Undershooter Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 We are talking the top 100 public courses ranked. The resort courses, munis, and others are all grouped as "public" so as public courses, looked at as public courses only not the resort or if the state/county owns it. In comparison, #1 Pebble Beach is $500 and #11 Acadia Bluffs is $110. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy But at Pebble, you are paying for the name and the history as much as you are the view. To see and hit the same shots as Jack, Tiger, Tom and the likes. Is it overpriced? Sure Is it worth it? Probably so as well. Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X" Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions) Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5 Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5 Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60* Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 First hand knowledge thanks Burk. My thought is though... What makes them so special? Skip the resort part. Are they really worth $500? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I think we've clearly established that they aren't trying to keep anyone out. I've played Whistling, Pebble, Blackwolf, Bethpage Black, Sawgrass, World Woods Pine Barrens all of which appear on the top 100 you can play. The prices of those courses vary from 500 to 40 depending upon circumstances. They are all great courses. It's hard to describe how beautiful Pebble is although it may have been my least favorite golf course of that group. Of course I played it in the 70's and conditioning was difficult back then. It's also hard to imagine how difficult Bethpage is. For me it was worth it. But keep in mind you can play great courses without breaking the bank. I don't think I've ever spent 50 at World Woods. Courses there are in great shape, nice layouts but in the middle of nowhere with no amenities beyond the golf. Practice area is the best in the U S bar none. You can bet you will be in for a long day at the big name courses. They attract the casual golfer or the guy who wants to be as close to the tips as possible. Both types take forever to play so you might as well enjoy it. A funny thing happened to us at Sawgrass. I had heard that rounds there are normally more than 5 hours. I was playing with Jacksonville Beach Packer fan, one of the assistant pros and his father. Since Jax is a member we didn't need a fore caddie. It was a typical July day in Florida - hot humid threat of rain. There was always a hole open in front of us and we were never threatened by the group behind us. But for some reason a ranger decided to hassle us about pace of play. The assistant pro asked if the guy knew who he was after pointing out that there was no one within sight in any direction. The ranger made a snide remark. The pro got on his cell. I'm not sure what happened but I don't think it went well. We played in 430 hours and never saw a drop of rain. It poured my entire drive home though. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 Yeah, I hear you guys. I would love to play these places. Yeah, the big name courses have had the best players come through. But you'd think the top 100 would all be closer in price. There's $425 difference from high to low. Just makes a "reader" of the rankings wonder why not play #13 and have room to enjoy more for less than #4? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 I'm not disagreeing with anyone. Just seems odd to me. I get the history and the location adds to it all. My mom went to Pebble Beach and watched the sunset at a bar. I saw pictures, it is amazing. I'm a bang for buck guy. If I could play 4-5 of them for the same as 1 round I'd go for the 4-5. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 I understand your question. But is really hard to separate them. I stayed at Pinehurst Resort last year for 2 nights and two rounds of golf, a couple dinners, breakfast daily. It was a good value in my mind for $1200. Include full locker room access with a shoe shine. Plus the atmosphere of walking the halls of the clubhouse, the rocking chairs on the porch of 18 on No.2, with a beer in hand watching groups come in. Much the same at Kohler with the locker room, upstairs cigar bar, all present a true unique experience. I haven't been to pebble, but would expect its even more of the same. It makes for the total package. Fair enough. Maybe when I retire! - Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McaseyM Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Oh, the other good deal on great courses in the US, those run by Indian casinos! A lot of these places are a bit remote and want to attract people out there to play. For instance, Yoche Dehe is about an hour drive from me, is consistently rated one of America's best public courses and the most they charge is around $100 I â¤ï¸ Yocha Dehe! God that's an awesome course. I think courses will change whatever they can get away with. There's a semi private course near me in Auburn CA called Winchester, and they charge $250ish for non members, but you can play Dark Horse, also in Auburn for $50-$60. I got to play Winchester from a charity auction I won with a buddy, but Dark Horse was just as good. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy What's in my bag: Driver : F9 10.5, Fujikura Speeder 757 TR Fairway F9 15.5° Aldila Rogue White 80X Hybrid: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+ Irons: z585 4i - 6i, z785 7i-PW, Nippon Modus 120X Wedges: CBX 50.11, 55.11, 60.10 TT DG S400 Black Putter: Honey Badger 34" Ball: Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djahubes Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 I understand your question. But is really hard to separate them. I stayed at Pinehurst Resort last year for 2 nights and two rounds of golf, a couple dinners, breakfast daily. It was a good value in my mind for $1200. Include full locker room access with a shoe shine. Plus the atmosphere of walking the halls of the clubhouse, the rocking chairs on the porch of 18 on No.2, with a beer in hand watching groups come in. Much the same at Kohler with the locker room, upstairs cigar bar, all present a true unique experience. I haven't been to pebble, but would expect its even more of the same. It makes for the total package. Pinehurst is best bang for the buck out there. Holly inn, and resort packages very fair value. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewneddy Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Hackers can have money too. Everyone on this forum knows someone with the latest and greatest equipment and talks a big game but can't get the ball airborne. I agree with Carolina - the upscale public courses like Pebble and Whistling keep good players out who don't have enough to shell out on a $500 round. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kardboard.kid Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Just outside Newark Oh is a course formerly known as Longaberger, now virtues. It is one of the most beautiful courses I've played over the years. Cost $99 and well worth it. So to the question of course, sometimes, it's just the cost for a wonderful experience. I think that goes to all those in this thread. I'll gladly let a group of jerks play through so my round is not ruined. planet earth F7+ w/Fujikura Pro XLR8 Graphite Shaft 3-I MPF H-Series3B2M graphite Shaft w/Winn Dri-Tac grip mid STi Irons 5-SW KURO KAGE 70IR Flex-R Lamkin Grips King F6 Hybrid Matrix Red Tie HQ4 Graphite Shaft Forged FGT 60* wedge KURO KAGE 70R SS cross Comfort grip O-Putter 1W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 IMP green fees are dictated by the market. If a course can get away with charging $500, they will, while a select few others have intentionally tried to keep green fees reasonable so they don't freeze out the locals. Some where like Shadow Creek has to charge as much as they do, as the amount of work necessary to maintain that course in the desert, combined with fewer rounds, they likely need a lot of the money to sustain itself. I'm not sure many courses use green fees as a way to freeze out duffers. There's a lot of wealthy hacks out there and the course probably doesn't care how good or bad you are. Shadow does it as an experience. They only get a dozen groups on a Saturday and about half of that the rest of the week. The deal through MGM is $500 for a limo ride out and back, golf as well as food and booze. The amount they get yearly in greens fees more than likely doesn't cover their property tax bill. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* Ltd. HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 TX Fairway: BRNR Mini Driver Copper 13.5* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undershooter Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Shadow does it as an experience. They only get a dozen groups on a Saturday and about half of that the rest of the week. The deal through MGM is $500 for a limo ride out and back, golf as well as food and booze. The amount they get yearly in greens fees more than likely doesn't cover their property tax bill. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Damn... Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X" Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions) Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5 Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5 Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60* Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dang3rtown Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I understand your question. But is really hard to separate them. I stayed at Pinehurst Resort last year for 2 nights and two rounds of golf, a couple dinners, breakfast daily. It was a good value in my mind for $1200. Include full locker room access with a shoe shine. Plus the atmosphere of walking the halls of the clubhouse, the rocking chairs on the porch of 18 on No.2, with a beer in hand watching groups come in. Much the same at Kohler with the locker room, upstairs cigar bar, all present a true unique experience. I haven't been to pebble, but would expect its even more of the same. It makes for the total package. I got to do a family trip to Pebble Beach when I was a kid. Rode in the cart with my dad while he played, we had a cottage that over looked the most beautiful oceans cape you can imagine and we could hear the bag piper playing the last groups in over at Spanish Bay. It was awesome. Wish I would have been able to play! Driver: G 10.5* W/Tour Stiff 65g Ping Shaft Fairway Woods: Cobra F6 13.5*, F6 Baffler 16* Irons: Split Set- i200 3i - 7i , Ft Worth 15s, 8 (36), 9 (40), PW (44) Wedges: TK, 52* & 56* Putter: Sigma G Kushin Bag: Hoofer 5way Balls: TP5/X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWahoo Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I'm not disagreeing with anyone. Just seems odd to me. I get the history and the location adds to it all. My mom went to Pebble Beach and watched the sunset at a bar. I saw pictures, it is amazing. I'm a bang for buck guy. If I could play 4-5 of them for the same as 1 round I'd go for the 4-5. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I would suspect that many of the ultra-famous courses understand that there are some willing to pay the price just to be able to say they played it. I ask, does the Pinehurst resort pay more to maintain and up keep #2 much over what it does for its other courses, or do they know people will pay more to play #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDT816 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Seems around here that the prices of the more expensive courses is determined by how many rounds they want to be played annually not revenue Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk Driver: Titleist 917 10.5* 3 Wood: Titliest 917 Hybrid: Titleist 818 Irons: Mizuno JPX 850 Forged w/ True Temper XP 115 Wedges: Volkey SM5 M Grind 54° & 58°; 8° bounce Putter: 2016 Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Notchback Grips: Golf Pride MCCPlus4 midsized Preferred ball: Bridgestone Tour B-RX, ProV 1X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Any vacation mecca whether it be golf or a family oriented one can charge higher prices just for the fact that people will go there no matter what the price. Pebble Beach pricing doesn't just cover the cost to maintain the course, it's how much are you willing to pay for the experience, the views, the ability to walk and play a course that past and present golf greats have tread on. Just like Disney this year which jacked their prices up because demand is high. I know people are still willing to pay it though. MDGolfHacker What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severtheties Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Seems around here that the prices of the more expensive courses is determined by how many rounds they want to be played annually not revenue Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk This is a reason I've heard before. Some courses want to remain "public" but the price will certainly deter a good number of people away which helps keep the rounds down and the course in assumptively better condition. Driver - Tour Edge Exotics XCG 7 Beta w/ Paderson shaft 44" Fairway Metal - Vapor Fly 15* w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue 65F 43" Irons - SLDR 4i-pw w/ KBS Tour C-Taper 90S Wedges - 54* and 58* Digger grind Putter - 2015 GoLo 3 33" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undershooter Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 This is a reason I've heard before. Some courses want to remain "public" but the price will certainly deter a good number of people away which helps keep the rounds down and the course in assumptively better condition. This is actually one of the reasons I'm not a member of the Courses I was previously. I thought they should raise their prices another $50 per month(memberships range from $150-$320 per month) to try and get less play. That place was freaking PACKED all the time. I'm talking 200+ groups going out literally every Saturday and Sunday. Just about no matter what. Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X" Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions) Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5 Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5 Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60* Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0808 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 This is actually one of the reasons I'm not a member of the Courses I was previously. I thought they should raise their prices another $50 per month(memberships range from $150-$320 per month) to try and get less play. That place was freaking PACKED all the time. I'm talking 200+ groups going out literally every Saturday and Sunday. Just about no matter what. 200 groups? I would think that would have to be combined for the two days. If that is the case the course was packed from 6 am to 6 pm at 8 minute intervals which equals 90 groups and 360 players. That is a ton of play! I'd rather pay more for more exclusive rights. In my bag: Driver: Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS 10.5* (set to 9.5) UST Lin-Q Gunmetal 6f5 Wood: Tsi2 15* Project X RDX Black 70 6.5 Hybrids: King Utility 19.5* Diamana Tensei White Pro 90TX Irons: Cobra King Tour MIM 4-PW Dynamic Gold 120 X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 3 50*, 54*, 58* Tour Issue S400 Putter: Nashville Z1C 34" Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 I'd quit golf if I had to deal with 200 groups a day. That would take for friggin ever. Just dumb. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I'd quit golf if I had to deal with 200 groups a day. That would take for friggin ever. Just dumb. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Main reason I did not join DuPont CC when I liv d in DE. Once they told me as a new member I may get a time one or two weekends during the summer I went elsewhere. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* Ltd. HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 TX Fairway: BRNR Mini Driver Copper 13.5* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 Main reason I did not join DuPont CC when I liv d in DE. Once they told me as a new member I may get a time one or two weekends during the summer I went elsewhere. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Am I spoiled then getting the course to myself? I thought golf was "dying". 200 groups and "once or twice" a summer is not a dying game. - Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undershooter Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 200 groups? I would think that would have to be combined for the two days. If that is the case the course was packed from 6 am to 6 pm at 8 minute intervals which equals 90 groups and 360 players. That is a ton of play! I'd rather pay more for more exclusive rights.Welcome to what was my hell. Its not even that tough of a course. Boxes sub 5k to 6900 tipped. Rarely was it tipped all the way.Yet I was lucky to get a round in sub 5 hours on the weekend. You are spot on with the 8 min splits and packed tee sheet. Good luck calling in within 2 weeks and trying to get a tee time before 12 on a Saturday. Edit: just noticed what I had typed earlier and I'm an idiot. I meant 200 plus ROUNDS minimum. Between first tee time available and 4pm which is when tee times stop and first come first serve becomes available. They generally don't count rounds that go out after that. Hell there are only 73ish tee slots in that time period (6ish-4pm). I dunno why I said that many groups. I'm losing my mind, I swear. Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X" Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions) Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5 Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5 Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60* Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_Mac Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Ability doesn't at all dictate finances so I think its simply a case of pricing at a level that people are willing to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Welcome to what was my hell. Its not even that tough of a course. Boxes sub 5k to 6900 tipped. Rarely was it tipped all the way. Yet I was lucky to get a round in sub 5 hours on the weekend. You are spot on with the 8 min splits and packed tee sheet. Good luck calling in within 2 weeks and trying to get a tee time before 12 on a Saturday. Edit: just noticed what I had typed earlier and I'm an idiot. I meant 200 plus ROUNDS minimum. Between first tee time available and 4pm which is when tee times stop and first come first serve becomes available. They generally don't count rounds that go out after that. Hell there are only 73ish tee slots in that time period (6ish-4pm). I dunno why I said that many groups. I'm losing my mind, I swear. Hey! We have a new senior member in the group. Welcome!! “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undershooter Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Hey! We have a new senior member in the group. Welcome!! I did recently have a birthday. We'll blame it on that Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X" Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions) Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5 Mizuno MP69 7i-PW w/ PX 6.5 Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60* Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X Bag- Sun Mountain C130 Supercharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandTrapped Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I played Torrey South for $128 this year, and two rounds at the Ocean course for around $600 (including caddie). Torrey is a muni, while Ocean Course is a public course owned by a private resort company. This explains some of the price difference. Torrey was incredible, but it was not as nice as Kiawah. Torrey was completely booked with foursomes. I was hit on from 110 yards out, and I had a group of guys jamming techno from the adjacent teebox. Ocean Course was barely booked (not fantastic weather), with only twosomes, caddies required in the morning ("watchdog effect"), and Ocean Course was in perfect condition in every area on every hole. The pro shop was much more expensive too. I think this explains why some public courses cost as much as they do, or why some don't. Hot X2 Driver Jetspeed 3 Wood XR 5 Wood XR 3 Hybrid JPX 825 Irons SM5 56 Degree RTX 3 Lob Scottsdale TR Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmith123 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I think that course fees for playing parallel golf equipment in a way. People will pay for a name if they feel the product is justified. PXG has very high priced equipment and doesn't make any excuses for it but people pay. Just like golf balls as well. Sent from my Sprint LG G5 mobile device Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geez2323 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 It cost a lot to keep a premium course in top condition. Maintaining and watering a course to be in perfect condition to play cost a premium. The high price probably would probably keep away the average Joe golfer, but I don't believe it is to keep anyone off the course. It's the old saying, you get what you pay for. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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