. Length does. My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 The longer shaft length makes your swing arc longer which supposedly means more club head speed is generated equaling longer distances. Problem is the longer shaft for amateurs means a greater chance to miss the center of the club face which is where you get the most distance generated on strikes. I have an R15 at the standard shaft length which is 45.5". At that length I've been very hit or miss with it. I'm thinking on my next driver (yes I know I can just get the shaft cut down but it gives me an excuse to get a new driver ) I'm going to have it play closer to 44" or 44.5" to give me a better chance of hitting the center of the face. I think it's also affecting my swing as I'm compensating for the length which has my swing going flatter (causing me to hook the driver). MDGolfHacker What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 when they can hit the ball well over 300 with 44" driver, and it allows them to be more accurate. Why wouldn't they cut it down. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 when they can hit the ball well over 300 with 44" driver, and it allows them to be more accurate. Why wouldn't they cut it down. We should join them. How much club speed is gained from that 1.5"? - Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iced Tea and Lemonade Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I wouldn't limit this discussion to just drivers either, as the majority of us could benefit from shorter shafts on all of the woods. I recently picked up a Cobra F6 Baffler, and while I'm sure the shorter shaft length isn't the only reason I hit this significantly better than prior 5 woods, I'm pretty confident it's the biggest contributor. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWahoo Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I remember many years ago, I had a rather long driver called the "Killer Bee". Of all the drivers I've had over the years, it was the one I used for the briefest period. I gave it to a buddy, who then ended giving it to a buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I remember many years ago, I had a rather long driver called the "Killer Bee". Of all the drivers I've had over the years, it was the one I used for the briefest period. I gave it to a buddy, who then ended giving it to a buddy. I knew a guy that had the Killer Bee. He absolutely crushed it. Longest of all the old guys I played with when I first started playing. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullldog Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I'm playing a TM SLDR with a Fubuki K shaft that is only tipped 1/2", so my driver is playing @ 47" I feel I'm short changing myself cause the 1/2 I cut off.. Hehe (reg flex, trying to get a lil tip stiffness) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 If any of you have old wood drivers like the 3 I own go measure them. Mine are all 43". You are correct most of mine are 43". Back in the day I did hit a 46" persimmon steel shafted driver. In fact about a year or so ago I went back to 43" on the modern graphite / big headed metal ones too. I am not but maybe 5 yards shorter than with a longer one but can hit it more consistant and accurate with the shorter shaft Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I remember many years ago, I had a rather long driver called the "Killer Bee". Of all the drivers I've had over the years, it was the one I used for the briefest period. I gave it to a buddy, who then ended giving it to a buddy. That head was made by Intregra. We were a dealer for them I had one jacked up to 48" for test and demo purposes. I did play it in a couple of scrambles generally I could not keep it in 2 fairways. Combination of that long shaft and a hot face. Of course that was 12 years ago and I had pretty good swing speed then. Time changes things. With the shaft and length I probably in all honesty could not get it back and through now Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Ok so this is the age old question after cutting your drivers down. Do you all leave the swing weight alone, or do you add lead tape etc. to try and bring it back to specs? Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Ball Markers Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I left mine alone after cutting the shafts down - driver and 3 wood both... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy http://www.instagram.com/libertyballmarkers/ http://www.birdie-bomb.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Ok so this is the age old question after cutting your drivers down. Do you all leave the swing weight alone, or do you add lead tape etc. to try and bring it back to specs? Personally I go by feel. I have to feel that head throughout the swing. On the 915 I did add about 4 grams of lead tape in the heel. On the Homna I have not yet. I am still dialing that Homna in some. It is not actually etched in stone that you have to add weight. Sometimes getting it shorter and lighter can be the ticket. Personally I do not swing weigh my personal clubs even though I have a SW machine. I go strictly off of feel and what the ball does Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I also left mine alone and I like it. In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Ok so this is the age old question after cutting your drivers down. Do you all leave the swing weight alone, or do you add lead tape etc. to try and bring it back to specs? So far, I've left it alone. To be honest, I really can't tell any difference. I cut a 1/2" off of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 I'm gonna have my new one set to 43.5" Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 ... I ordered the heavier weight with my Fly Z as I play it at 44.25". I have had this discussion with many of the OEM's at the Show and while none would go on record, virtually every engineering VP or associate I talked to was in favor of shorter driver lengths. They threw Sales/Promotions under the bus as the culprit. Where most of us (and many pro's) will hit a 44-44.5" almost as long as the 45"+ and in most instances hit the shorter driver consistently longer, an Iron Byron can still pound it out there a few yards farther. And that is how the OEM's make their marketing claims. If for instance Cobra didn't offer a "standard" length driver, Callaway could easily claim their Epic is "substantially longer than Cobra drivers". We have to remember most golfers aren't forum savvy and just want the longest driver. ... And speaking of Cobra, you can order their F7 and F7+ drivers with two weights to offset the 44.25" length. Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 ... I ordered the heavier weight with my Fly Z as I play it at 44.25". I have had this discussion with many of the OEM's at the Show and while none would go on record, virtually every engineering VP or associate I talked to was in favor of shorter driver lengths. They threw Sales/Promotions under the bus as the culprit. Where most of us (and many pro's) will hit a 44-44.5" almost as long as the 45"+ and in most instances hit the shorter driver consistently longer, an Iron Byron can still pound it out there a few yards farther. And that is how the OEM's make their marketing claims. If for instance Cobra didn't offer a "standard" length driver, Callaway could easily claim their Epic is "substantially longer than Cobra drivers". We have to remember most golfers aren't forum savvy and just want the longest driver. ... And speaking of Cobra, you can order their F7 and F7+ drivers with two weights to offset the 44.25" length. Wow very interesting tidbit right there! Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 That's what makes this place so dang cool! Someone always has some really good info! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 So, going an inch off from a 45.5“ to a 44.5" driver, how much weight must be added to the club head to retain its current weight feel? Is there a ratio that you can generally go by? Thinking of getting my 415 cut down for better control. MDGolfHacker What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Cut about 3/4" off my Ping i20. Lost a little distance and is easier to hit. BTW I can find the ball now. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 I just put my 3 wood Shaft on my driver. It is 2" shorter at 43.5" and I can not tell any swing weight difference. Going to try it on the range on Monday. Results to follow. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brjpool Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Recently I was hitting some longer hybrids of a launch monitor and the pro gave that advice. Here said you know perhaps with my handicap I was actually hitting myself with longer clubs rather than play 5 iron and lower. I can't hit a three wood and I'm very hit or miss with my 3 and 4 hybrids. I'm pretty good with a driver but not with the other long clubs. It may be fun to try and crank it but rarely will it lead to anything other than some choice words Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Bryan Pool Ping G20 Driver Bombtech hybrids Ping G20 green dot irons/wedges Cleveland Huntington beach 6 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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