fixyurdivot Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Middler said: Do you watch those tours? Yes, along with the Champions, Korn Ferry, Collegiate, and LPGA. The quality of golfers and shot making on all of them are rarified air and, while the PGA Tour is great, I don't find watching the other venues to be a letdown in the least. GaDawg 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said: That's correct. Entire field gets paid. Which i can see being attractive. Still all of these guys are done lucky to be playing golf for their profession. A spot many of us would swap to do even if it was just PGA events. I'm sure many know how lucky they are as well. I don't fault them for wanting to make more money. I think most wouldn't mind getting extra to assist us. However RMac said it pretty good. He is happy, has a good going, ankle to sort his family, has clothing and living a good life all because he is good at a sport he loves. And he has a net worth in excess of 100 million. At that level - how much more money do you need. For him it's about being the best - winning majors. Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, tony@CIC said: And he has a net worth in excess of 100 million. At that level - how much more money do you need. For him it's about being the best - winning majors. Why does it matter how much a person has or is worth and weather they want more of it? People get caught up in concerning themselves too much with the the amount of money or possessions people have and ignore the effort they put into that getting too where they are at. We all should be trying to make as much as possible. I want what many call F U money and I don’t think that’s being greedy at all. GrumpyGolf 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGolf Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 The money aspect of it is what gets me at the moment. Most of the guys on the tour who would cause a stir by jumping to the LIV are not hurting for money, but with the amounts of money that are being talked about for everyone that even participates it would make sense to jump. Think about the fact that the fields will be smaller and the difference between the say top 20 players there and everyone else would be a chasm as opposed to the gradual decline you see in the PGA (don't hold that number as true, but at some point there would be a cliff in level of play). So anyone who says they want to go play against the best in the world is kidding themselves and worse they are trying to make you believe them. Now for the those players not in that elite group why wouldn't you make the jump? Easy/guaranteed money, a chance to play on the last day as a contender with a few of the top players in the world, increased visibility for your sponsors, the ability to get sponsors (at least ones not concerned with being associated with the tour), and any other perks that might not be afforded to them in the PGA. So from a money aspect it really is all about the money and not about playing against the best to be the best. sirchunksalot 1 Quote Driver: Ping G410 10.5 degree ALTA CB 55 RED STIFF Fairway: Cobra FLYXL 3 & 5 Hybrid: Cobra FLYXL 4 & 5 Irons: Cobra FLYXL 6 - P w/ Mitsubishi Rayon KURO KAGE Black Parallel Graphite Iron Shaft STIFF Wedges: Edel SMS 50, 54, 58 degree with KBS STIFF 2g/8g/10g Weight Setup Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab 7 Putter w/ Graphite & Steel Shaft and Pistol Grip Ball: Bridgestone Tour B X GPS: Shot Scope V3 w/ Trackers "You don't HAVE to go play golf, you GET to go play golf." - Harvey Penick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 4 hours ago, tony@CIC said: Totally in agreement and especially Sergio after his last rules blow-up. I think the blow up was the PGA Rules officials making a mistake. Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, GaDawg said: I think the blow up was the PGA Rules officials making a mistake. It was actually a referee. According to the rules he could have played a second ball until a rules official made the final determination which they ultimately did but couldn't change the score. Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I wonder how long the LIV money will last? There’s reason to believe the PGA will be around in 10 years, I can’t imagine the Saudis will want to throw ridiculous amounts of money at LIV forever - the money isn’t going to make everyone forget about their atrocities, which is their actual goal. IOW LIV might not be the most lucrative long term, especially if they scale back money or fold up their tents in 10 years or less. Make sense for older players with low probability of winning on the PGA like Sergio and Phil, but not for todays real PGA contenders - they draw audiences. Headlines like this won’t help - ”Greg Norman Shrugs Off Khashoggi Murder While Promoting Saudi-Backed Golf Tour: ‘We All Make Mistakes’” https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/golf-legend-greg-norman-ceo-161043390.html Norman has lost any moral authority he ever had…he’s a $ wh__e now. tony@CIC 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Phil is out of the PGA Championship. Will he ever play in a PGA event again? mikeanthony, fixyurdivot, Kenny B and 2 others 1 4 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said: Phil is out of the PGA Championship. Will he ever play in a PGA event again? That's unfortunate and I hope he does at some point. The next question is whether he plays the Shark Tour? Nolan220 and tony@CIC 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeanthony Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said: Phil is out of the PGA Championship. Will he ever play in a PGA event again? Upsetting for sure. And I can’t help but think that he withdrew for what would likely have been a massive distraction that he’d bring to the Championship. Every question from reporters would be about the LIV and his previous comments. Hopefully Tiger’s presence will be more of a focus from the press. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: G410 SFT 10.5* 3W: Speedzone 14.5* Hybrid: TS2 19* & 21* Irons: Forged Tec One Length (5i-GW) Wedges: T22 55* & 59* Putter: 002 Mid-Mallet Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft LS & Prime-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 14 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said: Phil is out of the PGA Championship. Will he ever play in a PGA event again? I wonder if he was suspended from playing this week, which would have made playing in the PGA less distracting. This is getting to be too much. Phil said stupid and obnoxious things and deserved criticism but not to be cancelled from playing majors. tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkeleybob Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, LICC said: I wonder if he was suspended from playing this week, which would have made playing in the PGA less distracting. This is getting to be too much. Phil said stupid and obnoxious things and deserved criticism but not to be cancelled from playing majors. My understanding is that he withdrew himself. tony@CIC 1 Quote WITB 2024 DRIVER AEROJET 10.5° | FAIRWAY ROGUE ST MAX 3/15° HYBRID G410 21° | UTILITY 699 V2 U 5/23° IRONS 699 V2 6-PW WEDGES CBX 2 50°, 54°, 58° PUTTER KING GRANDSPORT 35 BALL MODEL | PRO WHITE/BLUE ICE BAG 3.5 LS | PUSHCART RV1S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 11 hours ago, mikeanthony said: Upsetting for sure. And I can’t help but think that he withdrew for what would likely have been a massive distraction that he’d bring to the Championship Whenever Phil plays again he's going to be the primary focus of the media, and he's going to get grilled endlessly, and he going to be a distraction to the event. In my view, it might just be best for him to "rip the bandage off" and get that part over with. I really thought that the PGA might be the most logical place to do that, based on his win last year, and the fact that the PGA Championship isn't run by the entity (PGA Tour) that he slammed so hard in his conversation with Shipnuck. He's just extending the slow drip of torture by withdrawing this week. tony@CIC and revkev 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, berkeleybob said: My understanding is that he withdrew himself. Exactly. He pulled out himself and not any action from the pga tour or the pga organization. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, DaveP043 said: Whenever Phil plays again he's going to be the primary focus of the media, and he's going to get grilled endlessly, and he going to be a distraction to the event. In my view, it might just be best for him to "rip the bandage off" and get that part over with. I really thought that the PGA might be the most logical place to do that, based on his win last year, and the fact that the PGA Championship isn't run by the entity (PGA Tour) that he slammed so hard in his conversation with Shipnuck. He's just extending the slow drip of torture by withdrawing this week. I understand this comment and agree to a point. What if he's showing respect for the game and wanting to be the spectacle at a non-major rather than raining on everyone's parade at the PGA? Perhaps we will see him in an event between now and the US Open so the bandage gets ripped off and we are able to move forward. IMO this entire thing has been bizarre. I'm unusual in that I'm not a big Phil fan - not a hatter but just not a huge Phil guy. He comes across to me as a bit plastic (to me - it's the way I feel and feelings are hard to change - my daughter loves him as to so many others). I'm ready for the side show to end but very happy that it won't be at the PGA where it would then be forced to have all Phil, all the time. Give me Tiger any day. fixyurdivot, GolfSpy_APH, tony@CIC and 1 other 2 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballhawk Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Honestly, it's a big to do about nothing. Name past winning golfers going for big money, that will not stay afloat for any real amount of time. It's all about the money, regardless of which tour they play. For the real playing fans of the game, there's only 4 tournaments that mean anything in the world of golf and we all know what they are. For those players that willingly give up the chance to compete in those, for the sake of the almighty dollar, just boggles the mind. tony@CIC 1 Quote Total Callaway bag - except putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 5 hours ago, berkeleybob said: My understanding is that he withdrew himself. I know. But if he played this week (the Byron Nelson) he would have gotten the initial circus over with and could have been less a distraction at the PGA. Unless he wasn’t allowed to play this week. tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 23 hours ago, revkev said: I understand this comment and agree to a point. What if he's showing respect for the game and wanting to be the spectacle at a non-major rather than raining on everyone's parade at the PGA? Perhaps we will see him in an event between now and the US Open so the bandage gets ripped off and we are able to move forward. IMO this entire thing has been bizarre. I'm unusual in that I'm not a big Phil fan - not a hatter but just not a huge Phil guy. He comes across to me as a bit plastic (to me - it's the way I feel and feelings are hard to change - my daughter loves him as to so many others). I'm ready for the side show to end but very happy that it won't be at the PGA where it would then be forced to have all Phil, all the time. Give me Tiger any day. That's the interesting thing about your final comment as there are so many parallels between the two yet completely different standards in the court of public opinion. I too was really hoping he would "rip the band aid off" and get the media frenzy over with (well, maybe not 100%, but most anyway) but he chose not to and, at least thus far, we don't know why. Now, presuming he wants a chance at completing the grand slam, one would think he's faced with a tough decision on whether to simply make Brookline CC the place the event within the event will happen or a non-major event. And of course, if he plays the Shark Tour events, he may not be allowed to play a regular event (or may have to Monday qualify). Like Tiger, they both are up against Father Time and the grade up the hill increases at a faster rate as the years go by... cannot afford to let opportunities slip by. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 While I'm not a fan of what's going on the LIV tour, I do miss seeing Phil perform magic with his wedges. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsweetnc Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 8:09 AM, Middler said: +1. I couldn’t care less if I see Phil (or Sergio) play again, but I realize he still has fans. I have no interest in players who defect to a tour backed by “scary mother….” As much as I would like to see them both play again, it really wont affect me either way. I do not feel i will show support for the new tour. Quote Dsweet the hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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