Who Has The Best and Worst Hosel?

[GolfSpy_APH]

I was doing some clean up of some clubs and going through some of the settings and wondered who has the best Hosel for drivers? 

Many are pretty simple and function well but often lead to adjusted lie angle to get desired loft or requiring a certain head to match up lie and loft. Off the top of my head TaylorMade, Cobra, Mizuno, PXG and many others have this. It still works, but the other part is often a grip can be twisted so if you do make a change there is that to think about too. Then there is the whole LH or RH sleeve which can throw a wrench into things.

Titleist is great because it has a little sleeve that allows for adjustment without twisting the grip. However unless you bring up the chart it can be pretty confusing. However no different or requirement for needing a LH or RH sleeve as one works for both.

Callaway may have the best. Simple adjustment that doesn't effect the grip orientation. However still be careful for RH vs LH which will make things opposite. 

So what do you think? Is there one I missed that's better or why do you prefer some vs others? 

 

[GolfSpy_BNG]

Put me down for Callaway’s Opti-Fit 2 being the best. They have different versions which can help lower loft more or flatten the lie more. Plus changing the settings doesn’t rotate the shaft and change the grip orientation. 

[dbdors]

Callaway Optifit 2 as well

 

[KevB_44]

Callaway's ability to adjust without reorienting the shaft/grip along with the simplicity is really impressive---I like it.

Is that consistent with Titleist?  I thought one of the cams required the shaft/grip to rotate in order to adjust it or am I mistaken?  I do know you need to reference a table to make sense of it and make the adjustment you seek.

 

Sorry for my ignorance on the Titleist offering.

[Golfweasel]

Titleist adapters most definitely realign the shaft if you move away from the ‘1’ position. 
Callaway adapters are the best out there currently. 

[MGoBlue100]

I misread the title and thought the question was who can it it off the hosel most consistently.  I was about to challenge anyone in the forum to do it better and more consistently than I, but alas I was mistaken regarding the subject...

[AndySP]

I like the options on the callaway and Titleist, but don’t like how bulky they are so I’d pick the Ping.
im not a tinkerer though. 

[Micah T]

Put me down for Ping as far as visuals go: it’s the most unobtrusive. Not having to realign the grip on a Callaway sounds amazing, I haven’t gamed a club of theirs’ in quite some time…

[GolfSpy_APH]

6 hours ago, Micah T said:

Put me down for Ping as far as visuals go: it’s the most unobtrusive. Not having to realign the grip on a Callaway sounds amazing, I haven’t gamed a club of theirs’ in quite some time…

The flat setting with ping is truly awesome. 

Now in wondering who may have the worst or one that is least liked by our membership?

[TylorJudd]

Callaway was the most confusing to be my first one. S for "stated" was a poor choice. It would be nice if you could go 2 down on the optifit as well. Callaway's ability to leave shaft orientation in place is so understated. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

3 minutes ago, TylorJudd said:

Callaway was the most confusing to be my first one. S for "stated" was a poor choice. It would be nice if you could go 2 down on the optifit as well. Callaway's ability to leave shaft orientation in place is so understated. 

And here i thought S was for standard. There is my something new for the day. 

[Jim Shaw]

there was a set of irons when I was young, probably about 1971-72, I dont know who put them out but Jerry Barber endorsed them, they were the weirdest looking hozel I had ever seen, I will try and find a picture of them

[Jim Shaw]

[Jim Shaw]

I have a great Jerry Barber story to tell, I had the sincere pleasure of playing an 18 hole practice round with Canada's Golfer of the Millenium, Gary Cowan at the 2019 Senior Amateur Men's Championship at Cedar Brae Golf Club in Scarborough Ontario. Gary won 2 US amateur championships in the 1960's so was invited in to play in the Masters. Anyway one morning Jerry Barber approached him at Agusta and asked if he had a practice time booked for the next day and invited Gary to join him at 1015 am. Gary said thank you very much he would love to. Gary is warming up then goes over to the practice green to putt and there were about 2-3000 people surrounding the putting green so Gary searched out Jerry and said "would it be possible to head out now so there isn't so we can get away from the crowd?" Jerry says, "sorry Gary, get used to it, we are playing with Ben Hogan today" lol... there is more to the story and Gary wrote a book about his golfing years and the rest of the story is in his book, a good read by the way. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

I am going to nominate Tour Edge and the few others that use that one as the worst. I don't remember exactly but it uses a bit of a hybrid system that wasn't straight forward to figure out and was a little on the big side. I'll add that at the time we didn't sell as many, but just not one I enjoyed working with. 

Also not a huge knock, but the little window on cobra wasn't the most idea especially on wet and muddy conditions ans it was a pain to clean. However I did prefer theirs as far as simplicity. 

[GolfSpy_BNG]

6 hours ago, TylorJudd said:

Callaway was the most confusing to be my first one. S for "stated" was a poor choice. It would be nice if you could go 2 down on the optifit as well. Callaway's ability to leave shaft orientation in place is so understated. 

There are 3 different opti-fit 2 adapters currently available. The regular +2/-1, the red dot that flattens the lie more, and a green dot that allows for +1/-2. I believe I read or watched a video where @JohnnyCallawaymentioned that the green dot starts at -.5* and then goes -2*. So technically it’s a -2.5* adapter. I could be miss remembering though.  Hopefully he sees the mention and can verify for us. 

[TylorJudd]

3 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

There are 3 different opti-fit 2 adapters currently available. The regular +2/-1, the red dot that flattens the lie more, and a green dot that allows for +1/-2. I believe I read or watched a video where @JohnnyCallawaymentioned that the green dot starts at -.5* and then goes -2*. So technically it’s a -2.5* adapter. I could be miss remembering though.  Hopefully he sees the mention and can verify for us. 

I had no idea there were three

[GolfSpy_BNG]

30 minutes ago, TylorJudd said:

I had no idea there were three

The red dot(flat) and green dot(-2*) were Tour only for a while. I believe they are being made available retail now. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

2 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

The red dot(flat) and green dot(-2*) were Tour only for a while. I believe they are being made available retail now. 

I'll be curious to go into a few shops and see if they have those options.

[JohnnyCallaway]

On 1/15/2023 at 8:52 AM, blackngold_blood said:

The red dot(flat) and green dot(-2*) were Tour only for a while. I believe they are being made available retail now. 

https://worldofwunder.callawaygolf.com/101-cogszn/

 

Here you go

[GolfSpy_BNG]

18 minutes ago, JohnnyCallaway said:

https://worldofwunder.callawaygolf.com/101-cogszn/

 

Here you go

Awesome. I thought I remember a video where you mentioned the green dot adapter starts .5* less in standard. Must have been imaging that one lol

[TylorJudd]

1 hour ago, JohnnyCallaway said:

https://worldofwunder.callawaygolf.com/101-cogszn/

 

Here you go

Thank you for that info!

[Berg Ryman]

For ease of understanding loft set-up I think Cobra had it nailed with the older school My-Fly with all the lofts in the head listed, but for ease of use and practicality of adjustment, I think it's Opti-Fit now because of the lack of shaft orientation change. For the worst one I'd probably say Srixon... that thing confused a lot of people, myself included when I tried it and I like to think I'm pretty smart.

[null]

Ping.  Nice and clean. 

[GolfSpy_BNG]

23 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

Awesome. I thought I remember a video where you mentioned the green dot adapter starts .5* less in standard. Must have been imaging that one lol

I found the video. About the 6:40 mark JW says the green dot adapter starts about .5* strong then adjust 2* from there. 

 

[Bobbers]

I enjoy the Callaway OptiFit adapter.  As a 'hack" I simply use the LH adapter (I'm a right handed golfer) if I want to be able to go down 2 degrees/up 1 degree  with a particular driver head.  Just have to remember to read it in "reverse".

[GolfSpy_BNG]

8 hours ago, Bobbers said:

I enjoy the Callaway OptiFit adapter.  As a 'hack" I simply use the LH adapter (I'm a right handed golfer) if I want to be able to go down 2 degrees/up 1 degree  with a particular driver head.  Just have to remember to read it in "reverse".

You can also buy a green dot adapter and use the greens dot cogs in a regular one. I have done this before as I didn’t want to pull the other adapter. 

[Bobbers]

2 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said:

You can also buy a green dot adapter and use the greens dot cogs in a regular one. I have done this before as I didn’t want to pull the other adapter. 

That's good to know, thank you.

[hd1344]

Preference, just based on readily-available data would be the Titleist adpaters. Sure Fit diagram is readily available & conveys both lie/loft effective adjustments upfront.

I don't mind any of the others - but some companies having alternative hosels without the information being overtly accessible/available is a chore.

I play from a flat lie position - so having this information available definitely informs my purchase decisions, since a lot is geared to upright hosels anyhow - nothing like having a mystery hosel available, but only on need to know or after-market basis - adding costs to clubs that are veering on ridiculously expensive off the rack.

[AH1980MN]

Completely from memory- but doesn't Honma have an adapter that works similarly to Callaway's? Also, are we considering weight, or has that been made moot by modern weight-saving materials/designs?