cnosil Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, PMookie said: Watched this right when it hit YouTube, and it REALLY has me thinking about a Stability shaft now! I was COMPLETELY surprised by the results. I haven't watched the video yet, but do you want to share the results? Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I haven't watched the video yet, but do you want to share the results?Performed so well for Matt that Ian said it was the perfect shaft for Matt, and actually, the Cally putter head was the best head for Matt! Combining the Cally head and Stability shaft would be money. The Stroke Lab shaft was more about weighting than affecting the results of the ball’s intended direction. Matt had three consecutive putts that he would’ve made well over 10’. Crazy results. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro cnosil and yungkory 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 19 hours ago, PMookie said: Performed so well for Matt that Ian said it was the perfect shaft for Matt, and actually, the Cally putter head was the best head for Matt! Combining the Cally head and Stability shaft would be money. The Stroke Lab shaft was more about weighting than affecting the results of the ball’s intended direction. Matt had three consecutive putts that he would’ve made well over 10’. Crazy results. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro They were all good from 20' that's pretty crazy. I wish there was a way to test this that was softer on the wallet. PMookie 1 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 20 hours ago, cnosil said: I haven't watched the video yet, but do you want to share the results? I just saw your WITB in your signature. Did you just confirm the Most Wanted blade before the official article release? Haha! Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 57 minutes ago, yungkory said: I just saw your WITB in your signature. Did you just confirm the Most Wanted blade before the official article release? Haha! Nope, didn't confirm anything as I don't know the results. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I toyed with the Odyssey Stroke Lab shaft today before my Epic Flash fitting. Definitely a different feel. Not really sure how to describe it. The putter was too long and the mallet head wasn't my favorite, so take anything I say with a grain of salt. The feel wasn't bad, I think I could get use to it. cksurfdude 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I'm hoping to have my PXG Bat Attack/Stability Putter shaft combo by Saturday so I'll definitely be posting some thoughts when I get the new setup in my bag. Right now I just have the standard KBS putter shaft and I'm excited to see the difference based on everything I've read and watched about the BGT shaft. Pics and thoughts coming soon! CarlH and cksurfdude 2 Quote G430 Max 9º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Pro 243 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Chrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 15 hours ago, mr.hicksta said: I'm hoping to have my PXG Bat Attack/Stability Putter shaft combo by Saturday so I'll definitely be posting some thoughts when I get the new setup in my bag. Right now I just have the standard KBS putter shaft and I'm excited to see the difference based on everything I've read and watched about the BGT shaft. Pics and thoughts coming soon! Nice! Curious to see your impressions. Did you test the shaft during a fitting? mr.hicksta 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Nice! Curious to see your impressions. Did you test the shaft during a fitting?I did not. I read up on the shaft and watched the TXG review on it and decided to give it a go. I putt pretty well with my Bat Attack so I should be able to tell somewhat quickly if it’s going to work out for me! cksurfdude 1 Quote G430 Max 9º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Pro 243 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Chrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Will be interested in hearing your thoughts. After watching the TXG video, I still am not sold. Tried to compare the stability shaft against strikelab. Putters were similar but not exact and they even said they accomplished different things. Needs to be two identical putters one with each shaft to be a good comparison. Even with that, the putters weight will still be different so that could influence the results as well. mr.hicksta and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, cnosil said: Will be interested in hearing your thoughts. After watching the TXG video, I still am not sold. Tried to compare the stability shaft against strikelab. Putters were similar but not exact and they even said they accomplished different things. Needs to be two identical putters one with each shaft to be a good comparison. Even with that, the putters weight will still be different so that could influence the results as well. I agree 100%. While it's pricey for a putter shaft, I'm of the opinion if it results in me making more putts it was worth the upgrade! Edited March 27, 2019 by mr.hicksta cnosil and cksurfdude 2 Quote G430 Max 9º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Pro 243 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Chrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, mr.hicksta said: While it's pricey for a putter shaft, I'm of the opinion if it results in me making more putts it was worth the upgrade! Yeah.. that's the point, as I see it also. Has been discussed earlier - it may be difficult to quantify but if you feel it helps you sink one more putt per round then it's probably worth it! (..especially compared to the $$$ of a new driver or driver shaft or a famous name putter that people readily pony up for..) mr.hicksta and cnosil 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Alright, I got mine back today and if anything, it looks freaking amazing!I’m going to practice tomorrow and will be playing Ko’Olina Sunday so I’ll have more real world feedback soon. Also, the TXG video on the BGT Stability shaft vs the Stroke Lab is pretty damn good. Worth checking out if you have the time! yungkory, edingc, downlowkey and 2 others 5 Quote G430 Max 9º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Pro 243 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Chrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Will be interested in hearing your thoughts. After watching the TXG video, I still am not sold. Tried to compare the stability shaft against strikelab. Putters were similar but not exact and they even said they accomplished different things. Needs to be two identical putters one with each shaft to be a good comparison. Even with that, the putters weight will still be different so that could influence the results as well. One of them did produce putts that would have gone in from 20’, the other didn’t.The putters in the MGS test aren’t same length, same weight, same everything are they?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 @mr.hicksta dang, that looks good. While you guys are discussing Stroke Lab vs. Stability... I can't make a direct comparison between the two since I don't have a Stability shaft, but I will say that the Stroke Lab definitely feels different compared to a traditional steel-shafted putter. Can't say that it feels more stable per se, but different -- definitely. I took it to work (where I took my Birdie Ball) and was rolling putts with it today. It does feel like my stroke is more consistent, but that might just be a placebo effect from the marketing. I'll take it though, putting is 90% mental to me anyways. mr.hicksta and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 9 hours ago, PMookie said: One of them did produce putts that would have gone in from 20’, the other didn’t. The putters in the MGS test aren’t same length, same weight, same everything are they? I understand your point and that is one perspective to use. The MGS test is what works best for the largest percentage of players. I view the TXG test more as a fitting. In the scenario presented in the video, combination with the TXG shaft was a better fit, my personal results may have been the complete opposite. I'd love to dig into my own numbers comparing the two shafts. PMookie and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 12 hours ago, mr.hicksta said: Alright, I got mine back today and if anything, it looks freaking amazing! Yah Mon! Like the P2 on it, too - I also have a React on an MLA that I may end up moving over to the EvnRoll I'm using now. Good luck with that bad boy! mr.hicksta 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 1:03 PM, PlaidJacket said: I played with a guy yesterday that had a Stability Shaft in his SC putter head. (I think a Concept X) This same guy I've played with a few times over the past year. I can't recall or say whether he's a good putter or not. But he is a decent player generally. However, yesterday his putting sucked and I'm sure he'd admit the same. Do I accuse the putter/shaft combo or the player for his poor performance? I'd say the player. IMO it doesn't matter how much tech or fitting, etc is involved. If you can't square up the face of any club your results will be poor. I will also say there is probably something to the Stability Shaft. Barney Adams didn't dream this up as a con. Hardly. But it's not something I believe will noticeably benefit that many golfers. Putting is a strange animal and a very distinct part of the game. Apart from all other aspects of the game - driving, ironing, chipping, etc - putting is an enigma. For instance, how many very good players (0-5 hcp) have you known/played with who are really sharp/solid tee to green but once on the putting surface they struggle day after day year after year? Or...how many weekend 6-pack players have you played with; always carding high scores but somehow putt good once they find the green? I've played with plenty of both. Putting is strange... you either have it mentally and or mechnicanically or you don't IMO. I'm back with more.... Opinion - Two products discussed. I've been seeing this shaft used more often with certain tour players. Both PGA and LPGA. But, I don't think the so called or statistically good or great at putting are using this shaft. Why is that? But , who knows; some of them might make the switch looking for any fractional advantage they can find. Can't blame them. However, a putter right off the rack are about as good as they can be these days are they not? Therefore guys like us buy them for the advantage they claim they can or should produce. Then we as players go even further by replacing the grip hoping that will improve our putting even more. We buy counterbalanced putters or buy an insert to balance our putters. Now "golf" is telling us we need a new and different kind of shaft in our putters.... a $200 one in fact; and then we'll become even better. Really? No. I hate to break it to everyone but it's you. Now, I'm assuming you already have a decent putter and perhaps even a fitted one. But that's not all that important either. Again... IMO. It's you. Some people are good putters with almost any stick in their hands. You know them. Other players drive the ball well but putt terribly. Same with irons or chipping. For any one player to have the complete - solid package tee to green is rare. I'm talking about amatures. Forget the Pros. People like us simply need to learn to putt better. No amount of technology is going to "make" you better if you can't produce a quality and repeatable stroke. There's also the mental side of putting; and with this game in general. Some players are just better at reading greens and then translating that mental image into a good stroke with the right feel and pace on the ball. Again, some people are just better at it. True? I think a product like the Stability Shaft might be better suited to already good-consistent putters of the ball seeking a fractional advantage... if there is one to be had. And in that case I say go for it. Here's a $25 product that I think WILL improve your putting. It's been awhile but I use it off and on sometimes. It helps promote muscle /stroke memory I guess. It's called The Putting Connection and I'll bet some of you have one or something similar. Now that I've climbed down off my soapbox I want to make an admission. Some of you forum members that have been around for awhile might recall me posting and commenting on another product. The Shotmaker $99 shaft insert. The product itself looks like a graphite straw about 12"-13" long and very thin. Feather light. It's inserted-dropped down/inside the driver or FW shaft and locked into position. The Shotmaker promises tighter shot dispersion. Having used this product in both my driver and 4w for years I believe it works. It certainly makes your club feel better - more solid. The Shotmaker was also reviewed by MGS back in 2011 and if you believe MGS testing they too determined it works. Now, if you aren't a good driver of the ball this product isn't going to make you one. But, like the Stability Shaft if you're looking to possibly shave a fraction off your already good driving accuracy and tighten your dispersion a bit then the Shotmaker will do it. But these two products will only be noticable - work - help if you are already good at putting or driving. Neither will cure a poor stroke made by.... You! cksurfdude 1 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 44 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said: Again... IMO. It's you. Nahhhhh .... it's the clubs! Kidding .. thanks for the reality check. Oh, PS: That ShotMaker looks interesting but their website doesn't seem to work too well - keep getting the same homepage no matter which other page I try to go to.... tony@CIC 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Alright, I got my first round under my belt since having the Stability shaft installed and while I had my worst putting day in awhile, I blame that more on not practicing this week. I played Ko'Olina today and they're a few weeks out from the Lotte Championship, so the course was in superb shape as usual. My initial thoughts on my current setup are positive, but the thing that stood out most to me was the difference in weight. I have the 350g Bat Attack putter head, and the P2 TOUR React is 67g. The Stability shaft is 125g so I"m guessing that's at least a 50g increase over the original KBS shaft. I like a heavier putter though so it won't take me too long to adjust to it. So to address the obvious, here we go. Looks: Obviously going to vary from player to player, but I love the way the shaft looks with the Bat Attack. What can I say, I'm a fan of the two tone look. The shaft graphics are subtle enough, and while you can tell it's not a standard putter shaft, it doesn't scream 'LOOK AT ME!!' Feel: This was the most obvious difference. For lack of a better way to put it, my putter feels much more stable in my hands now (I swear that's not a dad joke ;)), and most definitely doesn't twist as much. Performance: Overall, I feel like having this combo will continue to work out for me, but it remains to be seeing if having the Stability shaft will improve my putting performance. I agree with @PlaidJacket 100% about something like this not being a fix for crappy mechanics, but if someone is inclined to try it I don't feel like it can hurt. Ultimately, it will take a number of rounds for me to see if it has actually helped so I'll toss up some numbers once I get more miles on this setup! cnosil, yungkory and cksurfdude 3 Quote G430 Max 9º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Pro 243 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Chrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/30/2019 at 11:33 AM, cksurfdude said: That ShotMaker looks interesting but their website doesn't seem to work too well - keep getting the same homepage no matter which other page I try to go to.... Their website does seem to be messed up right now. I tried both the link I posted and in another browser tab. It was fine the other day when I made the post above. They'll probably fix it eventually I guess. cksurfdude 1 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 6 hours ago, mr.hicksta said: Ultimately, it will take a number of rounds for me to see if it has actually helped so I'll toss up some numbers once I get more miles on this setup! Yeah, that's really it - will your putting stats generally trend better from here; ie. will the shaft "stand the rest of time"? Thx for the updates! mr.hicksta 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I think further use of the putter will be more revealing. Putting can vary day to day with any putter at any level. mr.hicksta and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I have a few rounds under my belt with the setup now and had 29 putts yesterday, which is the best I've done so far since making the switch. Since I had the BGT shaft installed, the additional weight has been an adjustment, but I was rolling it pretty well yesterday and I feel much more comfortable with my souped up Bat Attack now. My practice schedule has been kind of jacked up with the wife back on the mainland working, but once she's back I'm going to carve out more practice time. What I do know for sure, is I absolutely love the feel of the putter and I'm happy with the upgrade. And like I said before, it's going to take a number of rounds before I have some good data to compare to my pre-upgrade numbers. But all in all I'm happy with it, so I suppose that's all that matters anyway! CarlH, Campbell Toe, yungkory and 1 other 3 1 Quote G430 Max 9º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Pro 243 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Chrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newballcoach Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I think a lot of people don't like to believe in putter tech because they feel like they have more control over the result. People will often blame themselves for their putting, but blame the driver when they hit it OB. That was more than 2¢ worth of ideas and comments! Some good thoughts in there, thx. It is a tough thing to evaluate. But... Just musing "out loud"... Many players will buy a whole new putter if they've got the idea in their head it's going to help them make more putts. So... What if instead of a whole putter you took a player who has a properly fit putter and swapped in this shaft - into the current head and set to match their fitting specs...?Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app cksurfdude 1 Quote WITB Driver- PING G400 LST w/ Project X Evenflow Black Fwy- TM Aeroburner 16.5HL Irons- Callaway Steelhead XR (3-PW) Wedges- Callaway MD3 (50,54,58) Putter- Cleveland TFI Satin Cero Ball- Snell MTB-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, newballcoach said: I think a lot of people don't like to believe in putter tech because they feel like they have more control over the result. People will often blame themselves for their putting, but blame the driver when they hit it OB. People do seem to have differing thoughts when it comes to putters. We see get fit for every club in the bag except putter, that is strictly based on looks, feel, and/or confidence ; or the putting stroke is too small for technology to help; or X professional doesn't use putter tech so it doesn't matter. cksurfdude and mr.hicksta 1 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, cnosil said: People do seem to have differing thoughts when it comes to putters. We see get fit for every club in the bag except putter, that is strictly based on looks, feel, and/or confidence ; or the putting stroke is too small for technology to help; or X professional doesn't use putter tech so it doesn't matter. Which is crazy considering we all use our putters for about 1/3 of our shots. Getting fit can be a game changer and is also eye opening! cnosil, cksurfdude and CarlH 2 1 Quote G430 Max 9º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Pro 243 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Chrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, mr.hicksta said: about 1/3 of our shots Nah..... Only about 1/2 for me... mr.hicksta and cnosil 1 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 hours ago, newballcoach said: I think a lot of people don't like to believe in putter tech because they feel like they have more control over the result. People will often blame themselves for their putting, but blame the driver when they hit it OB. Ain't that the truth!!! cnosil 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, cnosil said: X professional doesn't use putter tech so it doesn't matter. Yeah that is so much it! "Oh well no pro is using __(whatever)_ so why should I??" But not considering at all that the pro they're referencing has been sinking putts since he/she was 3 y.o. and could barely walk straight.... cnosil 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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