Chip Strokes Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 my miss with my irons is fat...sometimes terribly fat. i seem to get myself in trouble when trying to guide the club to the ball with my arms, rather than letting my hips clear and rotating through impact. as a result, i end up with the club stuck behind me, and i dump it well behind the ball and send an impressive chunk of earth flying down the fairway. instead of heading down the never ending rabbit hole of youtube videos, does anyone have good drills for rotating through the ball? thanks in advance. dlow206 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I am no help here. I think this whole rotation thing is what has screwed up my golf swing. bens197, edingc and JeremyD 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: my miss with my irons is fat...sometimes terribly fat. i seem to get myself in trouble when trying to guide the club to the ball with my arms, rather than letting my hips clear and rotating through impact. as a result, i end up with the club stuck behind me, and i dump it well behind the ball and send an impressive chunk of earth flying down the fairway. instead of heading down the never ending rabbit hole of youtube videos, does anyone have good drills for rotating through the ball? thanks in advance. Rotation is only a piece of the puzzle. Setup, pressure points and sequencing all contribute to the ability to rotate. So focusing purely on rotation without diagnosing the cause of why you are getting stuck is as bad as the rabbit hole you are trying to avoid with YouTube. If you lack hip and hand depth at the top and rotate you will miss the ball because of where hands/clubs will be. If you have a good turn but pressure points and balance are off you won’t be able to rotate and will have to compensate to get the club shallow which is what usually leads to getting stuck. If you want to go the diy route and at no cost my suggestion would be to watch Danny Maude, Chris Ryan, Athletic Motion Golf or Eric Cogorno or older meandmygolf on YouTube. They all have videos that show how to setup, how to make a proper takeaway, backswing and downswing. Use the videos to figure out where your swing is breaking down and causing your issues Vegan_Golfer_PNW, elvis14, Kenny B and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 @RickyBobby_PR thanks for the suggestions. id upload some videos so you can all better pinpoint where the swing is breaking down, but it doesn't seem to happen at the range. Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 50 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: my miss with my irons is fat...sometimes terribly fat. i seem to get myself in trouble when trying to guide the club to the ball with my arms, rather than letting my hips clear and rotating through impact. as a result, i end up with the club stuck behind me, and i dump it well behind the ball and send an impressive chunk of earth flying down the fairway. instead of heading down the never ending rabbit hole of youtube videos, does anyone have good drills for rotating through the ball? thanks in advance. Sounds similar to what i am battling. If you think it is rotation and club shallowing, the planemate could help you feel rotation, depth and shallowing. What i have learned from Monte videos, your hands should not be passive yet not over active. Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: @RickyBobby_PR thanks for the suggestions. id upload some videos so you can all better pinpoint where the swing is breaking down, but it doesn't seem to happen at the range. Go ahead and post a swing. I’ll do May best to see if I can find where you might need to focus. elvis14 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Go ahead and post a swing. I’ll do May best to see if I can find where you might need to focus. will do when i get home. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 As @RickyBobby_PR said, rotation is only part of the issue. With a good setup and backswing, most problems occur with sequencing the transition. Sending you back to YouTube, take a look at the drill that Justin Rose explains in "feel vs real" Vegan_Golfer_PNW, RickyBobby_PR, Chip Strokes and 1 other 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Kenny B said: As @RickyBobby_PR said, rotation is only part of the issue. With a good setup and backswing, most problems occur with sequencing the transition. Sending you back to YouTube, take a look at the drill that Justin Rose explains in "feel vs real" This is a good drill. Monte has referred to it on his Instagram. I’ve seen athletic motion golf comment about it as well. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twyatt700 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 my miss with my irons is fat...sometimes terribly fat. i seem to get myself in trouble when trying to guide the club to the ball with my arms, rather than letting my hips clear and rotating through impact. as a result, i end up with the club stuck behind me, and i dump it well behind the ball and send an impressive chunk of earth flying down the fairway. instead of heading down the never ending rabbit hole of youtube videos, does anyone have good drills for rotating through the ball? thanks in advance.I get my hands forward of the ball at set up, put 75% on the front foot and do 3/4 chippy iron swings. That solved my fat misses for the most part. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Vegan_Golfer_PNW, Chip Strokes and Kenny B 3 Quote Ping G430 Max 9* turned up to 10* in draw setting X-Stiff Ping Tour Chrome 2.0 60 Srixon ZX 3w Ventus Velocore Blue 7s Ping G425 5w X-Stiff Ping Tour 70 Srixon ZX5 4-6 Modus Tour 105 Stiff Srixon ZX& 7-PW Modus Tour 105 Stiff RTX Zipcore 50* 54* 58* TrueTemper Dynamic Gold Spinner Phantom X5 Putter Ball: Srixon Z-Star Diamond <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, twyatt700 said: I get my hands forward of the ball at set up, put 75% on the front foot and do 3/4 chippy iron swings. That solved my fat misses for the most part. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy i’ll work on that next time at the range, thanks. twyatt700 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyD Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 23 hours ago, cnosil said: I am no help here. I think this whole rotation thing is what has screwed up my golf swing. I feel you. I've been jacking with my swing so much trying to improve rotation, that I feel it's gotten worse. cnosil 1 Quote When my wife asked if I wanted to leave Maine and move to where she grew up, I couldn't say no to Pinehurst, NC. I honestly don't spend much money on golf equipment, but I'm constantly reading reviews in case I ever get ready to buy I swing left handed and have been the State of Maine Left Hander's champion since 1997, the last year they held the tournament. I'm currently a 7.1 handicap. Trying to get lower, but my gut gets in the way. WITB Driver: Epic speed 9 degree Irons: 990's S300 Stiff shafts bought when I was in college. (Received a personal use discount, otherwise would've stuck with my Hogan Edge's) 3 Wood: Epic speed 15 degree or PT15 52/56/60 Z Spin wedges (heck of a deal $100 for all 3 at Dick's in 2013) Putter: OG Rossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay5477 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I'm with you. I have come to realize that my rotation has never been satisfactory, which results in me feeling like I'm throwing my hands/arms at the ball. Not good. Through some very good coaching I now have learned that nothing, and I mean nothing, helps me as much as making a full, complete, relaxed backswing. I can't rotate starting from a good position if I never get into that position in the first place. When it's working I have very good contact and speed. I played in a pro-am with my coach on Monday. I was sucking big-time. (I was the horse last week!). Finally my coach told me I was starting to chop off my backswing again. I blame nervous tension. I started thinking about finishing and played the last four holes even. For me, it's finishing the backswing. As always, ymmv! Clay Kenny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokes Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Try "skipping some stones or golf balls" underhanded/sidearm across the range. Forget about the postions of hands and arms, just feel the natural turn you get while aiming at a target. Now apply the same while swinging a club and "skip" the head of the club to the target. Don't try to hit at the ball, hit the target. Edited April 21, 2021 by Dokes Quote "Everyday takes figuring out all over again how to f***ing live." Calamity Jane - Deadwood. People ask me what I do for a living? I say "I answer stupid questions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nakayama Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 11:15 AM, Chip Strokes said: my miss with my irons is fat...sometimes terribly fat. i seem to get myself in trouble when trying to guide the club to the ball with my arms, rather than letting my hips clear and rotating through impact. as a result, i end up with the club stuck behind me, and i dump it well behind the ball and send an impressive chunk of earth flying down the fairway. instead of heading down the never ending rabbit hole of youtube videos, does anyone have good drills for rotating through the ball? thanks in advance. I know you tube can be a mess but it might not be all hip rotation. You can put a club over your shoulders and rotate back and forth making sure you do sway either way, rotating around a stable spine. Check out Clay Ballard's Straight Line release. You may be rotating fine but releasing the club early. Chip Strokes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 12:32 PM, cnosil said: I am no help here. I think this whole rotation thing is what has screwed up my golf swing. Yes, this is something I was thinking about when he mentioned feeling stuck. My coach says a lot of people he sees need less rotation, not more, including myself. Without seeing a video I don't want to guess too much, but @Chip Strokes could it be that your club path is from the inside (a good thing, obviously) but your body is so rotated open with your hips and shoulders that your hands get stuck behind you? You basically have two options from that position: 1) Stand up/early extend to give your hands/arms space, or 2) Dump the club into the ground behind the ball. If that's the case, a feeling of hands starting the downswing might get your arms/hands/club unstuck and more out in front of you. cnosil 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Bill Nakayama said: I know you tube can be a mess but it might not be all hip rotation. You can put a club over your shoulders and rotate back and forth making sure you do sway either way, rotating around a stable spine. Check out Clay Ballard's Straight Line release. You may be rotating fine but releasing the club early. 57 minutes ago, edingc said: Yes, this is something I was thinking about when he mentioned feeling stuck. My coach says a lot of people he sees need less rotation, not more, including myself. Without seeing a video I don't want to guess too much, but @Chip Strokes could it be that your club path is from the inside (a good thing, obviously) but your body is so rotated open with your hips and shoulders that your hands get stuck behind you? You basically have two options from that position: 1) Stand up/early extend to give your hands/arms space, or 2) Dump the club into the ground behind the ball. If that's the case, a feeling of hands starting the downswing might get your arms/hands/club unstuck and more out in front of you. thanks for the input guys. you both could be 100% correct, i might be rotating fine. i’m just going off of the feeling i had when i hit my better shots last time out. my thoughts and my practice swings were focused on getting my hips through and out of the way. the swing felt freer and like i had more space to get the club face to the ball. i’m gonna have to video a few swings for you all to see i guess. it’s extremely possible that what i’m feeling vs what i’m doing are completely differebt. i appreciate all the input. cnosil and edingc 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 @edingc @RickyBobby_PR @cnosil @Dokes @Bill Nakayama here are a couple of 7i swings from about a month ago on the simulator. you can see after the first swing, my rehearsals are focused on getting the hips through better. pls be gentle Shapotomous 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Nice move! I don't see a rotation problem. You do get pretty far inside on the takeaway (me too) so I am wondering if when you feel stuck if it is just your trail side breaking down. Hard to tell with the swing you posted as those were good and you say it only usually happens on course. edingc 1 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said: Nice move! I don't see a rotation problem. You do get pretty far inside on the takeaway (me too) so I am wondering if when you feel stuck if it is just your trail side breaking down. Hard to tell with the swing you posted as those were good and you say it only usually happens on course. if i hit the ball that well on the course, we’d be having a different conversation entirely then again at the range/on the sim i tend to swing free and not worry about bad shots can you define “trail side breaking down” for me? edingc and THEZIPR23 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: if i hit the ball that well on the course, we’d be having a different conversation entirely then again at the range/on the sim i tend to swing free and not worry about bad shots can you define “trail side breaking down” for me? I'd agree with @THEZIPR23 about your takeaway. When you come back inside like that you can only come back over the top, or to keep it inside you're going to have to come out of your posture slightly to prevent from chunking it. I do the same, and when it gets out of control I go back to a couple different thoughts depending on what feels right that day: right arm over left, right palm facing ball/ground longer, going up a wall with the arms are ones that my coach has used in the past. I'm assuming your good shots tend to have a bit of draw on them? Mixed in with some snappers and high blocks right? My disclaimer in all of this is that I'm a mid-cap myself, so take it all with a grain of salt. THEZIPR23 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: if i hit the ball that well on the course, we’d be having a different conversation entirely then again at the range/on the sim i tend to swing free and not worry about bad shots can you define “trail side breaking down” for me? Basically your right leg flexing too much and/or right shoulder moving closer to hip. edingc and Chip Strokes 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, edingc said: I'd agree with @THEZIPR23 about your takeaway. When you come back inside like that you can only come back over the top, or to keep it inside you're going to have to come out of your posture slightly to prevent from chunking it. I do the same, and when it gets out of control I go back to a couple different thoughts depending on what feels right that day: right arm over left, right palm facing ball/ground longer, going up a wall with the arms are ones that my coach has used in the past. I'm assuming your good shots tend to have a bit of draw on them? Mixed in with some snappers and high blocks right? first bold: i definitely lose my posture to deliver the club. you’re spot on there second bold: again, nailed it. good contact is a 5-10 yard draw. i block a lot out to the right, and then of course i hit shots fat too. THEZIPR23 and edingc 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, edingc said: I'd agree with @THEZIPR23 about your takeaway. When you come back inside like that you can only come back over the top, or to keep it inside you're going to have to come out of your posture slightly to prevent from chunking it. I do the same, and when it gets out of control I go back to a couple different thoughts depending on what feels right that day: right arm over left, right palm facing ball/ground longer, going up a wall with the arms are ones that my coach has used in the past. I'm assuming your good shots tend to have a bit of draw on them? Mixed in with some snappers and high blocks right? My disclaimer in all of this is that I'm a mid-cap myself, so take it all with a grain of salt. I think with our results together you and I should start "just 2 dudes giving lessons" on twitter. MaxEntropy, Chip Strokes, edingc and 2 others 1 4 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, THEZIPR23 said: I think with our results together you and I should start "just 2 dudes giving lessons" on twitter. @Chip Strokes you played baseball, if I remember correctly? I've noticed people with background in baseball/softball seem to have a lot of the same issues with the golf swing. I've been working a bit with my wife, who played a lot of softball, and her issue is an inside takeaway as well. Right palm facing ground longer on the backswing helped her a lot. I say this because I know @THEZIPR23 also has a baseball background as well, and we all seem to have similar things going on in our swing! THEZIPR23 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, edingc said: @Chip Strokes you played baseball, if I remember correctly? I've noticed people with background in baseball/softball seem to have a lot of the same issues with the golf swing. I've been working a bit with my wife, who played a lot of softball, and her issue is an inside takeaway as well. Right palm facing ground longer on the backswing helped her a lot. I say this because I know @THEZIPR23 also has a baseball background as well, and we all seem to have similar things going on in our swing! yessir, college and semi-pro ball. so my takeaway needs to come more straight back as opposed to so far inside the ball? edingc and twyatt700 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Chip Strokes said: yessir, college and semi-pro ball. so my takeaway needs to come more straight back as opposed to so far inside the ball? Before you go changing your takeaway just focus on keeping right shoulder higher if and when you start getting the chunks. Changing the takeaway is going to be a big change and may change the matchups you currently have. edingc and Chip Strokes 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said: Before you go changing your takeaway just focus on keeping right shoulder higher if and when you start getting the chunks. Changing the takeaway is going to be a big change and may change the matchups you currently have. not disputing you - just trying to understand what you’re suggesting. you say shoulder higher, but when i look at most any pro at impact, i see this: edingc 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Chip Strokes said: @edingc @RickyBobby_PR @cnosil @Dokes @Bill Nakayama here are a couple of 7i swings from about a month ago on the simulator. you can see after the first swing, my rehearsals are focused on getting the hips through better. pls be gentle The guys pointed out some good stuff. in pic 1 you are in a decent spot but one thing that could be improved is not having any hip rotation at that point. The hips should start to move back as you go from pic 1 to pic to what many refer to as p2 or shaft parallel. Because of the earlier hip rotation you are getting the club behind you hands instead of getting the wrist set and riding your the shaft line. This gets you into a position that where your right arm is behind the seam of you shirts. It should be on or in front of it. You make a good move into the transition but because of where your arm is at you get the shaft steep in pic 4. As a result of that you have to stall the hips and rotation and stand up a bit to shallow the shaft and get to contact. This cause you to throw your hands and arms at the ball. This video from amg is a good one to fix your takeaway and help you get in a better spot at the top to then be able to get into a spot in transiton and coming into impact Here’s a good one for the transition Vegan_Golfer_PNW 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 87 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The trouble with trying to diagnose swing faults is that you can't see yourself swing. What you need to do is see a pro. My experience has been that it's the best golf purchase I've ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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