Popular Post Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2023 New Odyssey Ai-ONE and Ai-ONE Milled Putters Announced Today Odyssey Golf, the #1 Putter on Tour, announced new Odyssey Ai-One and Ai-One Milled Putters. We’ve leveraged Callaway’s industry Artificial Intelligence Design and super-computing capabilities to create the most advanced insert in golf for more consistent ball speeds, even on off-center hits. Below you will find our press center pages for both new putters, which include images, one-sheets, releases, key details, and more. Ai-One By applying these A.I. enhancements to our inserts, we’re delivering consistent ball speed across the face. Our multi-material construction includes unique contours on the back of the face that minimize ball speed losses on off-center hits, and greatly increase the sweet spot. With Ai-One, putts finish 21% closer to the hole on average than a typical non-inserted putter. To achieve this unmatched level of performance, we made the back of the insert out of aluminum and added a White Hot Urethane to the striking surface for the iconic White Hot feel that millions of golfers love. These enhancements provide incredible feel, speed control, and consistency. Ai-One is already gaining attention on Tour and performing on golf’s biggest stages. Jon Rahm used an Ai One Rossie model to go undefeated in the Ryder Cup while putting on a tremendous putting display, earning 3 points for the victorious European Team. Sam Burns gamed an Ai One Seven model for the U.S. Team at the Ryder Cup, and he made the switch to Ai-One in the very first week that he tried it at the Tour Championship. Ai-One Milled These premium putters feature a 100% Milled stainless steel body fit with a 100% Milled titanium insert. The multi-material construction includes unique contours on the back of the face that minimize ball speed losses on off-center hits, and greatly increase the sweet spot. With Ai-One Milled, putts finish closer to the hole on average than a typical Milled putter. Our new models deliver the premium look and feel that players expect in a milled design with a level of insert performance that no one else can match. Models, Pricing, and Availability The Odyssey Ai-One family will be at retail and online on November 3, with a price of $299.99. Head shapes include #1, Double Wide DB, Rossie S, #7S, and #7CH. The Odyssey Ai-One Milled family will also be at retail and online on November 3, with a price of $449.99. Head shapes will include the One T, Two T, Three T, Six T, Seven T DB, Seven T CH, Eight T, and Eleven T. BKervin, Josh Parker, GolfSpy_BEN and 7 others 6 1 3 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preeway Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 This is on my list of must test putters over the winter. MattWillGolf, IndyBonzo and Josh Parker 3 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS, Ventus Velocore+ Blue Shaft - 6S 4 Wood: Rogue ST Max 16.5, Tensei White Shaft - 7S Utility Iron: Fli Hi 3-iron, HAZARDOUS Smoke Black Shaft - S Irons: JPX 921 Tour 4-P, Project X Shafts - Stiff 125g Wedges: 52º, 56º, 60º Putter: Ai-One 7 T CH, 34" Preferred Ball: Z-Star Diamond Pushcart: Nitron Rangefinder: Pro X3+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) Rolled a few putts with the double wide yesterday; only one out of the plastic. Callaway is into blue this year; nicer blue than the Mizuno in my opinion. The clear plastic pice behind the face is interesting since it lets you see the contours behind the insert. General impression: looks nice, soft feel, difficult to identifying miss hits. People are going to say it works the same as every other putter and AI is overblown. Honestly kind of my thought. Edited November 2, 2023 by cnosil JohnSmalls, CudaKota66, Preeway and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Parker Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 It's interesting and the added "forgiveness " will help quite a bit. I haven't ever put an Odyssey in the bag just because I wasn't too big on the feel off the face but will be looking for the illusive lefty to test out in the stores. TJ Hall and IndyBonzo 2 Quote Titleist GT3 11* Tensei 1k blue Titleist TSR2 4w 16* Titleist TSR2 5w 18.75* MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey SM9 Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitasully Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) The guys at Cool Clubs did an interesting test and the results were really interesting. It's worth a watch. Edited November 2, 2023 by Pitasully Bucky CC, GolfSpy_BOS, ZackS and 5 others 8 Quote TaylorMade Stealth 2 10.5 Kai'li Blue S TaylorMade Stealth 2 15* Kai'li Red S Titleist 910f 19* Diamana blue 75 Titleist 910h 24* Diamana blue 80hyb Srixon ZX Mk II 5-AW UST Recoil 75 Vokey 54* and 58* Odyssey Tri-Hot 5k One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek74 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 I'm actually surprised it took this long. IndyBonzo 1 Quote Driver: STMax 230 10.5*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Blue RDX, 60g Fairways: 949x 3w / 5w, 15* / 18*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX, 70g Hybrids: 939x 4h, 21*, Stiff HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX, 80g Hybrid Irons: JPX923 Hot Metal Pro, 5-GW, UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: S23, 54* & 60*, UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter: Moment X Tour @ 35" & 71*, Super Stroke Pistol GT 2.0, White/Red Ball: Tour CG Technology: Anarch Rangefinder, V5 w/ Tags Shot Tracking. https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/65161-vortex-optics-rangefinders-2024-member-test/?do=findComment&comment=1089247 https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/66852-unofficial-review-tpi-virtual-assessment https://forum.mygolfspy.com/classifieds/ - DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE CLASSIFIEDS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Hall Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Am interested in trying one of these to see if it makes any difference. IndyBonzo 1 Quote TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Driver TaylorMade Sim Ti 3 wood Titleist U505 Hybrid (3H) TaylorMade Tour Preferred CB Irons (4-PW) Vokey SM8 Wedges (52/56/60) Odyssey Ai-ONE 7S Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, Shrek74 said: I'm actually surprised it took this long. Taken this long to use AI to design a putter insert? Or design a face that intentionally manipulates ball speed across the face? other than the use of the AI buzzword, is the outcome really any different than Evnroll, Bobby Grace, or Ping TR grooves? IndyBonzo, JohnSmalls and CudaKota66 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLD7 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 The shade of blue chosen for these putters is exceptional. Well done Odyssey. I have 3 separate Odyssey putters in a bin somewhere from a long time ago. IndyBonzo, TJ Hall and MattWillGolf 3 Quote Driver: Titleist TSR3 9* | H2 track setting | C4 hosel setting | Fujikura Ventus TR Black 6X 3 wood: Titleist TSi3 15* | T track setting | B4 hosel setting | Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7X 5 wood: Titleist TSR2 18* | C4 hosel setting | Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 8S Hybrid: Titleist TSR2 21* | B1 hosel setting | Fujikura Ventus HB Blue 9X Irons: Titleist T100 Black | 5-P | True Temper AMT Tour White X100 Wedges: Vokey SM9 Jet Black | 50.08F, 54.12D, 58.08M | True Temper AMT Tour White S300 Putter: Scotty Cameron Champions Choice Button Back Newport 2.5+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 I have to admit, the double wide and OG look hot. would love to try one out IndyBonzo 1 Quote WITB- Driver -Titleist 910D, 3w- Titleist 910F, 5hy/7hy- Titleist 910H, 6-PW - Stix , 52⁰, 56⁰, 60⁰ - Stix , Putter- AI-ONE DB / Lombardi Tour 34 custom Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWillGolf Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 This release intrigues me. I’ve had an Evnroll putter in my bag for about 7 years now. I am very curious as to how the face technologies compare. From an aesthetics point of view I appreciate the milled versions more. Not a fan of the window on the Ai-One models. It would be fine on a demo version but not sure about it on my gamer. I’m a mallet player and like the looks of Ai-One Milled Eight but would prefer it have a Double Bend shaft. Hopefully this version will be released down the road. The Ai-One Milled Eleven DB does have a shape similar to my ER11v though so that will get a try when these arrive in stores. I also really like the looks of the blue finish paired up with “gold” titanium insert. IndyBonzo 1 Quote Anyday Maverick Black Ops 7-way 0311 Black Ops 8° w/Mitsubishi Diamana S+ 60 0311 XF 3 wood 16° w/Fujikura Motore X F3 0211 Hybrid 3 19° w/Project X Even Flow Riptide G410 Crossover 4 w/Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro Blue 70 Paradym X 6 - GW w/True Temper Elevate MPH Official Forum Test SM9 54°/12° D and 58°/12° D w/KBS Tour 110 DF3 w/BGT Stability ONE Forum Test Shot Scope Pro LX+ Pro LX+ Official Forum Test Pro V1 3.5+ Tests No Longer in the Bag ER11v 34” Evnroll ER11v Official Forum Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenric Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 So I got onto Golf Galaxy to look at pricing and different options and customizations. I noticed on there that the new stock shaft is a steel shaft, not the graphite steel that they did before. Now if you want the upgraded graphite, steel shaft, it is a $50 up charge they say it is to help with the balance of the club but I feel like it is a way to save costs. IndyBonzo 1 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym @ 10.5º (Fujikura Ventus Red Velocore TR Stiff) 4 Wood: Titleist TSr 2 @ 14.5º Driving Iron: Ping iCrossover 17º (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX 80 Stiff) Irons: Taylormade Stealth 4-P (Fujikura Ventus Blue Graphite 7 Stiff) Wedges: Cleveland RTX 6 Zipcore 48º, 52º, 56º (TT Dynamic Gold Tour Issue) Putter: Odyssey AI One Jailbird Mini Ball: Titleist ProV1X, MaxFli Tour X 2023, MaxFli Tour 2023, Titleist AVX Tested: Tommy Armour Impact No. 3 (LINK) Tested: Titleist Prototype Balls (LINK) Tested: Stitch Golf SL2 Golf Bag (LINK) Unofficially Tested: Odyssey One Black (LINK) Shot Tracking App: Golf Pad GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Pretty sure there is research from Dr. Sasho Mackenzie that effect on speed/distance of impact location on putter is minor that he discussed on some of the golf podcast circuit visits he did, which was a large surprise to me. These putters brought that up in my mind. His general conclusion was to avoid practicing impact location and work on speed/start line instead unless you plan to practice many hours per week on putting. And even in that case, there would be other golf skills that would benefit your game more than getting your impact location as close to centre of putter everytime. Should be enough putters on the market now for an MGS robot test striking the ball across the clubface and see how much distance is lost on various inserts, vs flat milled and different milled groove putters. CudaKota66 and IndyBonzo 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 hours ago, BMart519 said: Pretty sure there is research from Dr. Sasho Mackenzie that effect on speed/distance of impact location on putter is minor that he discussed on some of the golf podcast circuit visits he did, which was a large surprise to me. These putters brought that up in my mind. His general conclusion was to avoid practicing impact location and work on speed/start line instead unless you plan to practice many hours per week on putting. And even in that case, there would be other golf skills that would benefit your game more than getting your impact location as close to centre of putter everytime. Should be enough putters on the market now for an MGS robot test striking the ball across the clubface and see how much distance is lost on various inserts, vs flat milled and different milled groove putters. can be as much as 20% loss of ball speed. https://www.golfscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Hurrion-Investigation-into-Impact-Ratio.pdf. not significant for short putts but as distance increases, which is when off center becomes more common, you miss by a lot. JohnSmalls, IndyBonzo and CudaKota66 2 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, cnosil said: can be as much as 20% loss of ball speed. https://www.golfscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Hurrion-Investigation-into-Impact-Ratio.pdf. not significant for short putts but as distance increases, which is when off center becomes more common, you miss by a lot. Interesting study, especially with all the different face inserts. I saw the worst reported loss as 14% on a blade and average of 10%, not 20% however (that was a comparison of the "fastest" putter hit out of the middle vs the putter with the largest drop on a low heal miss). The heel and toe miss are 2cm or over 3/4" of an inch each side of center which is a pretty big contact patch at 1.5" wide. Not sure what skill level that would correlate to for an "average" putter. This was why I gave up on heads up putting, after I fatted a 60' lag putt I figured there was no possible benefit that could offset the occasional miss like that. Edited November 7, 2023 by BMart519 IndyBonzo and cnosil 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 9 hours ago, BMart519 said: Interesting study, especially with all the different face inserts. I saw the worst reported loss as 14% on a blade and average of 10%, not 20% however (that was a comparison of the "fastest" putter hit out of the middle vs the putter with the largest drop on a low heal miss). The heel and toe miss are 2cm or over 3/4" of an inch each side of center which is a pretty big contact patch at 1.5" wide. Not sure what skill level that would correlate to for an "average" putter. This was why I gave up on heads up putting, after I fatted a 60' lag putt I figured there was no possible benefit that could offset the occasional miss like that. Based on data captured by Dave Pelz; in the putting bible, here is the miss pattern by handicap. It seems to get wide pretty quickly . CudaKota66 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 6:05 PM, cnosil said: Based on data captured by Dave Pelz; in the putting bible, here is the miss pattern by handicap. It seems to get wide pretty quickly . Hard to tell scale, but to my eye looks like 1.5" wide spread begins around 22 index. Maybe an odd one after 12. But there also appears to be 30 index players that have less than 1.5" lateral dispersion. Callaway is using a 15 point face map according to their promo material, would be interesting to see the details on the distance that covers across the face. If it is 2+ inches wide, there's limited benefit to be gained in real life off the number of balls hit on the edge of the insert for most players. Also interesting the distance variation is much less in the insert model vs milled version putter. "*Ai-ONE Urethane delivers putts up to 21% closer to the hole from 32’ and Ai-ONE Milled up to 7% closer compared to a Scotty Cameron® Super Select Newport 2. Based on robot testing with a 15 point face map." IndyBonzo, cnosil and CudaKota66 3 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 Got to demo pretty much the full line this week with the rep. I definitely liked the White Hot insert better than the Milled. The Milled was a firm hard feeling much like my Scotty Cameron, which I don't hate. But just fell in love wit the insert feel which I had on one of the original White Hots way back in the day. Was torn between the Rosisie and #7 which are my two favorite styles. Decided on the Rossie as it's close to the SC 1.5 Flowback that I've been playng most of the year. cnosil, IndyBonzo, CFreddie and 2 others 4 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFreddie Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Would love to try this, along with the Spider Proto (aka Scottie's Spider) - color me intrigued! Interesting feedback @Golfspy_CG2 - I prefer the feel of a milled putter but would be curious how this new insert process feels. Golfspy_CG2, IndyBonzo and CudaKota66 3 Quote Driver: Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff Irons: Forged TEC 5-PW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff Wedges: Haywood Signature Raw Wedges (50 / 54 / 58) Putter: L.A.B. DF3 (aka "Chewie") Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour Reviews: L.A.B. DF3 Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Testing Callaway Paradym Titleist White Box Testing (2023) Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, CFreddie said: Would love to try this, along with the Spider Proto (aka Scottie's Spider) - color me intrigued! Interesting feedback @Golfspy_CG2 - I prefer the feel of a milled putter but would be curious how this new insert process feels. Yeah, maybe it's a case of I didn't know what I was "missing" as I've used a Milled putter for the last two years at least. Then to feel the softness of the insert was so different that I just took to it. CudaKota66 and IndyBonzo 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 hours ago, CFreddie said: Would love to try this, along with the Spider Proto (aka Scottie's Spider) - color me intrigued! Head to your closest golf store. I went to the pga superstore and they even had a used one IndyBonzo 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 18 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: Got to demo pretty much the full line this week with the rep. I definitely liked the White Hot insert better than the Milled. The Milled was a firm hard feeling much like my Scotty Cameron, which I don't hate. But just fell in love wit the insert feel which I had on one of the original White Hots way back in the day. Was torn between the Rosisie and #7 which are my two favorite styles. Decided on the Rossie as it's close to the SC 1.5 Flowback that I've been playng most of the year. Quick question for you… Does the White Hot seem more forgiving or is the forgiveness about the same but it’s just feels more solid. Just curious. I need to try these out. Golfspy_CG2 and IndyBonzo 2 Quote TSR 3 9.0 Autoflex 405x - Official Tester 2024 TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 4 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Stiff Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged (Japan) 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Champions Choice Newport 2+ Button Back - 35” / Pistolini Plus Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, KC Golf said: Quick question for you… Does the White Hot seem more forgiving or is the forgiveness about the same but it’s just feels more solid. Just curious. I need to try these out. To me it actually does feel more forgiving. I'm sure Odyssey says they are equal. But maybe it's a psychological thing with the softer feel feeling more forgiving. I would definitely encourage you to try them out if you can. KC Golf and IndyBonzo 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/9/2023 at 11:12 AM, BMart519 said: Hard to tell scale, but to my eye looks like 1.5" wide spread begins around 22 index. Maybe an odd one after 12. But there also appears to be 30 index players that have less than 1.5" lateral dispersion. Callaway is using a 15 point face map according to their promo material, would be interesting to see the details on the distance that covers across the face. If it is 2+ inches wide, there's limited benefit to be gained in real life off the number of balls hit on the edge of the insert for most players. Also interesting the distance variation is much less in the insert model vs milled version putter. "*Ai-ONE Urethane delivers putts up to 21% closer to the hole from 32’ and Ai-ONE Milled up to 7% closer compared to a Scotty Cameron® Super Select Newport 2. Based on robot testing with a 15 point face map." The other question with the plots is how far was the putt. As putts get longer I would think the variation would become larger. Odyssey is using a 32’ putt and a robot. I wonder what the dispersion difference would be with humans making the putts. . KC Golf and IndyBonzo 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 21 hours ago, cnosil said: The other question with the plots is how far was the putt. As putts get longer I would think the variation would become larger. Odyssey is using a 32’ putt and a robot. I wonder what the dispersion difference would be with humans making the putts. . During my 30 minutes or so wfh then on the putting green. I tried everything from 3 footers to 90 footers and I between. Almost sank a 60 footer. But the distance control on the long ones once I got used to fbd insert face were very good. KC Golf, cnosil, CudaKota66 and 1 other 4 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 47 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: During my 30 minutes or so wfh then on the putting green. I tried everything from 3 footers to 90 footers and I between. Almost sank a 60 footer. But the distance control on the long ones once I got used to fbd insert face were very good. When is one ending up in the bag? CudaKota66, IndyBonzo and KC Golf 2 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyBonzo Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 I went to the PGATSS and spent about 20 mins putting with 3-4 of the new AI putters. I wanted to be impressed, but sadly was not. They are gorgeous. But I felt no difference in my putting as compared to my usual wand; if anything, my accuracy was poorer, as was distance control. I did find the White Hot insert more forgiving and more consistent than the milled face, which I found interesting since my gamer putter has a milled face and it is more consistent for me than either of the AI putters. The putters are objectively excellent; I putted well with them. Just not better than my current gamer. Not to pile on, but for comparison purposes I also tried the LAB Link 1 and the LAB DF, both of which were more accurate and more consistent than the AI putters. All that said, picking the right putter is a very individualized endeavor. My experience will no doubt be the opposite of others'. Support your local golf store and go try them out! CudaKota66, PeterHenric, KC Golf and 2 others 5 Quote Working at getting better ... and very slowly getting there. Paradym Max 8* ( Shogun Blue M0 Otto-Phlex) Brnr Mini driver 13.5* ( FX 3.0 140 M1 Otto-Phlex) Paradym X 4 and 5 Hybrids Maltby TS1 (shafts: Tour 120S) RTX6 Zipcore 53*, and 58* mid wedges ( wedge shafts 6.5) Frontline Elite 1.0 Gloves My Official 2024 TaylorMade Qi10 Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/62804-taylormade-qi10-drivers-2024-forum-member-review/?do=findComment&comment=1014200 My Official 2023 Red Rooster Sussex Glove Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/58614-2023-mgs-forum-member-test-red-rooster-sussex-golf-glove/#comment-911042 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CudaKota66 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, IndyBonzo said: I went to the PGATSS and spent about 20 mins putting with 3-4 of the new AI putters. I wanted to be impressed, but sadly was not Too funny, as I made a trek to the exact same PGATSS earlier this week, @IndyBonzo Personally, I thought the putters felt a little light to me I have been an Odyssey fan for years now - original Rossie, 2-ball, Marxman, and currently rolling a 2-ball Marxman Fang with the micro-hinge insert. The AI in the original Epic Flash driver garnered me noticeable gains with a driver & is still in the bag 5 years later. I was hoping for the same gains from the putter. Alas, for me it was/is just marketing hype (IMO). HOWEVER, I did start to drool over the TM Spider X putters. You couldn't have given me a Spider previously, but their sightlines on the mallets really captured my heart....and eye. I'm really hoping my new bride forgets the 'promise' I made a few weeks back about, "Honey, this is the first season I'm inclined to just keep what I play & not get anything new this off-season...." We need to get together next Spring & see what other Indy-area Spies might want to have a casual outing. KC Golf and IndyBonzo 1 1 Quote Epic Flash King F8 3W Epic Flash Max 7W G425 4i-PW CBX2 50/54/58 Inovai 6.0 Tour Response or Triad (both thanks to MGS testing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 On 11/10/2023 at 11:46 AM, Golfspy_CG2 said: To me it actually does feel more forgiving. I'm sure Odyssey says they are equal. But maybe it's a psychological thing with the softer feel feeling more forgiving. I would definitely encourage you to try them out if you can. Thanks for the feedback. Will definitely go try it out at the store next week. I am a milled face guy too, but have had inserts like a Ping before and putted decent with it. CudaKota66 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 Autoflex 405x - Official Tester 2024 TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 4 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Stiff Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged (Japan) 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Champions Choice Newport 2+ Button Back - 35” / Pistolini Plus Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current Club Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 On 11/11/2023 at 4:40 PM, KC Golf said: Thanks for the feedback. Will definitely go try it out at the store next week. I am a milled face guy too, but have had inserts like a Ping before and putted decent with it. Yeah, the PING Tyne 4 with it's insert was my go to for almost two years. IndyBonzo 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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