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Thanks.  Per website, they are not priced like DeBeer diamonds.  Priced in line with big name brands.  If I were younger I would try to find fitter but I am 69 and need to play more, not spend more.

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5W : Titleist TSi 1,    Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex.

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15 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Thanks.  Per website, they are not priced like DeBeer diamonds.  Priced in line with big name brands.  If I were younger I would try to find fitter but I am 69 and need to play more, not spend more.

if you can find the "Shop" button, it will take you to the individual models. 

For the models that we tested, which are basically the "Bentley" of their offerings, you're looking at $700 for the set of heads and just under $1000 for a built set 4-PW

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21 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Thanks.  Per website, they are not priced like DeBeer diamonds.  Priced in line with big name brands.  If I were younger I would try to find fitter but I am 69 and need to play more, not spend more.

Agree with Stu here. For a customization / heads only option, we did their the cream of the crop. The other @Toura Golf options will perform just as well as the MB or CB options tested. You have to remember, each iron is manufactured by Kyoei Golf Industries in Japan. They are one of the top iron / wedge houses in Japan. Toura is pretty much giving these clubs away for a fraction of the price on the Kyoei site. Ranging from $1500 to $2500 for a set of irons on the Kyoei site VS $500 to $1100 on Toura. 

Great product and cannot recommend it enough. 

https://touragolf.com/

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I figured since the page flipped right after I posted my final review reminder, I'd post it again. 

Here are all of the links to our final reviews in 1 post. 

Happy Reading 😁 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, azstu324 said:

I figured since the page flipped right after I posted my final review reminder, I'd post it again. 

Here are all of the links to our final reviews in 1 post. 

Happy Reading 😁 

 

 

 

What a guy that @azstu324

*** QUICK UPDATE ***

Was not able to get out over the weekend due to a garage that was so messy that if I didn't clean it up, I may have sold the house outright. 

Was able to sneak in a range session over lunch. Irons are still silky smooth off the face. It was quite windy  today to mostly just a feel / knock the rust off session. Still working on shot shape and different feel shots. One thing I am very much high on is the workability of the mid irons (specifically 6-8i). I do like to hit a low running 'punch' at times and the turf interaction and crisp feel on the face works great on the 6, 7 and 8 for these types of shots under 125. I also do love the fact that I can keep the flight lower and still have my straight or work a baby cut with each club. Looking forward to this shot type into play in the coming rounds. Have a few scheduled for this week. League night, TENATIVELY for tomorrow. Because, you know it's Tuesday in WI which means rain in the forecast yet again. Have 18 planned at Hawthorne Hills for the 4th early. Need to get the old handicap back in order after a less than stellar early portion of the year. Only 2 rounds in the 70's and currently my highest index in a 3 years. 

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Happy 4th everyone and hope you all have a chance to get out and get after it this short work week! 
 
Onward. 

D-Titleist TSR2 w Mitsubishi Tensei 50g Stiff 

5w-Titleist TSI w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 65g Stiff

HYB-Titleist TSi 21* w/ Mitsubishi Diamana 65g Stiff

Irons-4-PW Toura Golf JCB Japan Forged CB w/ TrueTemper S100 

Wedges - Cleveland RTX ZipCore 52/10 56/12 60/8 w/ TrueTemper T100

Putter - Scotty Cameron GoLo S

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Doubtful we are getting out this evening.... Yet another storm on a Tuesday with more expected for Wednesday. Fingers crossed it lifts for my round on the 4th. 

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5w-Titleist TSI w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 65g Stiff

HYB-Titleist TSi 21* w/ Mitsubishi Diamana 65g Stiff

Irons-4-PW Toura Golf JCB Japan Forged CB w/ TrueTemper S100 

Wedges - Cleveland RTX ZipCore 52/10 56/12 60/8 w/ TrueTemper T100

Putter - Scotty Cameron GoLo S

Ball - Titleist AVX 

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On 7/2/2024 at 9:53 AM, JRDuck40 said:

Doubtful we are getting out this evening.... Yet another storm on a Tuesday with more expected for Wednesday. Fingers crossed it lifts for my round on the 4th. 

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WE somehow were able to sneak in the round last night. Course was a bog. Bunkers = concrete. Greens, slow and sticky. Heck, you didn't even need to wash your ball as there was standing water inside the cup on 4 out of the 9 holes. 

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Yet another lackluster round. Three takeaways from the irons.

1. Again they come off the face so incredibly well.

2. I am starting to use the PW on uphill punch and runs. Loving the bump / bump / check up. Love that I have that shot in the rolodex now. 

3. The lack of offset is life changing compared to the Takomo 101T. My shot shape is much, much more consistent. 

Now to the putting green for some much needed practice. The GoLo is on the short list to be demoted very soon. 

Onward to 6 am tomorrow. 

 

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HYB-Titleist TSi 21* w/ Mitsubishi Diamana 65g Stiff

Irons-4-PW Toura Golf JCB Japan Forged CB w/ TrueTemper S100 

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Putter - Scotty Cameron GoLo S

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On 7/1/2024 at 9:36 AM, JRDuck40 said:

Agree with Stu here. For a customization / heads only option, we did their the cream of the crop. The other @Toura Golf options will perform just as well as the MB or CB options tested. You have to remember, each iron is manufactured by Kyoei Golf Industries in Japan. They are one of the top iron / wedge houses in Japan. Toura is pretty much giving these clubs away for a fraction of the price on the Kyoei site. Ranging from $1500 to $2500 for a set of irons on the Kyoei site VS $500 to $1100 on Toura. 

Great product and cannot recommend it enough. 

https://touragolf.com/

Could not agree more.  I mean, come on, who else has irons that look this good?  Ok, maybe @azstu324, @JRDuck40, and @David Leighton Reid do, but unless you've jumped on the @Toura Golf bandwagon, your clubs are just not this cool!  Now, if I could get more than a couple of minutes of practice time a week to get a little more consistent with these, I'd be even more in love with them, as they do take a lot more work to be "good" with for me than my P7MC (2020 edition) irons do.  However, the Touras are still in the bag, even with the Senior Men's championship coming up in 2 weeks, so we'll see how they perform under stress.  😃

 

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On 7/1/2024 at 1:52 PM, JRDuck40 said:

What a guy that @azstu324

*** QUICK UPDATE ***

Was not able to get out over the weekend due to a garage that was so messy that if I didn't clean it up, I may have sold the house outright. 

Was able to sneak in a range session over lunch. Irons are still silky smooth off the face. It was quite windy  today to mostly just a feel / knock the rust off session. Still working on shot shape and different feel shots. One thing I am very much high on is the workability of the mid irons (specifically 6-8i). I do like to hit a low running 'punch' at times and the turf interaction and crisp feel on the face works great on the 6, 7 and 8 for these types of shots under 125. I also do love the fact that I can keep the flight lower and still have my straight or work a baby cut with each club. Looking forward to this shot type into play in the coming rounds. Have a few scheduled for this week. League night, TENATIVELY for tomorrow. Because, you know it's Tuesday in WI which means rain in the forecast yet again. Have 18 planned at Hawthorne Hills for the 4th early. Need to get the old handicap back in order after a less than stellar early portion of the year. Only 2 rounds in the 70's and currently my highest index in a 3 years. 

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Happy 4th everyone and hope you all have a chance to get out and get after it this short work week! 
 
Onward. 

I feel ya James!  My handicap has been suffering from the incessant spring rainfall that limited my practice time, along with the insanity of my schedule once summer arrived.  

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3 hours ago, ctg44 said:

I feel ya James!  My handicap has been suffering from the incessant spring rainfall that limited my practice time, along with the insanity of my schedule once summer arrived.  

Amen on the HDCP going north. Last round was ROUGH both figuratively and in reality. Or as I like to call it, the "tale of two 9's". image.png.69a2cf607e079a0d467e95ea8cc7dec6.png

Front was brutal. Couldn't get a good feel on greens nor off the tee box. Irons performed well. A few pluses, I am getting a better feel on the greenside workability of chipping with the PW and 9i. Stuck a few very nice and tight on 16 and 17 after arrant shots. 16, approach was knocked down by a low hanging branch on the left side of the FW and 17 was a horrible 6i. Nothing against the clubs in either case, it was user error. Both pitches, 9i pitch on 16, PW pitch on 17 were stuck to roughly 2-3 feet. Tap in par. 

Handicap is currently at a 8.6.... Rounds tentatively scheduled for tonight, Friday and Saturday. I say 'tentatively' as always because Mother Nature has not been kind to us Wisconsinites for 2024. It say's no rain in the forecast currently.... I know to never trust a meteorologist more than 48 hours out. 

Onward.  

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HYB-Titleist TSi 21* w/ Mitsubishi Diamana 65g Stiff

Irons-4-PW Toura Golf JCB Japan Forged CB w/ TrueTemper S100 

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Never thought I'd say this, but I kinda don't mind this forecast:

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We're slated to play 9 at least Friday and probably 18 Saturday and Sunday...hockey ref schedules dependent.  It's hard to balance skating 6-8 times in a weekend and playing (even when riding a cart) when it's 95° and stupid humid still due to all the rain we had this spring leeching back out of the ground.

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9 minutes ago, ctg44 said:

Never thought I'd say this, but I kinda don't mind this forecast:

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We're slated to play 9 at least Friday and probably 18 Saturday and Sunday...hockey ref schedules dependent.  It's hard to balance skating 6-8 times in a weekend and playing (even when riding a cart) when it's 95° and stupid humid still due to all the rain we had this spring leeching back out of the ground.

I'd trade '90s for 100's any day🤣

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Dang @azstu324, that's like playing golf on a parking lot rather than a golf course at that point.  

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1 minute ago, azstu324 said:

I trade '90s for 100's any day🤣

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The humidity between locations makes 105 feel way better than 95. That's a big thing I miss about AZ - low humidity.

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The "fire" reaction seems epically appropriate both here in DFW and for @azstu324 out in Arizona...

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@azstu324 I would explode in 115. I played in Myrtle Beach last Aug in 95+ heat with humidity. I damn near had to burn my clothing. 

@ctg44 super jealous of that forecast. Snag a cart and a hydrate. 

Both of you, enjoy that roll out! I've been lift / clean / place for almost every competitive round this year so far. Zero carry / rollout with anything off the tee. 

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5w-Titleist TSI w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 65g Stiff

HYB-Titleist TSi 21* w/ Mitsubishi Diamana 65g Stiff

Irons-4-PW Toura Golf JCB Japan Forged CB w/ TrueTemper S100 

Wedges - Cleveland RTX ZipCore 52/10 56/12 60/8 w/ TrueTemper T100

Putter - Scotty Cameron GoLo S

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13 minutes ago, JRDuck40 said:

@azstu324 I would explode in 115. I played in Myrtle Beach last Aug in 95+ heat with humidity. I damn near had to burn my clothing. 

@ctg44 super jealous of that forecast. Snag a cart and a hydrate. 

Both of you, enjoy that roll out! I've been lift / clean / place for almost every competitive round this year so far. Zero carry / rollout with anything off the tee. 

Ha ha being a low spin driver in AZ makes me MUCH better than I really am. As soon as it hits the 90's here everyone immediately gains 15 extra yards off the tee lol

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Yet another round in the books. 
@Toura Golf irons performed well. Again, consistent striking, distances and shot shape. Zero complaints. The paint on the shafts is holding up. Only ones that are showing wear are the 7 iron, 9 iron and PW, mainly because I use them so much. I'll be sure to post some additional photos in the coming days.

As for my putter, that is not behaving all that well. You know the old adage from NFL / Football, "If you have more than one quarterback, you don't have one quarterback.". Well, I have 5 putters and I don't have one putter.

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I've been switching between my GoLo S, Studio Design 1.5, Phantom 5.5, TM Rossa (Center Shaft) and an old Ping Anser 2. At this point, I might just steel my kids Bullseye and throw that in the bag and see what happens. If that doesn't work, I may pull a Bob Burns (old PGA pro that when his putting went south, he would leave his putter in the toilet overnight). I will try anything at this point. I may just go to one of the 100s of mini golf tracks around me to reign in my yips at this point. 

2 rounds scheduled for the upcoming weekend. 

Christmans Mtn - The Oaks on Friday - https://christmasmountainvillage.co/the-oaks

Portage Country Club on Saturday - https://portagecc.net/

Onward

D-Titleist TSR2 w Mitsubishi Tensei 50g Stiff 

5w-Titleist TSI w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 65g Stiff

HYB-Titleist TSi 21* w/ Mitsubishi Diamana 65g Stiff

Irons-4-PW Toura Golf JCB Japan Forged CB w/ TrueTemper S100 

Wedges - Cleveland RTX ZipCore 52/10 56/12 60/8 w/ TrueTemper T100

Putter - Scotty Cameron GoLo S

Ball - Titleist AVX 

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2 minutes ago, JRDuck40 said:

Yet another round in the books. 
@Toura Golf irons performed well. Again, consistent striking, distances and shot shape. Zero complaints. The paint on the shafts is holding up. Only ones that are showing wear are the 7 iron, 9 iron and PW, mainly because I use them so much. I'll be sure to post some additional photos in the coming days.

As for my putter, that is not behaving all that well. You know the old adage from NFL / Football, "If you have more than one quarterback, you don't have one quarterback.". Well, I have 5 putters and I don't have one putter.

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I've been switching between my GoLo S, Studio Design 1.5, Phantom 5.5, TM Rossa (Center Shaft) and an old Ping Anser 2. At this point, I might just steel my kids Bullseye and throw that in the bag and see what happens. If that doesn't work, I may pull a Bob Burns (old PGA pro that when his putting went south, he would leave his putter in the toilet overnight). I will try anything at this point. I may just go to one of the 100s of mini golf tracks around me to reign in my yips at this point. 

2 rounds scheduled for the upcoming weekend. 

Christmans Mtn - The Oaks on Friday - https://christmasmountainvillage.co/the-oaks

Portage Country Club on Saturday - https://portagecc.net/

Onward

I hear ya on the putter.  I made the mistake back in late May of playing around with putters at PGA Superstore while waiting for a practice bay to open up on one of those rainy weekends, and while the Bettanardi I was using was a carbon copy of my gamer (Sik C Series DW 2.0), I then compounded it by taking my old Scotty Cameron Newport Studio Style (2006 version) and using it for a round of 79 a few weeks ago.  That's been followed up by rounds of 90, 87, 83, 86, 83, etc...and the handicap going from 5.0 back up to 6.0...

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42 minutes ago, ctg44 said:

I hear ya on the putter.  I made the mistake back in late May of playing around with putters at PGA Superstore while waiting for a practice bay to open up on one of those rainy weekends, and while the Bettanardi I was using was a carbon copy of my gamer (Sik C Series DW 2.0), I then compounded it by taking my old Scotty Cameron Newport Studio Style (2006 version) and using it for a round of 79 a few weeks ago.  That's been followed up by rounds of 90, 87, 83, 86, 83, etc...and the handicap going from 5.0 back up to 6.0...

Holding at an 8.6... But as you can see, the trend is not ideal. 

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I'm really going to put in the work and spend time on the putting greens the next few days. Just need to get the feel back. The back 9 for my round on the 4th was much more in line with what I am used to. Solid iron play with consistent chipping / putting. Just could not get things rolling last night. 4 - 3 putts, that is inexcusable. 

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I mean, SwingU says I'm basically a PGA tour pro at putting, BUT, it doesn't necessarily feel like that because I still shot 83 overall on a course I should be able to break 80 on fairly easily since the yardage is only about 6,300 from the blue tees from which I was playing. Note that this round was my 1st going back to my Sik putter, which obviously, works pretty well for me:

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Here are my stats for my round in which I shot 90 last week after being on vacation for a week and in which I used my Scotty Cameron...needless to say, the driver was pretty much MIA and the @Toura Golf irons weren't a ton of help either (might have been the week of walking around Boston not touching a golf club that was the real culprit though):

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Going back about 8-10 rounds to June 7th, I only counted three (3) total 3-putts, so that at least is good for me.  Now, I have to decide if I can afford a $600+ driver because the stats show that my Epic Flash is costing me WAY too many strokes per round and probably contributing heavily to the negative strokes gained approach by leaving me in bad spots off the tee way too often.  I guess I just need to suck it up and find an outdoor fitting for the new Titleist GT drivers at one of the local Invited clubs (since I don't have to pay a fee for those) and sign up to get that done.  

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54 minutes ago, ctg44 said:

I mean, SwingU says I'm basically a PGA tour pro at putting, BUT, it doesn't necessarily feel like that because I still shot 83 overall on a course I should be able to break 80 on fairly easily since the yardage is only about 6,300 from the blue tees from which I was playing. Note that this round was my 1st going back to my Sik putter, which obviously, works pretty well for me:

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Here are my stats for my round in which I shot 90 last week after being on vacation for a week and in which I used my Scotty Cameron...needless to say, the driver was pretty much MIA and the @Toura Golf irons weren't a ton of help either (might have been the week of walking around Boston not touching a golf club that was the real culprit though):

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Going back about 8-10 rounds to June 7th, I only counted three (3) total 3-putts, so that at least is good for me.  Now, I have to decide if I can afford a $600+ driver because the stats show that my Epic Flash is costing me WAY too many strokes per round and probably contributing heavily to the negative strokes gained approach by leaving me in bad spots off the tee way too often.  I guess I just need to suck it up and find an outdoor fitting for the new Titleist GT drivers at one of the local Invited clubs (since I don't have to pay a fee for those) and sign up to get that done.  

I will tell you the same exact thing I tell anyone that say's, "I need a new driver." If it ain't 10+ years old, take the $$$ you were going to spend and invest in lessons. If you still don't see that gains / improvement in dispersion / yardage gained, then start looking at new driver. 

On the same topic, if you are looking a new, be sure to give a model year or two old a fair shake. When I was fitted for my TSR I tried out 2-3 model years from Ping, Callaway, Miz, TM, Sirxon... etc. It was damn near a coin flip with the TSR vs Sim 2 Max. Decided on the TSR2. Just food for thought and it might save you a crap load of cash. 

 

D-Titleist TSR2 w Mitsubishi Tensei 50g Stiff 

5w-Titleist TSI w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 65g Stiff

HYB-Titleist TSi 21* w/ Mitsubishi Diamana 65g Stiff

Irons-4-PW Toura Golf JCB Japan Forged CB w/ TrueTemper S100 

Wedges - Cleveland RTX ZipCore 52/10 56/12 60/8 w/ TrueTemper T100

Putter - Scotty Cameron GoLo S

Ball - Titleist AVX 

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1 hour ago, JRDuck40 said:

I will tell you the same exact thing I tell anyone that say's, "I need a new driver." If it ain't 10+ years old, take the $$$ you were going to spend and invest in lessons. If you still don't see that gains / improvement in dispersion / yardage gained, then start looking at new driver. 

On the same topic, if you are looking a new, be sure to give a model year or two old a fair shake. When I was fitted for my TSR I tried out 2-3 model years from Ping, Callaway, Miz, TM, Sirxon... etc. It was damn near a coin flip with the TSR vs Sim 2 Max. Decided on the TSR2. Just food for thought and it might save you a crap load of cash. 

 

I've been through numerous fittings and haven't settled on one, so I do understand your point.  Unfortunately, as time goes on, my spin rates are becoming more and more problematic (like 3200 RPMs with a short / tipped shaft), even as my iron and wedge play has been slightly improving along with my swing speed.  I struggle mightily to keep the launch angle down in the windy conditions here, even with my 8.5° head set to 7.5°, and the spin rates being off the charts only exacerbates that.  I have had multiple fittings the past few years, and nothing has beaten the Epic Flash yet...but it's been so bad this spring / summer as far as spin / distance loss that something has to give.  I mean, I'm 50, and using a 70 gram TX shaft tipped 1" (Tensei White), and still generate too much spin...However, putting a Ventus Black VeloCore 7X alone into my driver isn't a solution, as I've tried my son's shaft and it's not helped.

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Just now, ctg44 said:

I've been through numerous fittings and haven't settled on one, so I do understand your point.  Unfortunately, as time goes on, my spin rates are becoming more and more problematic (like 3200 RPMs with a short / tipped shaft), even as my iron and wedge play has been slightly improving along with my swing speed.  I struggle mightily to keep the launch angle down in the windy conditions here, even with my 8.5° head set to 7.5°, and the spin rates being off the charts only exacerbates that.  I have had multiple fittings the past few years, and nothing has beaten the Epic Flash yet...but it's been so bad this spring / summer as far as spin / distance loss that something has to give.  I mean, I'm 50, and using a 70 gram TX shaft tipped 1" (Tensei White), and still generate too much spin...However, putting a Ventus Black VeloCore 7X alone into my driver isn't a solution, as I've tried my son's shaft and it's not helped.

Also, I played a round with our club's player development (teaching) pro a few weeks ago, and his thoughts were the same as mine...the driver was generating too much spin for the swings I was putting into it.  He had been looking to get out on the course, and we had the 1st tee time of the morning 1 day and asked if he could join us, and I was happy to have him along as he's a great guy.  About the only thing he wanted me to change was my chipping, which of course, always sucks...

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32 minutes ago, ctg44 said:

I've been through numerous fittings and haven't settled on one, so I do understand your point.  Unfortunately, as time goes on, my spin rates are becoming more and more problematic (like 3200 RPMs with a short / tipped shaft), even as my iron and wedge play has been slightly improving along with my swing speed.  I struggle mightily to keep the launch angle down in the windy conditions here, even with my 8.5° head set to 7.5°, and the spin rates being off the charts only exacerbates that.  I have had multiple fittings the past few years, and nothing has beaten the Epic Flash yet...but it's been so bad this spring / summer as far as spin / distance loss that something has to give.  I mean, I'm 50, and using a 70 gram TX shaft tipped 1" (Tensei White), and still generate too much spin...However, putting a Ventus Black VeloCore 7X alone into my driver isn't a solution, as I've tried my son's shaft and it's not helped.

You ever do any AOA work? I've always been a very low spin driver player. Sometimes too low and I have to use a more spinny golf ball just to stay in the high 1900's to low 2k's AND I use a pretty whippy shaft. My angle of attack is about +4-5°. My understanding is that a negative angle and lower lofted head can accentuate the gear effect of the ball rolling up the face. 

Not saying that this is what's going on but it's one of the typical causes for higher spin. 

 

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:cobra-small:  F6 3 Wood 14* / Kuro Kage Silver 65X
:cobra-small: F8 6 wood 20* / Fujikura MotoreX F3 6S

:cobra-small: RADSpeed Hybrid 24*
post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411_thumb.jpg TS1 4-GW / FCM Precision 6.5 Rifle
post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411_thumb.jpg  TSW Wedge - 56/12
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On 7/11/2024 at 9:39 AM, azstu324 said:

You ever do any AOA work? I've always been a very low spin driver player. Sometimes too low and I have to use a more spinny golf ball just to stay in the high 1900's to low 2k's AND I use a pretty whippy shaft. My angle of attack is about +4-5°. My understanding is that a negative angle and lower lofted head can accentuate the gear effect of the ball rolling up the face. 

Not saying that this is what's going on but it's one of the typical causes for higher spin. 

 

It's more my problem is that I have terrible consistency with my delivery of the club to the ball...on Monday, I was bored after work and since my wife was out of town for work, I went to the PGA Superstore and played a couple of rounds on the simulator there.  I could tell that not only was the simulator saying I was hitting the driver beautifully (Rory McIlroy-like apexes with tiny little fades at 300+ yards right where I was aimed), but the driver FELT good too.  I got on the course yesterday to play 9 holes after work and felt fairly warmed up, hit a nice drive on #1 to something like 110 yards on a dogleg par 5 (with the wind and from the blue tees we'll be playing in the senior championships this week because I'm old enough now to play in it...boo!).  After that, there isn't a chance to use the driver until #7, and my ball there was pretty good...about 275 into the wind and in a decent spot (actually a little longer than I'd hoped for, but not bad), but on 9, which is the only other spot on the front 9 where you can hit driver on that course, I put not 1 but 2 balls out of play with snap hooks...after not seeing a single 1 of those with any club all day or at all on like 200 balls Monday night.  I have like 30 grams of weight between the heavier Billy Bob's Golf slider weight (19g vs. 13 g stock) and a lot of tungsten tape on my driver trying to slow the head down, and it has a tipped (1") Tensei White AV 70 gram TX shaft, and I STILL somehow manage to occasionally get that head out in front of my hands to give me that high bomb of a hook 3 streets over to the left.

 

Let's just say I have no issues w/ spin.  On average, my driver is producing 3,200 RPM on a fade shot and 3,000 on a slight draw.  Even on a snap hook, it's in the 2,600-2,700 range.  I tried an AiSmoke Triple Diamond on a Trackman and was still getting in the 2,200+ range w/ a Ventus 7X shaft and an 8* head...the 9* head was right back up in the 2,500+ range....the max heads were over 3,000 RPM, and the Callaway fitter was shocked at how much spin I had on my driver from what was a relatively flat swing plane.  Then he learned I was a hockey player, and guessed that my strong left hand (also the top hand on my hockey stick) combined with my gargantuan calves (Phil Mickelson would be jealous) were combining to create a huge amount of torque as I came through the ball and right at impact I was basically ripping right under the ball like it was a wedge.  My son does much the same thing, but has better hands, so he controls it a lot better...and thus hits his driver in the fairway like 320 with shocking regularity (but man, if he gets spinny / sideways with it, watch out for it, as it's GONE).

Thought I'd also post an update on the @Toura Golf CB irons.  I have the Men's Senior Championship this weekend.  As our turf has turned harder as the rain stopped and DFW becomes it's normal summer crematorium-level hot, I've really struggled to get the leading edge of the Touras through the ground more than I am with my P7MCs.  It's a 50/50 toss-up right now whether I bag the Touras or P7MCs Saturday morning.  On 1 hand, the Touras feel great, spin far better, and give me stopping power on greens which have become VERY hard now that the sun has come out in full force for an extended period in July.  On the other, the P7MCs are more consistent with their turf interaction, and I am able to more regularly deliver the clubhead to the ball in the center of the face from various different lies.  Soooo, we'll see.  Tonight is going to be some short game and putting practice, and then I'll get some iron practice in on Thursday evening.  I work some hockey games Friday night, so I probably won't get to the club to practice at all other than maybe some short game...

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For anyone who's been following this testing, @Toura Golf has a sale on their irons right now:

The CBs (the ones @JRDuck40, @David Leighton Reid, and I tested) are down to $700 a set (4-PW head-only) in the raw carbon steel (what @JRDuck40 and I have) and chrome blank (what @David Leighton Reid has), along with the chrome w/ the Toura insignia version:  https://touragolf.com/shop-all/ols/products/blank-tg-japan-mb-irons-black-bln-tg-mb-rns1/v/BLN-TG-MB-RNS1-RGH-HND3

@Toura Golf will also build you a set of their beautiful irons for $925-965 TOTAL, depending on which shaft and ferrule options you select.  Given a set of decent irons from most DTC companies these days is over that, and major brands are much higher, that's a great price, especially when you consider that you're likely to be able to quickly get answers from the company leadership at @Toura Golf if you have issues.

The blank Kyoei KCM Cut Japan Forged MB that @azstu324 tested are also on sale for $700 in a raw finish for a 4-PW head-only set.  The built club prices for the MBs are the same as the CB irons as far as I can tell.  Also, the MBs and the CBs are from the Kyoei foundry, which if you haven't read about in our thread, you should:   

There are tons of other club options available too, like wedges, individual irons, etc., on their shopping page:

https://touragolf.com/shop-all

I'm kind of tempted by the totally blank / raw wedge heads myself...but then again I have a wedge hoarding problem because I can't currently chip or pitch to save my life, so that's just a personal issue that I should probably work on with some practice before I buy another set of wedges...🤣

 

They also have a couple of gorgeous putters, a couple of different types of irons, and well, all kinds of different stuff that would make me A) go broke and B) drive my wife to divorce me if I went full bore with the "add to cart" function...

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This is a great review of the Toura Golf CB's by Gabe at LetsPlayThru that I may or may not have had anything to do with 😉. Let's call it the cherry on top of all of our reviews. 

 

 

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post-76102-0-38507100-1525284411_thumb.jpg TS1 4-GW / FCM Precision 6.5 Rifle
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Well, after a bad day on Saturday where I shot 7-8 shots worse than I normally do on our Oak course from one tee further forward than I normally play from, I decided to give the Toura CBs another shot on Sunday's round.  I can't blame the Touras for my worst posted score in 5 years (100....yeah, brutal), as most of that was bad wedge play and bad putting in heavy rain and wind, along with my driver taking about 5 of the 9 holes it's normally able to be used on off (whereas I was firing bombs with that at least on Saturday).  Long story short, playing in rain gear + heavy rain + wind + 3" Bermuda rough are a bad combo and I really (REALLY) sucked yesterday.  I probably should have just played w/o the rain jacket and dealt with being wet as it was a big issue on the some of the holes I had issues getting out of the deep Bermuda rough or putting well.  I plan to get some practice time in this week, as I'm NOT happy about where my game is right now.  I am going to leave the P7MCs in the box in the garage for a while and really focus on the Touras.  Even though they don't go as far as I'd like each club to go, I don't really have any gaps from my wedges up through my driving iron and 3W with them.  I am considering changing out the shafts to either a lighter x-stiff steel shaft, or maybe seeing if I can find a deal on some used x-stiff graphite shafts to test with these, as I've started to redevelop some elbow pain after hurting both of them a little bit at work.  I need to practice more to get rid of some of the ongoing issues with my golf game that are making it a lot less fun right now (especially since range time is normally my stress relief time anyway), but after re-injuring my elbows a bit (strained forearm and triceps muscles), the elbow pain isn't going away anytime soon unless I quit playing golf, and we all know THAT isn't going to happen! 😜

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On 7/18/2024 at 1:40 PM, azstu324 said:

This is a great review of the Toura Golf CB's by Gabe at LetsPlayThru that I may or may not have had anything to do with 😉. Let's call it the cherry on top of all of our reviews. 

 

 

Watched a little of that before I had to go lead a training session.  Great work getting the info out there Stu!

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