Edel Array Putters . 2024 Forum Review

[GolfSpy AFG]

I hope to have all my unboxing and first impressions up tonight, but it could be tomorrow morning. Here's a little taste for now.  She's purty...

[Parshooter36]

I got out for 9 holes at my home course today and the F-3 really shined. I missed a couple of 4 footers early that I misread, but made putts from 12, 15, and 20 feet. I also had a 50 footer on the last hole that I rolled inside a foot.

The weather is supposed to turn here tonight, so I'll be back to indoor practice the next few days. 

[GolfSpy AFG]

On 3/31/2024 at 9:42 AM, cnosil said:

I'm a little confused.   your diagrams show face consistently open at impact but you wrote you are closed at impact.   The path doesn't have a huge influence on ball direction and ball direction even shows it goes right.     Makes me wonder how you are pulling putts; everything shows they should be going right.  

 

Chris, you're right, and I misspoke on the face position at impact.  And, you make a fair point and maybe I should be saying I'm missing left rather than using the term pull.  On a left to right putt I tend to miss high, and on right to left putts I have tended to miss low, so to your point it's more aim bias than stroke mechanics.

Hate it when you're right...

[GolfSpy AFG]

My unboxing and first impression pics are up! SO excited to test this one...

 

[TSauer]

2 hours ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

My unboxing and first impression pics are up! SO excited to test this one...

 

Nicely done! Very curious to see how you get along with the F1 since coming from the Odyssey triple wide. I'm also interested in the battle of the two alignment plates to see just how big of an impact it really has.

Even though everyone has been or will be fit into a specific plate, it would have been cool to see some numbers comparing all six plates in the putter they were fit in to.

Looking forward to more!

[Prodigal Duffer]

Intended to test both distance control and accuracy today. I tested distance control from 10 feet, as my putting stats show that I am worst from 10 feet and shorter, leaving more than half of my putts short. First, I tested my gamer, an Odyssey R-Ball mallet. The results:

Then, the Array B-1:

I think the Array was a clear winner here. 

I attempted to begin accuracy testing with gates at 5 feet, but these greens had very deceptive slopes, it was extremely windy, and I struggled to hit anything. I decided to abort that portion of the testing and, instead, do accuracy testing on my Birdie Ball putting mat. I did that when I got home, and will likely post the results tomorrow.

Edited April 3 by Prodigal Duffer

[Rob Person]

How much of a difference in stroke/pressure did you have to adjust between the 2 putters?

[Prodigal Duffer]

11 hours ago, Rob Person said:

How much of a difference in stroke/pressure did you have to adjust between the 2 putters?

It wasn't a huge difference. Based on my historical stats and my fitting, I think that my gamer is too heavy for me, so my common miss is short. The fitter said that my tempo is excellent. Wish it showed on the course!

Yesterday, I tested accuracy (through gates) from 5 and 9 feet. I've decided to repeat that test a total of ten times, which I hope will eliminate outlier results, like an off day or lack of familiarity with the Array. I also will test accuracy from 3 feet. Yesterday, the Array significantly outperformed my gamer.

[GolfSpy AFG]

If you’re wondering if you can do this with the Array F-1, yes.  Yes you can.

 

You have to be a little more precise picking it up but once you do it’s actually in there pretty snug.

A silly thing to me when it comes to picking out putters, but I know it matters to some.  So there you go. 

[Parshooter36]

10 hours ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

If you’re wondering if you can do this with the Array F-1, yes.  Yes you can.

 

You have to be a little more precise picking it up but once you do it’s actually in there pretty snug.

A silly thing to me when it comes to picking out putters, but I know it matters to some.  So there you go. 

I'm not going to lie, I was glad that I could pick up the ball with the F-3. You definitely have to do a bit of a wrist flip since there is not a lot of real estate sticking out past the alignment plate.

[Rob Person]

On 4/3/2024 at 8:27 AM, Prodigal Duffer said:

It wasn't a huge difference. Based on my historical stats and my fitting, I think that my gamer is too heavy for me, so my common miss is short. The fitter said that my tempo is excellent. Wish it showed on the course!

Yesterday, I tested accuracy (through gates) from 5 and 9 feet. I've decided to repeat that test a total of ten times, which I hope will eliminate outlier results, like an off day or lack of familiarity with the Array. I also will test accuracy from 3 feet. Yesterday, the Array significantly outperformed my gamer.

 because this one is lighter, did you feel the difference in force used to move the ball?  Or is the face softer/harder causing the distance issues on your gamer.?

[Prodigal Duffer]

So far, I've found the biggest difference is long putts. I have to significantly increase my stroke with the Array to lag it long. Shorter putts, my "normal" feel is usually sufficient. With the gamer, I think a big part of it is mental. The footprint of the mallet is significant, combined with the extra weight, I tend to think I'm going to over hit the ball.

The Odyssey has an insert, which makes the ball come off the face a bit softer. That could be an issue in the distance control as well. When I did my second round of accuracy testing last night, I stupidly left a few of the Odyssey putts short (testing at 9 feet). I mean, who cares if they blow past the target? The point is to see if I can get it through the target! The only time that happened with the Array, the ball still hit the gate, but probably on its last revolution.

[TylorJudd]

On 4/1/2024 at 3:32 AM, GolfSpy AFG said:

I hope to have all my unboxing and first impressions up tonight, but it could be tomorrow morning. Here's a little taste for now.  She's purty...

 Very Scotty Cameron Phantom killer, very nice putter

[buckpillar]

On 4/2/2024 at 9:19 PM, Prodigal Duffer said:

Intended to test both distance control and accuracy today. I tested distance control from 10 feet, as my putting stats show that I am worst from 10 feet and shorter, leaving more than half of my putts short. First, I tested my gamer, an Odyssey R-Ball mallet. The results:

Then, the Array B-1:

I think the Array was a clear winner here. 

I attempted to begin accuracy testing with gates at 5 feet, but these greens had very deceptive slopes, it was extremely windy, and I struggled to hit anything. I decided to abort that portion of the testing and, instead, do accuracy testing on my Birdie Ball putting mat. I did that when I got home, and will likely post the results tomorrow.

Definitely looks like the Array was the winner, with different slopes can help with accuracy, making putting to a specific aiming point will help dial it in

[Parshooter36]

It's been cold here this week, so I've been playing on the simulator. I use a Uneekor QED for my simulator which has slow motion replay of the clubhead at impact. I have been consistently hitting the center of the clubface with the F-3. I think the slant neck is allowing me to make a more natural stroke. With my face balanced putter I was using a straight back straight through stroke that I felt I needed to guide to keep the clubhead on that path. I would even stop my stroke sometimes on the backswing when I felt the putter going back offline. I have not had that happen once with the Edel, it is a much more fluid motion.

[SDunne]

1 hour ago, Parshooter36 said:

It's been cold here this week, so I've been playing on the simulator. I use a Uneekor QED for my simulator which has slow motion replay of the clubhead at impact. I have been consistently hitting the center of the clubface with the F-3. I think the slant neck is allowing me to make a more natural stroke. With my face balanced putter I was using a straight back straight through stroke that I felt I needed to guide to keep the clubhead on that path. I would even stop my stroke sometimes on the backswing when I felt the putter going back offline. I have not had that happen once with the Edel, it is a much more fluid motion.

Very cool setup - love the look of this and the stats it shows!

[GolfSpy AFG]

I’m acclimating to the F-1.

These are the results of a Stack Putting combine from each of the last 4 nights.  Last night, the 1.22 score, matched the best round I’ve ever recorded with any of my gamers.  Still not great, but reason for optimism. I’m going from a face-balanced (0 toe hang) ballet with a single bend neck and 3 degrees of loft to 44 degrees of toe hang, slant neck, 1.5 degrees of loft and 2 degrees upright.  It feels like a big change, but I’m getting comfortable quickly.

[cnosil]

56 minutes ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

I’m going from a face-balanced (0 toe hang) ballet with a single bend neck and 3 degrees of loft to 44 degrees of toe hang, slant neck, 1.5 degrees of loft and 2 degrees upright.  It feels like a big change, but I’m getting comfortable quickly.

Interesting that you "feel" the change.   Makes me think you are trying to manipulate the putter during the stroke.   What do you focus on (hands, head, face angle, something else?) when you are making a stroke?  

[GolfSpy AFG]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Interesting that you "feel" the change.   Makes me think you are trying to manipulate the putter during the stroke.   What do you focus on (hands, head, face angle, something else?) when you are making a stroke?  

You’re really honing in on my choice of words Chris!   Fair.  Optically it’s different, especially given the setup and the hosel difference. And the main feel difference is in the transition from the insert of the Odyssey’s to the milled face of the Edel, which I neglected to mention in that last post.

[GolfSpy AFG]

@cnosilre-reading your post and I apologize, I didn’t really answer your question as to what I focus on.  I consider myself a Dave Stockton acolyte…I pick a spot an inch or two in front of the ball and roll it over that (after spending the bulk of the pre-shot routine focusing on distance). That’s honestly what I’m looking at when I pull the trigger, and I’m certainly not focusing on any mechanics.  I do some drills for work on mechanics but not during my actual putting stroke.

[cnosil]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

You’re really honing in on my choice of words Chris!   Fair.  Optically it’s different, especially given the setup and the hosel difference. And the main feel difference is in the transition from the insert of the Odyssey’s to the milled face of the Edel, which I neglected to mention in that last post.

Thanks for the clarification;  sounded like you were feeling a difference in how the putter moved through the stroke since you were describing things like the neck and toe hang.     The question would then be if the visual and feel elements are just subjective things or if they have an influence on performance.  Based on your numbers you seem to be getting better results; which is good.  Wish we could translate it to see if the improved aim also improves your face at impact consistency.   

[GolfSpy AFG]

3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Thanks for the clarification;  sounded like you were feeling a difference in how the putter moved through the stroke since you were describing things like the neck and toe hang.     The question would then be if the visual and feel elements are just subjective things or if they have an influence on performance.  Based on your numbers you seem to be getting better results; which is good.  Wish we could translate it to see if the improved aim also improves your face at impact consistency.   

That’s an interesting point.  The Club Champion fitter didn’t charge me for the fitting since I’d already paid for the iron fitting a few weeks prior…maybe I can get on the S&M again…

That said, I did pick up the other alignment plate to try and test if that results in a tangible difference.

[Prodigal Duffer]

Got out for my first round with the Array. I was a bit apprehensive for a few reasons. First, it was very windy today:

I was more concerned about the wind for everything but the green, but I do think it played a bit of a role in putting, too.

Second, during warm ups, I felt a pop in my groin muscle, so I was not sure I would be able to swing, walk, etc. Luckily, I think it is just a mild pulled muscle. It affected probably three or four shots total on the day, and no putts. Both for time and out of caution, I played only nine holes.

On the whole, I was pleased with how the Array performed. I said that one benchmark I will use is a reduction in the number of putts I leave short. The stats say that did not occur today,

but I am a bit skeptical of the Shot Scope accuracy on the greens (more on this later).

My stats, prior to today, also indicate that I am very bad at putts under ten feet. So, my other significant benchmark is whether I perform better with the Array at putts less than ten feet. Here are today’s results:

Pretty good. Not sure what putt(s) I missed less than three feet. When I review my individual holes, I don’t find any putts I missed from that distance (and don’t remember any). If you prefer strokes gained:

Based on a data set of one, the Array is off to a good start. Of course, data tells a lot, but could use some context. My next post will hopefully provide that.

Edited April 8 by Prodigal Duffer

[Prodigal Duffer]

So, now for context (and subjective feedback) for my first round with the Array. Aesthetically, I like it a lot, but it does not fit well in my stand bag:

I am getting a cart bag next week, so hopefully that works better. I really like the look of the blade next to the ball:

First hole, my first putt was over 60 feet:

I knocked the ball about six feet past the hole (hole was on the edge of a right to left slope, so I think the speed was pretty good, just got the slope and ended up six feet below the hole). Shot Scope says that first putt was from 49 feet. I walked it off, so color me skeptical. I made the second putt dead center.

On my first birdie opportunity of the day, my first putt was from 42 feet (Shot Scope):

Left it about four feet short, but made par.

My next birdie attempt came two holes later, and had a pretty nasty down slope with right to left to right break. I chickened out a bit on speed and left it short. Shot Scope says I wasn’t even on the green and that my second putt was from ten feet. It was probably five (I made it). 

Next hole, I had a pretty long first putt. Shot Scope says 13 feet, felt longer. I thought I was going to catch the left edge and make the putt, but barely missed:

Next hole was my highlight putt. Had a less than stellar tee shot, and given the headwind and dog leg, decided to lay up. This gave me a straight shot at the green, and I hit my iron real nice. Wind killed it, so now I am pitching on for my fourth.  This was the look I had to save bogey:

This was maybe six feet. I felt confident with the Array and drained it.

First day feedback is that I like the look of the Array. I am not used to its lighter weight and that affected me mentally a few times. I think that will change as I play with it more. I can recall only one hole where I had a truly bad line, which was due to me opening the face during my stroke. Aside from that one instance, I hit my lines (if not always at the intended speed).

[CFreddie]

2 minutes ago, Prodigal Duffer said:

So, now for context (and subjective feedback) for my first round with the Array. Aesthetically, I like it a lot, but it does not fit well in my stand bag:

I am getting a cart bag next week, so hopefully that works better. I really like the look of the blade next to the ball:

First hole, my first putt was over 60 feet:

I knocked the ball about six feet past the hole (hole was on the edge of a right to left slope, so I think the speed was pretty good, just got the slope and ended up six feet below the hole). Shot Scope says that first putt was from 49 feet. I walked it off, so color me skeptical. I made the second putt dead center.

On my first birdie opportunity of the day, my first putt was from 42 feet (Shot Scope):

Left it about four feet short, but made par.

My next birdie attempt came two holes later, and had a pretty nasty down slope with right to left to right break. I chickened out a bit on speed and left it short. Shot Scope says I wasn’t even on the green and that my second putt was from ten feet. It was probably five (I made it). 

Next hole, I had a pretty long first putt. Shot Scope says 13 feet, felt longer. I thought I was going to catch the left edge and make the putt, but barely missed:

Next hole was my highlight putt. Had a less than stellar tee shot, and given the headwind and dog leg, decided to lay up. This gave me a straight shot at the green, and I hit my iron real nice. Wind killed it, so now I am pitching on for my fourth.  This was the look I had to save bogey:

This was maybe six feet. I felt confident with the Array and drained it.

First day feedback is that I like the look of the Array. I am not used to its lighter weight and that affected me mentally a few times. I think that will change as I play with it more. I can recall only one hole where I had a truly bad line, which was due to me opening the face during my stroke. Aside from that one instance, I hit my lines (if not always at the intended speed).

Good review - agree that the look of this blade looks great. Looking forward to reading more on your journey with the Edel!

[cnosil]

19 minutes ago, Prodigal Duffer said:

Pretty good. Not sure what putt(s) I missed less than three feet. When I review my individual holes, I don’t find any putts I missed from that distance (and don’t remember any). If you prefer strokes gained:

 

On the dashboard you can review each hole from the round and it will show you each shot and how close to the hole the shot got or "holed" when you make the shot.   Based on your posts you don't like the putting aspect of ShotScope but it needs to adjust the distance, commercial GPS is typically off by a few feet, and tap in putts may not be registered if you hit them to soon after the prior shot.    You definitely need to review All the shots captured with shotscope to ensure they are accurately placed.  

[Prodigal Duffer]

@cnosil, I wouldn’t say I don’t like SS’s putting tracking, because in general, I do. I just have a bit of skepticism about the distance stats it produces because, as you’ve pointed out, GPS is accurate only to within a few feet.

My biggest beef is on the shorter putts, but I also cannot zoom in enough on the dashboard to accurately correct those putts. For longer putts (such as the birdie putt I referenced above where SS thinks I wasn’t on the green), I just don’t care enough whether it was 48 or 38 feet. I also don’t feel confident enough to adjust the second putt because I didn’t take another measurement.

I should add that this was the first round where I used the putter tag, as it did not fit on my gamer. I liked not having to mark the location of each of my putts, although I bet that is a little bit more accurate. I will take less accurate distance stats in exchange for not having to remember to mark every putt I take.

Edited April 7 by Prodigal Duffer

[cnosil]

5 minutes ago, Prodigal Duffer said:

My biggest beef is on the shorter putts, but I also cannot zoom in enough on the dashboard to accurately correct those putts. For longer putts (such as the birdie putt I referenced above where SS thinks I wasn’t on the green), I just don’t care enough whether it was 48 or 38 feet. I also don’t feel confident enough to adjust the second putt because I didn’t take another measurement.

The adjustments are best done on an actual computer and not a mobile device.  You can use the arrow keys to move the selected dot to the correct location and distance.      Ultimately if you don't care or feel like you can provide accurate numbers the results are going to be less than accurate.  Obviously your choice.  

[Parshooter36]

9 minutes ago, Prodigal Duffer said:

@cnosil, I wouldn’t say I don’t like SS’s putting tracking, because in general, I do. I just have a bit of skepticism about the distance stats it produces because, as you’ve pointed out, GPS is accurate only to within a few feet.

My biggest beef is on the shorter putts, but I also cannot zoom in enough on the dashboard to accurately correct those putts. For longer putts (such as the birdie putt I referenced above where SS thinks I wasn’t on the green), I just don’t care enough whether it was 48 or 38 feet. I also don’t feel confident enough to adjust the second putt because I didn’t take another measurement.

When I used shotscope I felt that the manual putting was much more accurate than using the sensor.

[Bucky CC]

As I wait for my Edel Array to arrive I've been continuing to practice with my Odyssey White Hot OG #7.  I set up a Stack training session of 9 putts ranging every two feet from 2-18'.  The putts are listed in order below, but it's randomized when actually doing the program.

Slight direction bias to the right but overall the numbers have been great through 5 sessions.  It's going to be hard for the Array to be a big improvement over my gamer when it comes to straight putts up to 18'.