Renegar Wedges Arrived Today

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[KCLeo12]

Sounds like an awesome start to a review. I know once you get them in play they will stay in the bag. I have 7 rounds with my RX12s and they are very impressive.

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Stu,

What are the bounces on the Renagars? I know the bounces aren't listed on the clubs, but can you measure the bounce angles on that fancy machine of yours?

[Mr_Theoo]

Any pictures?!

[BIG STU]

Stu,

What are the bounces on the Renagars? I know the bounces aren't listed on the clubs, but can you measure the bounce angles on that fancy machine of yours?

From what I can determine there is no "set" bounce on those wedges. From messing with them on my surface plate on the work bench I can see varying bounces with different face positions. I actually like the part when at neutral the leading edge is closer than anything I have except the modified 60. I can't measure bounce on my loft and lie machine but I do have a set of Maltby Triangle gauges that are inexpensive I can do bounce the old fashioned way by protractor and straight edge and then compute it just like geometry or trig in high school but I have gotten lazy in my old age and do it the easy way. I think and this is just conjecture they are not worried about a certain degree of bounce but what you call effective or working bounce in different positions

[BIG STU]

Any pictures?!

I am working earnestly on that--- I just got a Galaxy 6 hemmoroid phone I mean android phone 2 weeks ago. I am still learning it. It is a long way from my old 8 year old flip phone. My Pastor said Monday night---" You came a long way in a hurry what you are doing is like going from a bicycle to a fast sport bike" You have known me long enough to know I am not a high tech Redneck----yet

[BIG STU]

Sounds like an awesome start to a review. I know once you get them in play they will stay in the bag. I have 7 rounds with my RX12s and they are very impressive.

Yep I got the lab work done and the comparisons set and I know what I am working with. Just waiting for the weather to clear so I can get to the course next week. We have a tropical storm coming in and we have had rain on and off for a week now. I am really anxious to get to real testing.

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From what I can determine there is no "set" bounce on those wedges. From messing with them on my surface plate on the work bench I can see varying bounces with different face positions. I actually like the part when at neutral the leading edge is closer than anything I have except the modified 60. I can't measure bounce on my loft and lie machine but I do have a set of Maltby Triangle gauges that are inexpensive I can do bounce the old fashioned way by protractor and straight edge and then compute it just like geometry or trig in high school but I have gotten lazy in my old age and do it the easy way. I think and this is just conjecture they are not worried about a certain degree of bounce but what you call effective or working bounce in different positions

Got it, Stu. Without taxing your math skills, what are the bounces for each club with the face squared to the target?

[BIG STU]

I did not write it down and can't remember right off the bat.

Barbajo just PM ed me I have sorta jumped the gun on this.

[NiftyNiblick]

With Edel, Hopkins, Renegar, Scor, and others setting their sights on the Cleveland and Titleist/Vokey wedge dominance, a dominance that they took from Wilson, I was hoping my new TK-15s would be a strong contender as well. I don't like them as much as the FW-15 irons, however.

 

 

 

I've played long enough to have preconceived notions of how my wedges should be.

 

 

I like a fairly broad, flat sole with little radius or camber on my pitching wedge.

 

 

I like a curved leading edge on my sand iron for lower resistance.

 

 

I like a narrow sole with heel and toe relief and virtually no bounce on my lob wedge.

 

 

Vokey has a nice variety of grinds but the K-grind 54 with a little radius for sand play isn't available in the regular SM5 line. You have to go to Wedgeworks for that.

 

 

Cleveland, which once had the consummate low-bounce, high-loft wedge in the 691 Series Classic 58, has virtually nothing with very low bounce now, even the ones with just one dot on them.

 

 

 

My own TK-15s have the allegedly good-for-everything Reid-Lockhart / Score type soles, but the pitching wedge doesn't spin hard, the sand wedge has too straight a leading edge, and the lob wedge doesn't pick as clean as I like a lob wedge to pick.

 

 

 

For my tastes, it looks, among the new model wedges, that Vokey and Edel (a dull gray cast stainless series) fit my eye the best.

 

 

Those TK-15s, though, cost a cool $168 each. For the rest of this season, I'd just better learn to hit them.

[BIG STU]

 

The Renegar wedges arrived today. They were waiting on the porch when the wife got home but she put them by the front door where I would see them as soon as I arrived. First impressions and I know this may sound funny but pretty nice box. The wedges were packaged perfectly. Not only were the heads shrink wrapped or vacuum sealed if you prefer but they had additional protective wrap as well. Opening them up and getting the protection off and they were stunning to say the least. Damn!! Almost too pretty to hit but I am. The sole grinds are impressive at first sight. Now you guys know curb appeal and feel go a long ways with me. From the outset they feel like they are balanced good and they darn sure look good!! You also know I am a forged man and by God they are forged! Right now I am in the process of checking the lofts and lies on my machine and the swing weights. Also will be checking the lengths. I will also give you the stock specs and info for me on my old Cleveland 588s and a set of Wishon 2015 PCF Micro groove wedges I have been experimenting with. I may be able to hit them tonight but we are having inclimate weather and will continue to have so through the weekend. Also was told they wanted me to hit some speficic shots with them but I have not got a list yet. Believe me I do have my own club testing program that I have honed over the years so that will be in place too.
So far first impressions it seems to be a well made and balanced club and the machine work is excellent.

 

Now these do have a KBS Tour Wedge shafts in them. I have always been a TT DG man but so far they seem balanced. I have had one experience with the KBS Wedge shafts and that was in a T-Mag ATV wedge I traded for. Never did like that wedge. But I have been experimenting with FST 90s in the Wishons so I am somewhat familiar with the feel. Ok I am going to eat supper and then after I will post my preliminary findings.

 

 

Up front I had the specs already on the Cleveland 588s since I have had them for years and have gamed them a while. The Wishon PCF wedges I also had specs on already since I have been doing my own R&D on them on and off for several months. Here are my specs for the Cleveland and Wishon wedges. Now neither are "stock" weight I have them heavy for me via lead tape. Also the Cleveland 60 does not have a "stock grind" I have modified it for me with a Scratch type JLM-EGG grind
588 60* loft--- lie 64.5* SW-- D-6.5--- Length 35 1/2 inches
588 56* loft--- lie 64.5 SW--D-6.5---- Length 35 3/4 inches
Now I do not carry 4 wedges but I carry my old Macgregor PW that goes with my irons. Specs are as follows Loft 47* Lie-64.5 SW-- D6 length 36 inches. All above wedges have TT Sensicore shafts soft stepped 1x
Wishon PCF Micro grooves ( 2015 CC conforming) Note : Unlike the Cleveland and Renegar wedges these are NOT forged.
52* -- Lie 64*--Length 36 inches SW-- D-5
56*-- Lie 64*---Length 36 inches SW-- D-5
60*-- Lie 65*---Length 36 inches SW--D-5
All my wedges I use Golf Pride Tour Wraps standard size.
Ok preliminary specs on the Renegar Wedges straight out of the box straight off the trailer.
Gap-49* loft lie 65* length 35 1/2 SW-D-5
Sand- 53 1/2*loft lie 63 length 35 1/2 SW- D-5
Lob-58* loft lie 63* length 35 1/2 SW-D-5
Ok there are the compairsons of what I am used to playing vs the new out of the box Renegar wedges. I am actually very impressed with the Renegar's raw specs out of the box. All lengths are dead on it and the weights are all matched and feel evenly balanced when handling them. notice with my wedges I do keep consistant weight through the set and consistant length. I also did some leading edge calculations on the Renegar wedges with a Maltby Triangle wedge guage and a protractor with straight edge. I will not complicate matters with all the measurements but I will say I am impressed with the way they set up. For the techies I did all my lofts and lies on my Silvestri Model 2002 A loft and lie machine that I have used for years. In fact Scratch Golf used to have 2 of those pretty accurate machine. That 2* on the gap wedge lie is well within tolerance levels and with a manual machine I can be off eye ball wise myself.

 

Now it is raining here but you know I could not resist I did hit the 60* off my mat in the back yard into the net and I did use some practice Pro V 1x balls. It felt great and it had a crisp sound when making contact. I am curious to get them in the real world on a real green to see if they stop like the Wishons which have very (but legal) aggressive grooves. They are conforming but I don't know how in the hell they are. but the Renegars have a more traditional type groove but seemed to spin the ball good. I did scuff a couple of covers but that is expected with new wedges. I actually can not get over how balanced so far the Renegar wedges feel stock out of the box. Also going by the gaps If I end up front line gaming them I will pull out the Macgregor VIP PW and replace it with the Renegar gap because with my traditional lofts there is only a 2* difference and I can live with that
Hope I did not lull anyone to sleep but since I was chosen to do this and the folks at MGS and Renegar chose me I am going to do a through job. This is basically the procedure I go through with any club I am experimenting with whether I build it myself or purchase it. Trust me more to come hopefully the weather will clear up STU
Edit Forgot one thing The Wishon wedges have FST-90 shafs that are stiff tipped-- too complicated to explain here but simply trying to get head weight feel without gobs of lead tape.

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