TaylorMade P-Series and Hi-Toe 4 Wedges - 2024 Forum Review

[Medfloat]

43 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I've got my fitting scheduled for Friday afternoon at a TM master fitter location.  

I am very curious to see how a graphite shaft will perform during the fitting process and if it will win out over steel.  I use a 120g PX LZ 6.0 steel shaft in my irons now.  I think the graphite shaft stiffness will be similar and but wonder how my swing will react to a much lighter shaft and the particular 'feel' that brings to the table.

I will get some pics and video tomorrow for the Intro post and have that up by Thurs.

 

Looks like someone is gunna start the weekend out with a bang!  Enjoy your journey, I am sure well will too

[Rob Person]

Wtg testers!  This should be a fantastic group!

[Lefty11]

Congrats testers!  This will be exciting!  

[Shapotomous]

Today I texted a friend of mine that has a nice simulator set up in his basement that I was going to need some launch monitor time for comparison data and also have him swing some clubs to get his impressions.  I left him hanging on what irons were coming my way as a teaser.  He didnt care.....He texts back that he had a fitting last week and ordered new irons that arrived today!  Oh yeah?!?!, what did you get I asked.....He texts back.... TM P-7CB's !!   

So we will have dueling P-7CB launch monitor sessions in the near future!  The great news is that it took less than a week for him to get his set, his fitting was last Thurs.

He spent the next hour sending me screen shots of his data for different irons.

[chisag]

On 9/3/2024 at 9:44 AM, GolfSpy_KFT said:

Congrats to all testers! I love the look of the 770s. Didn't hit them overly well at a demo day a couple weeks ago, so I'm probably more in line with the 790s. Doesn't mean I won't revisit them down the line. Definitely going to be a fun test to follow!

 

... I couldn't resist the pull of the Dark Side so I sold my T200's and ordered P770 5-pw with Steelfiber i80 shafts. I will now have an almost all Taylor Made bag with the exception of a Ping hybrid and EVNRoll putter. 

[LeakyValve]

@Shapotomous that couldn't be any better. Couple winter round match plays could be real fun 

[Leonvdwesthuizen]

Congratulations testers!

What an opportunity you have, do your best and make us proud!

We'll be following your journey.

[Indy_Oz]

On 9/4/2024 at 8:55 PM, Shapotomous said:

Today I texted a friend of mine that has a nice simulator set up in his basement that I was going to need some launch monitor time for comparison data and also have him swing some clubs to get his impressions.  I left him hanging on what irons were coming my way as a teaser.  He didnt care.....He texts back that he had a fitting last week and ordered new irons that arrived today!  Oh yeah?!?!, what did you get I asked.....He texts back.... TM P-7CB's !!   

So we will have dueling P-7CB launch monitor sessions in the near future!  The great news is that it took less than a week for him to get his set, his fitting was last Thurs.

He spent the next hour sending me screen shots of his data for different irons.

That's very cool! Nice coincidence on the iron model - should be a fun comparison/ competition between you guys.

 

Edited September 6 by Indy_Oz

[Indy_Oz]

Intro added to post on the first page, here: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/66519-testers-announced-taylormade-p-series-and-hi-toe-4-wedges/?do=findComment&comment=1120096

 

[LeakyValve]

Had my fitting tonight. Man that was something else. Hit a lot of different shafts and lie angles to find something that works. My fitter was kind enough to let me record basically the whole thing so I'm going to break it down a bit for my unboxing video. I'll try and crunch all my data tonight and get a post together talking about the fitting in its entirety tomorrow as well. 

 

[Shapotomous]

Fitting Day today!  I took a few slow motion stretching type swings with the weighted club when i had the dog outside and the back feels real good!!

[Byrnzee]

Finally got my introduction up! Go take a read and let me know what you think. Excited to get this process going!

Edited September 6 by Byrnzee

[LeakyValve]

Random no context video from my fitting. After you start the video. Zoom in on the back cow head marker. It's really tough to see but we had a ball land directly on top of it. Needless to say we had something brewing with this set up. 

[Byrnzee]

3 minutes ago, LeakyValve said:

 

Random no context video from my fitting. After you start the video. Zoom in on the back cow head marker. It's really tough to see but we had a ball land directly on top of it. Needless to say we had something brewing with this set up. 

That's unbelievable @LeakyValve! Love the "fantastic, I'll take fourteen of 'em" reference too

[LeakyValve]

Okay a little "Good Morning Friday" Tech Talk for the 2024 P-770S!!

For 2024 Taylormade has refined the shape of the P-770 to make the top line even thinner, the head size more compact, and the leading edge a bit more aggressive for better turf interaction. I do believe Taylormade is trying to give P-770 it's own identity as a forgiving players iron, to get it out of the solar eclipse that is the P-790. As someone who notoriously digs beaver pelts with the short irons I'm curious how the leading edge will play out in the longer irons. Hopefully not chunky shot after shot. 

 (My fitter Mark talking about the whole Players (P) series line)

The head construction is a hollow body made of stainless steel married together with a forged 4140 steel face. Combined with Speed Foam Air, Taylormade claims this is supposed to make the club have a forged feel and sound with some added distance and forgiveness from face flexion. Speed Foam Air is the 2nd gen of the tech, and is 69% less dense than gen 1. This allows for better weight distribution with the use of tungsten weights. 

 (Confirmed how the head is made. Finally!)

Speaking of weight distribution, Taylormade’s FLTD (flighted) CG is designed to get the ball higher in the air on the longer irons (3-7) by moving the Centre of Gravity lower in the club. The CG is then raised for a more flighted, better spinning ball in the scoring irons (8-AW). 

FLTD CG along with the ever popular Speed Pocket on the long irons should help golfers who hit balls low on the face, by allowing the face to flex more (speed pocket) so that distance is maintained on those low centre strikes. 

Personally I'm excited for a few things and worried about a few things too. 

Excited for the Speed Pocket and FLTD CG as I really do have that miss in the bag. Having that bit of help on miss hits from a distance should help me carry more bunkers or water hazards going into greens. I'm really curious to see the other end of the FLTD CG in the scoring irons. I can spin the ball well, but my shots are usually pretty high. Hopefully I can get a bit more of a piercing shot angle with some stoppage on the greens. 

I'm also worried about both of pieces of tech in the same breathe. What worries me is the gapping I'll end up having between the 7 and 8 irons. Hopefully this can get sorted during my fitting so that I have a consistent gap between all the irons but I would hate to catch hot ones with the 7 iron and over shoot greens, then be short with the 8 iron because I feel like it will go longer than it does. 

What do you think of the updated look and refined tech in this years model?

 

[ManBeard]

42 minutes ago, LeakyValve said:

Okay a little "Good Morning Friday" Tech Talk for the 2024 P-770S!!

For 2024 Taylormade has refined the shape of the P-770 to make the top line even thinner, the head size more compact, and the leading edge a bit more aggressive for better turf interaction. I do believe Taylormade is trying to give P-770 it's own identity as a forgiving players iron, to get it out of the solar eclipse that is the P-790. As someone who notoriously digs beaver pelts with the short irons I'm curious how the leading edge will play out in the longer irons. Hopefully not chunky shot after shot. 

 

 (My fitter Mark talking about the whole Players (P) series line)

The head construction is a hollow body made of stainless steel married together with a forged 4140 steel face. Combined with Speed Foam Air, Taylormade claims this is supposed to make the club have a forged feel and sound with some added distance and forgiveness from face flexion. Speed Foam Air is the 2nd gen of the tech, and is 69% less dense than gen 1. This allows for better weight distribution with the use of tungsten weights. 

 

 (Confirmed how the head is made. Finally!)

Speaking of weight distribution, Taylormade’s FLTD (flighted) CG is designed to get the ball higher in the air on the longer irons (3-7) by moving the Centre of Gravity lower in the club. The CG is then raised for a more flighted, better spinning ball in the scoring irons (8-AW). 

FLTD CG along with the ever popular Speed Pocket on the long irons should help golfers who hit balls low on the face, by allowing the face to flex more (speed pocket) so that distance is maintained on those low centre strikes. 

Personally I'm excited for a few things and worried about a few things too. 

Excited for the Speed Pocket and FLTD CG as I really do have that miss in the bag. Having that bit of help on miss hits from a distance should help me carry more bunkers or water hazards going into greens. I'm really curious to see the other end of the FLTD CG in the scoring irons. I can spin the ball well, but my shots are usually pretty high. Hopefully I can get a bit more of a piercing shot angle with some stoppage on the greens. 

I'm also worried about both of pieces of tech in the same breathe. What worries me is the gapping I'll end up having between the 7 and 8 irons. Hopefully this can get sorted during my fitting so that I have a consistent gap between all the irons but I would hate to catch hot ones with the 7 iron and over shoot greens, then be short with the 8 iron because I feel like it will go longer than it does. 

What do you think of the updated look and refined tech in this years model?

 

Great info! Fitter sounds very knowledgeable as well. 

 

As for your concern about the speed foam tech, I can speak a little bit on it. My current gamers are the 2017/18 P760s. They utilize the speed foam technology as well. With the first gen stuff I.e my set up, you can get a couple fliers/hot ones, but I don't ever really feel penalized when it happens. My understanding of the update gen I.e your set up, is they worked to try and eliminate that from happening. 

I believe it was more common of an issue, or more penalizing on the p 790s, more so then the players distance line up. 

As for gapping, I would assume your fitter will correct any issues between your 7 and 8 if you do end up having a problem in distances. Honestly any hot shots that may happen are so rare you shouldn't have to worry about it for gapping/ loft changes!

 

 

[LeakyValve]

@ManBeard excellent insight. I didn't feel like I got any "hot ones" during the fitting. Sadly my fitter only had the 7 iron and we weren't able to look at more for gapping. Something I'll probably make note of for my final review. 

Once the irons show up I'll be getting inside to get the gapping numbers to see where I need to make changes. Hopefully none!!

 

[Byrnzee]

Really cool window into your fitting experience @LeakyValve. Seems like your fitter was very knowledgeable and it's cool to hear the differences between the whole P line and what went into the design. Beautiful looking clubs!

[GolfSpy_BOS]

@Indy_Oz and @LeakyValve... as our P770 testers I just wanted to say sorry, but I'm going to need to block you two for the next 2 months or so.

 

Nothing personal, just don't need any additional temptation to go try these.  Thanks gents. 

[GolfSpy_BEN]

Just now, GolfSpy BOS said:

@Indy_Oz and @LeakyValve... as our P770 testers I just wanted to say sorry, but I'm going to need to block you two for the next 2 months or so.

 

Nothing personal, just don't need any additional temptation to go try these.  Thanks gents. 

No harm in trying them...

[chisag]

2 minutes ago, GolfSpy BOS said:

@Indy_Oz and @LeakyValve... as our P770 testers I just wanted to say sorry, but I'm going to need to block you two for the next 2 months or so.

Nothing personal, just don't need any additional temptation to go try these.  Thanks gents. 

 

... Good idea. You can just read my posts since my P770's should be here next week.  

[GolfSpy_BOS]

2 minutes ago, GolfSpy_BEN said:

No harm in trying them...

 

Just now, chisag said:

 

... Good idea. You can just read my posts since my P770's should be here next week.  

Blocked and Blocked... there we go.

 

Hey wait... @chisag how did you get un-blocked in the first place!? 

[chisag]

2 hours ago, LeakyValve said:

Excited for the Speed Pocket and FLTD CG as I really do have that miss in the bag. Having that bit of help on miss hits from a distance should help me carry more bunkers or water hazards going into greens. I'm really curious to see the other end of the FLTD CG in the scoring irons. I can spin the ball well, but my shots are usually pretty high. Hopefully I can get a bit more of a piercing shot angle with some stoppage on the greens. 

I'm also worried about both of pieces of tech in the same breathe. What worries me is the gapping I'll end up having between the 7 and 8 irons. Hopefully this can get sorted during my fitting so that I have a consistent gap between all the irons but I would hate to catch hot ones with the 7 iron and over shoot greens, then be short with the 8 iron because I feel like it will go longer than it does. 

What do you think of the updated look and refined tech in this years model?

 

... Haha obviously I love the look and refined tech of the P770's because I ordered a set.  Having previously played P790's and P770's the FLTD is not a night and day difference between the slotted mid/long irons and scoring short irons. Being hollow headed, there is slightly more variance than solid players irons as most all of them employ this technique to some degree and it is just the degree of marketing that some proudly declare on the websites. So slightly lower and slightly more piercing is what you should expect because that is what a good players short iron calls for.

... That said, we are all different but judging from your very nice swing I expect your experience will be similar to mine. Then again, maybe not and this is why MGS has their amazing testing program for members. We all learn so much from every one of them and I am looking forward to yours and everyone else's with this test.  

[chisag]

2 hours ago, ManBeard said:

As for your concern about the speed foam tech, I can speak a little bit on it. My current gamers are the 2017/18 P760s. They utilize the speed foam technology as well. With the first gen stuff I.e my set up, you can get a couple fliers/hot ones, but I don't ever really feel penalized when it happens. My understanding of the update gen I.e your set up, is they worked to try and eliminate that from happening. 

I believe it was more common of an issue, or more penalizing on the p 790s, more so then the players distance line up. 

As for gapping, I would assume your fitter will correct any issues between your 7 and 8 if you do end up having a problem in distances. Honestly any hot shots that may happen are so rare you shouldn't have to worry about it for gapping/ loft changes!

 

... Hot Spots were/are an internet sensation right? The original hollow headed irons seemed to have more of a hot spot, especially with higher swing speeds that hit a little high on the face and reduced spin but more often than not, it was just perfectly centered contact. Conventional wisdom says with hollow heads you lose up to 3-5yds when you miss the center by 1/4" which even for better players is very common as is missing by 1/2" and losing 6-10yds. And that doesn't take into account quality of swing so when you combine your best swing with dead center contact the ball is going to go farther. We see PGA Pro's do the same with a MB so perfect swing and dead center contact will always go a little farther, just more so with a flexible face in a hollow head. 

... I don't think longer shots from center contact  has been lessened by current hollow headed Players irons but they have made strides in reducing the distance lost on mishits so now there is a smaller difference. And of course the faster you swing the greater the difference. Reading someone complain about a P790 hot spot when their 7 iron going 230 instead of 215   it is pretty obvious that flexible faced head isn't designed for that kind of swing speed so that perfect swing/contact is like a mini driver in their hands. Those of us in the normal and average golfer distance wise that hit a 7 iron 135-165 just won't see that kind of difference between a slight mis hit and a perfectly struck shot. 

[LeakyValve]

2 hours ago, chisag said:

That said, we are all different but judging from your very nice swing I expect your experience will be similar to mine.

I will try my best to live up to these "very nice swing" comments aha. 

Thank you!!

[Shapotomous]

Teaser.....

[Indy_Oz]

My fitting was yesterday pm. Really great experience and the best fitting I've had to date. First time using this particular fitter, but local reputation and recommendations along with this inside-outside setup sold me...

The ability to watch the ball flight and capture launch monitor data to review the full data set is very cool. This facility is at the opposite end of the driving range from the clubhouse. I've not measured how far away this is from the usual range spots, but I do wonder if a really long hitter could get close. Ha ha

Fitting process write up almost done and will be added to my main post later this evening with final specs for my P770s.

@GolfSpy BOS- I'll be sure to tag you...

[funkyjudge]

2 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... Hot Spots were/are an internet sensation right? The original hollow headed irons seemed to have more of a hot spot, especially with higher swing speeds that hit a little high on the face and reduced spin but more often than not, it was just perfectly centered contact. Conventional wisdom says with hollow heads you lose up to 3-5yds when you miss the center by 1/4" which even for better players is very common as is missing by 1/2" and losing 6-10yds. And that doesn't take into account quality of swing so when you combine your best swing with dead center contact the ball is going to go farther. We see PGA Pro's do the same with a MB so perfect swing and dead center contact will always go a little farther, just more so with a flexible face in a hollow head. 

... I don't think longer shots from center contact  has been lessened by current hollow headed Players irons but they have made strides in reducing the distance lost on mishits so now there is a smaller difference. And of course the faster you swing the greater the difference. Reading someone complain about a P790 hot spot when their 7 iron going 230 instead of 215   it is pretty obvious that flexible faced head isn't designed for that kind of swing speed so that perfect swing/contact is like a mini driver in their hands. Those of us in the normal and average golfer distance wise that hit a 7 iron 135-165 just won't see that kind of difference between a slight mis hit and a perfectly struck shot. 

In my experience, the hollow headed irons without any foam or “goo” inside of the heads are much more prone to “hot spots” than those with the injected polymers/foam in them.

[Indy_Oz]

2 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... Hot Spots were/are an internet sensation right? The original hollow headed irons seemed to have more of a hot spot, especially with higher swing speeds that hit a little high on the face and reduced spin but more often than not, it was just perfectly centered contact. Conventional wisdom says with hollow heads you lose up to 3-5yds when you miss the center by 1/4" which even for better players is very common as is missing by 1/2" and losing 6-10yds. And that doesn't take into account quality of swing so when you combine your best swing with dead center contact the ball is going to go farther. We see PGA Pro's do the same with a MB so perfect swing and dead center contact will always go a little farther, just more so with a flexible face in a hollow head. 

... I don't think longer shots from center contact  has been lessened by current hollow headed Players irons but they have made strides in reducing the distance lost on mishits so now there is a smaller difference. And of course the faster you swing the greater the difference. Reading someone complain about a P790 hot spot when their 7 iron going 230 instead of 215   it is pretty obvious that flexible faced head isn't designed for that kind of swing speed so that perfect swing/contact is like a mini driver in their hands. Those of us in the normal and average golfer distance wise that hit a 7 iron 135-165 just won't see that kind of difference between a slight mis hit and a perfectly struck shot. 

I don't hit my 7-iron as far as that (ave 93mph/ ~176yd carry with the new P770, give or take), but I see a big front to back dispersion and did during my fitting. 26 yards front to back including the mishits. The faces in the old P790s (mine are from 2017) seem to 'trampoline' more for higher impacts than the P770s do. Aging of the face over the years of abuse may well play a part. Impacts higher, more central, on the face will be lower spin without losing speed and clearly that will help carry a little further, like flyers from balls sitting up in rough. I hit a few slightly higher with the new P770 (on low tees) and didn't see more than a couple of yards difference. New stiffer face may be helping control the 'hot' shots more than an old face.

My fitter did agree that a combo set with CBs in 8-P could be the real sweet spot for these P-series (if you can hit the CBs consistently well). I'm more than content playing a full set of these P770s to see how the short irons perform. I don't think the clubs are going to be the limiting factor with my shotting. Ha ha

Edited September 6 by Indy_Oz

[GolfSpy_BOS]

7 minutes ago, Indy_Oz said:

My fitting was yesterday pm. Really great experience and the best fitting I've had to date. First time using this particular fitter, but local reputation and recommendations along with this inside-outside setup sold me...

The ability to watch the ball flight and capture launch monitor data to review the full data set is very cool. This facility is at the opposite end of the driving range from the clubhouse. I've not measured how far away this is from the usual range spots, but I do wonder if a really long hitter could get close. Ha ha

Fitting process write up almost done and will be added to my main post later this evening with final specs for my P770s.

@GolfSpy BOS- I'll be sure to tag you...

yeah yeah yeah... I was already looking to see if GG or PGASS near me was holding a Taylormade event soon... nothing yet. haha  Although I should just be able to go ask to hit them in the bay since they are available now.

More on topic, I love fitting like that.  See the ball flight and get normalized numbers as well.  best of both worlds.  Looks like a decent turf to hit off of too.