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Callaway Epic Speed – Official MGS Forum Review by MaxEntropy

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Intro

First, thanks to MGS and Callaway for the opportunity – it is always an honor to be able to see how new products perform in the hands of an “ordinary Joe.”

My name is Blake and I am a 53-year-old living in Akron, Ohio. I caught the golfing bug after graduating from college in 1991 (Go Zags!) and generally played a couple times per month through the 1990’s into the early 2000’s, with a few years of playing in leagues that got me on the course more. With the help of a couple friends and a single lesson that corrected a huge swing flaw, I got my “unofficial” handicap down to around a 14 (18 holes). At that time, my game was all about distance. I could not hit a wood to save my life, so 4i was my go-to off the tee. A solid strike was usually in the 240-yard range, so I saw no need to really worry about woods.

Life smacked me in the face pretty hard in the mid-2000’s and my clubs stayed in the basement for the better part of ten years. A friend encouraged me to get out with him a few times in the mid-2010’s and I’ve become fanatical about golf since then and I joined MyGolfSpy in 2017 in my pursuit of learning more about equipment, techniques, rules, etc.

By the time I started playing again, age had started catching up with me and I had become more out of shape than I would prefer. I can’t even hit a 4i anymore, much less get 240 out of it, so it became apparent to me I needed to figure out how to hit a driver.

For my age/handicap, I am pretty long and being an official tester for SuperSpeed last year was a great help. My baseline swing speed was 102 mph and I peaked at 120 mph near the end of the test period. I have taken the PRGR radar to the course with me a few times, and I will still typically be in the 110-mph range. Not bad for an out-of-shape old(er) fart! I’ve been in a league now for 4 years – I started as a 10 HC (9 holes) and have dropped steadily to the point that about 3 weeks ago I dropped to a 6.  In my opinion, there are two primary reason for the improvement: 1) I am slowly figuring out how to swing a driver (trial and error); and 2) I have become more risk averse when I am in trouble. I used to favor the “spectacular” shot with the low probability of success because DAMN it feels good when you pull it off that 1 time out of 50! Now, I’m more likely to take my medicine and rely on scrambling to minimize the damage. Even then, execution is sometimes an issue.

I wish I could say I have an Ernie Else or Fred Couples swing, but I don’t. I tend to have quick-ish tempo with an aggressive transition. See for yourself…

This video was taken the day after going to the gym for the first time in over a year – not optimal swing, but you get the idea.

My typical ball flight is high, usually with some fade to it. Historically, the banana slice has been my big miss, but over the last few years, I’ve developed a terrible two-way miss when swinging driver with near equal probability the ball is going left or right. 🤦‍♂️

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It’s not as bad as it seems, though…oh who am I kidding, it SUCKS! How do you play to your tendency when there isn’t one?!?!? The image above is all drives since I started using Arccos (Aug 2019). The left misses tend to be less tragic than the right on average, so I still play for the ball wanting to go right. From my fitting, I learned that my path is fairly consistent (at least it was that day), so getting/keeping the face where it needs to be is a big issue, which leads to driving being my biggest weakness. The closer I get to the hole, the stronger my game becomes with putting being my biggest strength.

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Arccos also tells me that, even though my accuracy off the tee is detrimental, my distance is a strength. Over the last 20 rounds:

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My current gamer is a TaylorMade M5 9* I purchased from @MattF in the offseason after he bought his new Titleist. He was playing it with an EvenFlow Blue (stiff), but it also came with a Tensei CK Orange (stiff). Although I had never been fit, I had played around enough at hitting bays in various stores to know that something about the CK Orange agreed with my swing. It didn’t take me long to figure out the CK Orange was my clear choice. I have one of the weights in the “low” position and the other set to “draw”. This has resulted in much better ball flight so I can now get some roll out of my drives! I also love the sound the M5 makes on solid contact. I don’t even really know how to describe it, but it almost seems wood-like rather than metallic to me. Whatever it is, it’s a great sound!

I have this strange mental conflict when it comes to pulling a driver – I know the stats generally say SEND IT and I probably get myself into more trouble than I should by being aggressive (especially with the width of my dispersion cone), but my primary goal with driver is pretty simple – hit the ball as far as I can and hope it ends up some place that leaves me a shot at the green. Most of the courses I play don’t have super long rough, so there really isn’t too much of a penalty for missing the fairway – just give me a shot and I can score better.

I typically play tees in the 6200-6500 yard range. At that length, I probably have the ability to reach about half of the par 5’s in two, depending on the course. At our league course, reaching 3 of the 4 of them in two is not a problem with a decent drive and the 4th is gettable with two perfect shots (which means I’ve never reached in 2). Our league course also happens to be relatively short (5900 yards from the tees we play) so many of the par 4's are little more than a wedge to the green if my drive is in play.

Why did I sign up for the Speed rather than the Max LS? When the announcement first came out, I was attracted to the Max LS due to its design goal of killing spin. Then reading Tony Covey's release article, I saw the following statement: “LS is a relative term. The Epic Max LS is low spin relative to the Epic Max but should generate appreciably more spin than the Mavrik Sub Zero did. In fact, if you’re looking for a new Callaway driver that offers launch and spin characteristics on par with last year’s Sub Zero, your best bet is the buy the Epic Speed and turn the loft down by one degree.” He also made a comment to the effect that the Speed version should be the best fit for the majority of golfers. Good enough for me!

First Impressions

Disclaimer: I have preconceived notions about Callaway – I am not really a fan of the company as a whole. They strike as more of a marketing machine than someone making technological advances and letting the product speak for itself (right or wrong, that’s my perception). A friend has some Apex CF16 irons that I’ve hit a few times, and I don’t like them. The ball test 2 years ago (and the backlash from Callaway employees on social media) did nothing the dissuade my thoughts. With that said, I played a RAZR Fit 3 wood for a few years that I absolutely loved and have considered testing it against my current Bridgestone 3W. I am also a fan of the Stroke Lab putter I tested a couple summers ago, so even with my thoughts about the company, I like to think I am open-minded enough to play what helps me score better.

These days, even though the marketing hype around Jailbreak/AI Speed Frame and Flash Face are substantial, the technology behind the marketing at least sounds legit to me. According to Callaway, both Flash Face and AI Speed Frame are intended to help with forgiveness by maintaining speed on off-center strikes. Is this true? So far, I have seen some very good forgiveness on balls hit very high on the face, so that’s encouraging. Nothing in on the heel or too far out on the toe just yet, so we’ll have to see.

I understand my inability to hit a driver consistently is very much a “me” thing, but the questions I have is will the forgiveness built into these heads help? What role will playing a shaft that is closer to optimized mean for me? I won’t recap my shaft fitting – it’s described in detail in the comments, but I ended up with the Epic Speed 9* with the MMT 70 X-stiff. I ordered an Align grip, but due to an error in the build, it is currently on a MMT 70 Stiff shaft sitting in my basement. I blew a fairly new SuperStroke Cross Comfort Midsize off my old SW and it is now on the Epic. The good news is that, time permitting, I can do some testing with the Stiff version to help determine if any improvement is related to the shaft, the head, or both.

In the short time I have played the M5, I have grown to like it, so in order for the Epic Speed to kick it out of the bag, I am going to need to see something substantial to warrant it. For me, that means a measurable (statistically significant) improvement in dispersion, preferably with similar distance. I need something that finds less trouble! I saw a comment from @chisag in one of the threads related to distance. Something to the effect that a shot on the same line as his 260-yard drive in the rough that carries 300 will find a lot more trouble. This fact is not lost on me and had me concerned during the SuperSpeed testing. Specifically, that I was going to find myself in more trouble in new places that were previously unreachable to me. Fortunately, I can only think of a couple occurrences where that has likely been the case, but I hope the Epic Speed is able to help as much as it can in the hands of someone like me.

Let’s get on to the pictures….

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The glossy black carbon fiber crown is very attractive to me. I typically prefer more of a matte finish because smudges show up so easily with high gloss. With the black MMT shaft and gray grip, I think the package looks very good to me.

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The head shape is nice and looks good behind a ball. One thing I have noticed is that if I let a driver sit on the ground how it wants to naturally, the M5 wants to open up the face, whereas the Epic Speed stays pretty neutral. I wonder if this tendency has any effect on me psychologically, thinking I have to try to get the face square knowing it wants to be open. Real effect or placebo, I have no idea, just a thought.

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I tried to do my best to make sure the perspective was the same in the above pics. Although I failed, I think it does illustrate my point – the M5 naturally wants to sit open.

The graphics on the sole are OK – a little busier than I prefer, especially without any weight tracks to add to it, but I do like the color scheme. This is of no concern to me as I never see the sole except when I am taking off/putting on the head cover (or posing it for pictures).

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I really like the head cover. Yes, it is a tight fit initially, but it has already started to loosen up some. My only concern is it being primarily white – me and white don’t mix. I’m sure I’ll find a way to spill coffee on it even though I almost never have coffee on the course. I am being careful, though. I want it to look as pristine as possible for as long as possible.

My primary intention with testing is to rent some simulator time to get firm numbers on both drivers – hopefully enough swings to determine whether any differences are statistically significant. Do those numbers translate to the course?

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Thanks again to MGS and Callaway. It's time to have some fun!

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Driver: :taylormade-small: M5 10.5* (set at 8.5*) Tensei CK Orange
3W: :bridgestone-small: Tour B JGR 15* Recoil 460ES
3H, 4H: :bridgestone-small: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES
4-AW:  :bridgestone-small: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105
SW: :cleveland-small: Zipcore Black Satin 54*
LW: :cleveland-small: Zipcore Black Satin 58*
Putter: :odyssey-small: Stroke Lab Marxman
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Ball: :taylormade-small: TP5x Pix
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2021 Test - Callaway Epic Speed

 

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Callaway Epic Speed Driver – Official MGS Forum Review by Rob Westendorf (Siamese Moose)

Intro

Let me start by thanking MyGolfSpy and Callaway Golf for this wonderful opportunity! I will do my best to live up to everyone's expectations.

I am 61, and currently have a 6.4 handicap. I have been as low as a 2 about a decade ago, but in the last four years really turned into a "senior" golfer. I've been through two back surgeries and a right shoulder A/C joint repair, and have consequently lost about 15 mph on my driver speed, and a lot on my back stamina. Due to these injuries my swing had become a miserable patchwork of compensations and band-aids, and last year I started working again with my old instructor (Steve Nelson, Miles of Golf - Cincinnati) to build a new swing that's easier on my body as well as more effective. The changes are quite large, so I am still working on eliminating years of muscle memory. I don't have a video of my old swing, but it was ugly enough that it would frighten you. My new swing has a medium to medium-quick tempo (down from super quick), and I am still working on slowing it down further, which is where I am getting my best results. My swing speed is 94-95 mph, and I generate very low spin numbers. My driver flight is about medium height, usually very little curvature, often a slight pull. Compared to my friends, driving is one of my strengths. I was fitted last October for a Ping G410 with an Aldila NV2K orange shaft in stiff at 45". I have been very happy with this driver, and it's hard to imagine doing better. We will see! I like being aggressive with the driver. I usually choose tees in the 6400 yard range, and for most local courses that gives me at least one chance to reaching a par 5 in two in most rounds. 

My comments for this review are going to run a couple weeks behind the other testers. I recently suffered a cras h in a bike race, and have a hairline fracture of my T6 vertebrae, and a rather painful contusion on my back. I have started playing again, but I'm not yet swinging freely, so it's hard to make judgements on a driver. For that same reason I don't yet have a video of my driver swing, but I do have this with a hybrid:

I was fitted for the Epic Speed by Eric Hensler (also Miles of Golf), and the stock Project X HZRDUS Smoke Green was the best fit. Eric fitted me to 44.75", but unfortunately the club was delivered at 44" However, a new shaft should be here soon. In the meantime there's nothing stopping me from playing it at the shorter length. That means, however, that I should be able to get some numbers on the two different shaft lengths, which is a common topic of discussion here. I will add that my instructor generally prefers seniors to go with a longer shaft, not for swing speed, but in that it promotes a flatter swing that is more around the body, and for most of us that is a more comfortable and repeatable motion.

First Impressions

The club is gorgeous! It's a nice gloss black with a simple alignment mark (Callaway's trademark chevron), and while "Epic" is written across the back edge, I don't notice that at address. Compared to my G410 it has a very simlar shape, just slightly shorter heel to toe and slightly deeper:PXL_20210716_130710589.jpg

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Callaway touts it's "Jailbreak Speed Frame" construction, which they say "Improves stability in horizontal and torsional direction for increased ball speeds across the face." My big miss, which comes when I'm tired, is to lose my spine angle and pull up and away on the downswing, leading to hits high on the toe. Improved performance on that miss is my Holy Grail, and that might well be the aspect I'm looking for the most from this club.PXL_20210716_133615824.jpg.1602819dba88de10919690ae16a19a73.jpg

As I mentioned, I got fit for this club. I could have easily have gotten the loft right myself, and the slight draw bias matches the weight settings I have my my Ping. The fitting was primarily about the shaft. I learned long ago that I like counter balanced shafts, going back to the old Harmon Tour Design HTD series of the 90's. It's why I have Aldila NV shafts in all of my woods. The HZRDUS Smoke is right in there, and i liked it as soon as I first tried it in the fitting. We tested at 44", 44.75", and 46" (the three lengths Eric had available). My center hits at 44.75" were better than at 44", but at 46" I was awful. So 44.75" it is! Like most modern drivers it has an adjustable hosel, but unlike my Ping, where the adjustments are fine tuning, the Callaway has bigger changes. I essentially have four options: Standard loft and lie (10.5° and 59°), +2° loft aPXL_20210716_141106551.jpgnd standard lie, +1° loft plus draw lie, and -1° loft and draw lie. Based on my earliest swings I won't be changing from the standard setting. 

I have played a little with the club so far, but since my back is still crash sore, I don't want to pass any judgement this early. My intial impression is good, but I have no numbers yet. (I will make one early observation: compared to the G410 the sound is a lower pitched "thwack", and it sounds more powerful, and I like it.) Going forward I will be playing as much as I can, and whenever possible will hit both the Epic and G410 and chart my results. I have a Trackman session scheduled for July 27th, and I plan to have numbers for both drivers, as well as both shaft lengths for the Epic. I should also have a video of my driver swing up soon as well. Wish me luck in healing, and thanks again to Callaway for the opportunity! 

 

 

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Introduction

First off thanks to MSG for selecting me as a tester for the Epic Max LS and for Callaway for offering the testing opportunity. I started golfing with my Dad around 12 and played a lot in high school before a lull around college, but now I am back. I have been getting more serious about the game in the past couple years, and as a person who works with data well MSG was a site I really liked.

So… about that golf game. I have been self-taught all this time (code for never 100% sure what I am doing and always working on something) but have backed into a halfway decent game. Putting is probably the strongest part of my game with things getting worse the further back from the green we go. Which of course means driving is the biggest issue. I have always fought a slice and now that I understand the swing more adding too much dynamic loft. This means I am always down to try a new driver to help get that swing into shape.

So, with this test I am looking forward to working with a driver that has a more forward center of gravity to help with dynamic loft and to keep the spin manageable. Of course, Callaway’s biggest driver story has been jailbreak now the AI Speed Frame coupled with the AI Flash Face. To go with this speed Callaway has moved their low spin version in their more forgiving driver shape, now its speed and forgiveness, what’s not to like. To top it off the rear movable weight can affect COG and closure rates of the clubs. What can’t this club do? The real question is does it matter? Well let’s get busy finding out.

Testing Strategy

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  • Shot Scope for strokes gained data
  • Measured GC Quad performance including
  • Ball speed
  • Spin Rates
  • Dispersion
  • Ball speed retention of off-center hits (I mean I never mishit it)
  • Launch
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I hope to deliver some cool looking charts about this data to make it exciting. I know exciting charts is a bit of an oxymoron but trust me I do that for a living. The overall goals will be if this driver can reduce spin and manage launch without sacrificing dispersions this will be a home run of a test. 

First Impressions

It all started as all these tests do, with a long brown box…

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The only tool for a job like this, the golf swiss army knife,  I knew my Dad gave this to me for a reason 693387372_PXL_20210619_010315338(1).jpg.257f1ae920221c691a537588c8b5ea4a.jpg. Opening this was like Christmas in the summer! The box was very well packed and looked well cared for, and there was a great attention to detail. I also really like the personal card with the specs of your order on it. As my first MSG test I might just have to frame this on and put in in my office 

First impressions are that this club looks absolutely great. With the shiny carbon crown, chev log and small epic and the back of the club head. A nice clean look, with that hint of tech, a nice balance for sure. The sole of the club has a nice color scheme, with the carbon toe section. I really like my choice of the HZRDUS Smoke Black and the Lamkin UTx with green cap, which in all honesty color matching was the main reason for picking that grip. It was a good call large.PXL_20210716_133359629.jpg.4a87e5fffa7f6875105720b76b311770.jpgby me as the club looks sharp. Will it help me hit it better of course no, but I sure will look good slicing it into the woods.

The bottom might be a little busy for some but coming from the Cobra SZ Extreme it looks almost a bit understated by comparison. Speaking of comparisons, the shape is indeed elongated some, that more modern look, and very similar to the SZ Extreme. One change is obviously the Max LS has the weight adjustability which the fiddler in me will probably mover around way too many times.

One tiny negative is that the head cover is currently a bit tough to put on, but I am sure that will get easier as I use it more, which of course will be a lot now. Overall, this is everything I expected and more. I can't wait to get to the range and the course and give this a baby a whirl. And early returns are that if you hit the ball as you intend then yes it does go well off the tee. Stay tuned for more!

 

 

 

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:callaway-small: Epic Max LS HZRDUS Smoke Black 70g 6.5 | :taylormade-small: '07 Burner 15° Reax 50 Stiff 

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:ping-small:  I500 5 - UW Red Dot Dynamic Gold S300 | :Hogan: Equalizer 52° / 56° KBS Tour V 110 Stiff

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MyGolfSpy- Callaway Epic Max LS Review

Stage 1 Introduction/Initial Impressions

 

I can’t thank MGS enough for the opportunity to review another product and especially one so coveted as the Callaway Epic Max LS! I was fortunate enough to review and test Bridgestone e12’s back in 2019 (or as we know it the Pre-Covid era…) I guess I didn’t mess that review up enough for them to banish me to the cellar of the forum, so again thank you MyGolfSpy for the opportunity.

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As for myself, I’m a 37-year-old civil engineer from the beautiful Cumberland Plateau in Tennessee. I live in what is known as the “Golf Capital of Tennessee”. Crossville, TN is a wonderful place to visit, vacation and play golf as there are several courses with great layouts. I have played golf for almost 30 years now and played all sorts of sports growing up. I was fortunate to play baseball in college at Tennessee Tech University and have spent my after-college competitiveness solely on golf. I have probably improved from a 12 handicap in college to my peak last year of 4.2 GHIN. I’m currently carrying a 5.1 but we had a new addition to my family last summer and its be harder to sneak out and get rounds in for the past 12 months.  
 

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I am blessed with a wonderful garage practice area complete with a SkyTrak, Bridieball Putting green and other various golf improvement tools. So, while the rounds have been slimmer so far this year, I have practiced more than ever. I really feel confident every time I step up to hit the ball and there is never that feeling uncertainty over the ball.

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As for my game, I feel like the strength of my golf game comes from my ability to create speed and distance with the driver and use my wedges to hit greens and give myself opportunities for bridies/pars. Of course, with distance sometimes comes inaccuracy as I often have more “Penalty” strokes in a round than I would prefer due to OB and hazard balls. I’m always looking for increased accuracy and dispersion with the driver and am excited to see how the EPIC Max LS compares to my current Ping G410LST.

In 2018 after reading MGS reviews/tests and taking instruction from a local PING pro I decided to get fitted for the Ping G400. The pro fit me into a PING G400 LST, that eventually cracked and was replaced with a PING G410 Plus that I swapped for a PING G410 LST last fall. I have been super pleased with the change as I’m certainly a golfer that needs to keep his backspin numbers down with the driver. Typically, I carry the driver around 275-280 yards with a swing speed around 110-115. With a strength of my game being my distance, I like to take advantage of it as often as I can on par 5s and be as aggressive as I can reasonably be. My strategy being to hit second shots as close to the green as possible on every par 5.

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Over the past year I have changed ball flight with my driver from someone who has always fought a fade/slice to hitting a more draw bias. It has been challenging but getting to practice whenever I want has been key to making slight adjustments to my swing. I added a new set of irons to my bag as well, playing the new Mizuno JPX-921’s.

But enough about myself, y’all didn’t come here to date my golf game, y’all came for the Bombs, activated calves and the shiny new Callaway Driver!

On June 18th this beauty arrived on my doorstep, it was a bittersweet arrival as Callaway sent a stiff shaft and not X stiff flex shaft that I was fit for.

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The actually fitting was an adventure all itself, as I was notified I had been selected for this test a few days before a 10 day vacation, so I had to drive an hour during the vacation to the closest PGA Superstore to try out shafts and clubhead lofts. Of course, any reason to visit a PGA Superstore is always a plus for any vacation. 

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The fitting was probably one of my worst driving sessions in months but after trying out half a dozen X stiff shafts I settled on the stock MMT 60. The shaft felt extremely similar to the KuroKage shaft that is currently in my Ping G410 driver. After my original driver fitting in 2018, I have come to realize the importance of being fit for the proper shaft, especially for the longest and fastest swinging club in your bag. If I could only be fit for one club in my bag it would certainly be the driver.

The PGA Superstore fitting was also the first opportunity to put the Callaway Epic Max LS against my current gamer. With both clubs having 9 degrees of loft, similar X shafts and weights set to fade bias, my initial impression is this is going to be a very close contest to see which club comes out on top, as the ball speed, backspin and sidespin numbers were all extremely similar.

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When I compare the two drivers’ side by side, I will have to say I’m excited that the Epic Max LS seems to have a smaller profile and slightly larger footprint. The shape reminds me more of the G400 LST I had a few years ago. While I have never been a huge fan of the Callaway chevron for alignment, I also didn’t like the Ping turbulators at first either and have grown to love them.

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Let’s talk about the “Jailbreak Speed Frame” for a moment, as a structural engineer I’m very familiar with how frames work and where they are supposed to reinforce structural members. I can see a benefit to the frame over the two Jailbreak bars to give added reinforcement to the face structure. I think the claim from Callaway is that the reinforcement helps with off-center hits. It makes sense to me that by reinforcing the bottom and crown of the club you are restricting the twisting forces that would be on the clubface during an off-center hit. What I’m not certain of is how much the impact of a golf ball on the clubface puts stress on the bottom and crown of the club. I would think perhaps with the thin metal of the crown and sole it might have added benefit, but we shall see.

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Once the correct shaft arrives (and I’m praying it will be very soon) I’m ready to hit the ground running with testing and comparing the clubs. I’ve got the SkyTrak ready to give me accurate numbers as well as an opportunity to run different tests every day and look closely at ball speed and spin numbers. I’ve also got several upcoming tournaments and practice rounds I’ll be playing in the next few weeks, so I’ll have lots of course experience with the Epic Max LS as well.

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It’s going to take a lot to knock the Ping G410 LST out of my bag. I’ve already shared some screen shots from a round on Father’s Day weekend where the ole Ping was already starting to put up a fight. If the Callaway can do as it claims and keep mishits straighter and can tighten my dispersion, then it will certainly win the spot in the bag. I’ve always been a golfer that makes a decision with a club and sticks with it until the club has become technologically obsolete, so having two drivers only one generation apart to choose from is going to be new ground for me. Hopefully in the coming weeks it will become abundantly clear which one works best for me and my journey will help those of you reading make a decision on what’s right for your game.

I can’t emphasis enough how thankful I am that MGS entrusted this test and review to me and I’ll work hard to pay back that trust.

 

 

 

 

 

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:ping-small: G410 LST 9° Mitsubishi Kuro Kage Silver Dual-Core TiNi X-Stiff
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2021 Callaway Epic Max LS Driver Test

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On 7/23/2021 at 9:39 PM, DannyDips said:

Today was the day! MMT 60 in X arrived late into the evening so once the kids were in bed the garage got… bombed… 💣💣💣


So couple things I should mention first about SkyTrak. For some reason the developers have still not found a way to deal with “spin degradation”. In other words, side spin is amplified often on longer shots, fades look like slices, draws look like hooks. For my own game, when I’m looking at side spin less than 1k is ideal. Also, swing speed numbers are calculated not measured so I never pay attention to those, I assume they base it off the ball speed as that is what they are measuring.

To eliminate variables I only used Bridgestone Tour BX balls on the launch monitor. 
 

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For my practice session I did my normal warm up followed by ten shots with Epic Max, 10 shots with G410 and then several more with the Epic to get used to it more. The first 20 are shown above. 
 

So one of the things I noticed tonight was how the solid the Epic face felt at impact. It felt more like a hammer hitting a nail than what I’d describe as tennis racket hitting a tennis ball for the G410. It was also a quieter sound which I actually preferred.


Let the grinding begin!

Launching higher with the LS but higher ball speed with the G410.  10yds carry difference on average.  For whatever reason, the LS is longer.

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy_CS said:

Launching higher with the LS but higher ball speed with the G410.  10yds carry difference on average.  For whatever reason, the LS is longer.

So I'm day three into testing both on the Skytrak. What I'm noticing as a tendency is the Ping drives are longer when hit straight/slight draw, but the Callaway seems to produce a more consistent ball fight. I may tweak the lofts some on both to see if I can get the launch and back spin numbers as close together as possible, I think that would be ideal for seeing what the differences are.  I'll get some outdoor practice in this week too so I can actually see ball flight and where they both land in the fairway. 

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Another range session last night. Normally I have the G410 set to flat 1° With 10° loft. So to add a little launch and hopefully not too much backspin I changed it to standard with 10.5° loft. I also raised the loft on the Epic from 9° to 10° just for comparison. I hit 12 shots and dropped the worst 2, here are the results:
 

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I will say I feel like next time I will alternate drivers instead of hitting a dozen with one and a dozen with the other. I want to eliminate any bias that may come from hitting one club first, as I felt like my swings were better with the G410. You can see the last 4 swings with the Epic were not as quality as the first five, I do feel like I have to work harder to get the ball speed of the Epic up to 170, but it still seems to be straighter. Excited to get outside this week and see some real ball flight. 

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Tonight I decided to alternate shots with the Ping G410 and the Epic Max LS to eliminate the possibility of being tired or not properly warmed up and effecting my data. I’ve also pretty much got down the best settings for both drivers. 

Ping G410 LST set to 10° loft, 1° flat

Epic Max LS set to 9° loft, Standard

Ping won the tee flip and elected to go first in the testing so all odd numbered shots will be with Ping, even with the Callaway. 

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It was one great driving session tonight, it was the first time I managed to get the Epic ball speed up to 170 (which is kinda my goal ball speed when practicing) and hit that mark multiple times. 

Shot #8 for example was a gem, best shot of the night.

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Looks like I hit 170+ ball speed 4x with Epic and 4x with the G410. Looks like carry distance was 270+ 4x with Epic and 4x with G410. Looks like total distance had three longest drives for each as: Epic at 310, 305 and 302 with G410 having 302, 300, and 296. 

It was certainly one of my best range sessions with the driver and these number are close but the Callaway looks to have a slight edge tonight. 

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On 7/22/2021 at 8:25 PM, B.Boston said:

I played games on mine. 🤣🤣🤣

don’t want to derail this thread. So here’s an Epic Max LS thought….

it must really be as “neutral” as they say. Because I’m playing it -1 and the weight is in the toe and I’m hitting the same shots as my Speedzone in +1.5 setting.  same shaft too. 

have you guys noticed any more or less bias compared to your prior gamers? 

 

On 7/22/2021 at 8:57 PM, ejgaudette said:

I noticed this so far. With it being a bit flatter the pills I sometimes get are much better than with my SZ Extreme even though the 9° should be a little flatter. Just overall yes seems to be more neutral and stable in the Max LS even though the Extreme is also a forgiving head.

My experience definitely leans toward the Max LS being more neutral or fade-biased than anything else I've hit in the past few years. Haven't hit a single snap hook since it went in the bag a few weeks ago (famous last words). Anything hit left of where I'm aimed is either a straight pull or a tiny, tiny draw at most. Lots of straight or very slight fades, and this is with the 9 degree head at -1/D and weight in full draw position.

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43 minutes ago, edingc said:

 

My experience definitely leans toward the Max LS being more neutral or fade-biased than anything else I've hit in the past few years. Haven't hit a single snap hook since it went in the bag a few weeks ago (famous last words). Anything hit left of where I'm aimed is either a straight pull or a tiny, tiny draw at most. Lots of straight or very slight fades, and this is with the 9 degree head at -1/D and weight in full draw position.

Interesting.  While I've been testing the Motore X vs Ventus both seem to work at -1/N for me, and the Motore X prefers the weight in the fade position, Ventus Draw, which sort of makes sense given the added tip stability.  I've been seeing straight 💣 to 15ish yard fades.  Any time it goes left is like you said a slight pull or gentle draw.  That only snappers have been completely my fault playing around with my swing haha.  And the only ones I've really sent flying right were bad swipey swings.  

I really do feel like this is a more forgiving head than the Speedzone was.  But I'll need a lot more rounds to prove it.  

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9 hours ago, DannyDips said:

Tonight I decided to alternate shots with the Ping G410 and the Epic Max LS to eliminate the possibility of being tired or not properly warmed up and effecting my data. I’ve also pretty much got down the best settings for both drivers. 

Ping G410 LST set to 10° loft, 1° flat

Epic Max LS set to 9° loft, Standard

Ping won the tee flip and elected to go first in the testing so all odd numbered shots will be with Ping, even with the Callaway. 

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It was one great driving session tonight, it was the first time I managed to get the Epic ball speed up to 170 (which is kinda my goal ball speed when practicing) and hit that mark multiple times. 

Shot #8 for example was a gem, best shot of the night.

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Looks like I hit 170+ ball speed 4x with Epic and 4x with the G410. Looks like carry distance was 270+ 4x with Epic and 4x with G410. Looks like total distance had three longest drives for each as: Epic at 310, 305 and 302 with G410 having 302, 300, and 296. 

It was certainly one of my best range sessions with the driver and these number are close but the Callaway looks to have a slight edge tonight. 

whoa, that's awesome!  I'd expect those two drivers to be close.  Sounds like you're getting pretty dialed in with the Callaway settings you need for best performance.  170MPH ball speed is awesome!  My goal is 160+  

 

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9 hours ago, edingc said:

 

My experience definitely leans toward the Max LS being more neutral or fade-biased than anything else I've hit in the past few years. Haven't hit a single snap hook since it went in the bag a few weeks ago (famous last words). Anything hit left of where I'm aimed is either a straight pull or a tiny, tiny draw at most. Lots of straight or very slight fades, and this is with the 9 degree head at -1/D and weight in full draw position.

That actually makes a lot of sense. I’ve been fighting a hook the last year and I was surprised the Callaway shaft didn’t have an adjustment for “flat” like my Ping but I haven’t really needed it either. Ball flight with the Epic on the Skytrak has been straighter than I feel like my Ping usually is. 

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Last night in league was a decent driving night - tried to keep my swing a little flatter like I reported last week. Of the 5 driving holes, I hit three waaayyyy up on the face (like the ball mark on the face was only half the ball - yeah, that high). So far I'm very impressed at the distance on those kind of strikes and the trajectory was not what I'd expect - higher than normal but not a moon ball. Contrary to earlier reports, it is in fact possible for me to pull/hook this driver. Fortunately, the hole I did it on has about an acre to bail out in that direction. Makes the second shot longer, but usually playable if you're far enough left. Here are screen caps of the 5 drives:

Hole 2 (pull/toe hook - technology can't fix a terrible swing)

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Hole 4 (high on the face, very slight fade, but it could have been the wind?)

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Hole 6 (solid, slight pull, but otherwise straight as a string)

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Hole 7 (best drive of the night - uphill and into the wind, another straight one)

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Hole 8 (the woods right are a magnet for me, aimed left to play a fade, high on the face and straight. A tree killed it)

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Overall, I need confidence in direction, which I know will come if I keep seeing these type of results. 4 of the 5 drives were mostly straight with me set-up to fade. #8 - I'll always be in the trees left as I've lost too many balls in the dense woods to the right and it's in my head now. So you think I should just pull a hybrid? I've screwed that up too.

💣 💣's away!

 

 

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Got out for another round today with the Epic and things are still going well with the driver for sure. Swing is getting back in shape a bit, though still fitting the over fade a bit, but hit some really good ones. First time in a while I have had three over 250, and two over 260 in a round, still feel there is more there two if I ever play in the afternoon on a nice dry course. Today I also hit some comparisons to the SZ Extreme and it still confirms that the Epic is playing to my game much better.

For the whole year against a 5 handicap I am gaining 0.62 shots per round, this is across both drivers (no way to see SG for each club as best I can tell). Now in the the last 5 rounds tracked with the Epic (I missed one, but I felt I hit it good then as well), I am now gaining 1.53 shots per round with the driver. Still mostly playing on my home course with my same shots. I can only attribute this to the Max LS giving me more control and just being more comfortable with it, as distance is literally the same with the two clubs, the Max LS is the yellow one outlined one below (though that one 295 with the SZ might be skewing this a bit as the LS has seemed longer this whole time). 

Getting close to being ready to put this to bed and send the SZ packing, but I have a session with a QC Quad in a couple weeks that I will bring both to and hit some shots with both. Though more with the Epic to hopefully get some good data for some charts I want to build. 

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I had a Trackman session yesterday with my fitter (Eric), and he revealed something I missed: this club has the wrong shaft! The stock shaft is the Project X HZRDUS SMOKE IM10, and the shaft they sent is the Project X HZRDUS SMOKE Green (PVD) 60. The colors are virtually the same, and I missed the difference in graphics. The Green shaft is an upcharge model ($345) with a totally different bend profile. The IM10 is a mid launch and mid spin model for a moderate tempo, while the Green is a low spin low trajectory model for a quick tempo. I thought the extra stiffness was just because it was a shorter length, but Eric said he could see me swinging differently as I was apparently trying to get more out of it. We're awaiting word on what Callaway wants to do, but in the meantime I have numbers with it as well as my original G410, plus Eric let me use his fitting head with the correct shaft, so I have those numbers as well. But first the ugly: Eric videoed my swing, and I can really see the faults that my coach is working on. In fairness, these videos were taken after alomst an hour of hitting drivers, so I was tired and falling back into old flaws.

 

Those flaws include overswinging (I go past parallel and transition too fast) and snatching it inside too quick. So numbers: First up, my own Ping G410 with an Aldila NV2K Orange shaft (this is an upcharge shaft from Ping). I'll add that we were alternating between clubs frequently, so we should have minimized any effects from fatigue (and I got tired!) or changing my swing to suit the club.

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I'd like a little more spin, but these numbers are pretty close to optimum for a 90ish swingspeed. I will make one excuse here. My speed is down a few mph becuase I hurt my back recently, and then got hit in the back by a stray golf ball, so I'm sore. (And no, they did not yell "Fore".)

Here are the numbers of the Epic Speed with the Green shaft:

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If I throw out the crazy high numbers for swing 2, which Eric thought was probably a measurement error, the average spin drops below 1900. The ball is falling out of the sky, and it's clearly not the right shaft for me, so let's move on to the shaft I should be playing, Here's the Epic Speed with the IM10 shaft:

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Realistically, there's nothing to pick between the Epic Speed and the G410. The spin was a little higher with the Epic, as well as a little more consistent, but I think these numbers are all identical within statistical norms. The dispersion was also similar. Orange is the G410, red is the Epic Speed with the IM10, and purple is the Epic Speed with the Green shaft:

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I tried one more test: my big miss is spinning out, leading to a strike high on the toe. Callaway touts their Jailbreak technology as a way to improve ball speed everywhere on the face, so I wanted to see if I could get numbers for this miss. I wanted to wait to do this until the end, because I don't want to get in the habit of intentionally making flawed swings. Unfortunately, at the end I could not reliably make this flaw happen. 

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You could look at these numbers and think with a 30 yard loss in carry that I was getting usable data, but in the real world when I have this miss the ball goes well right. In this session these shots were going left, so whatever I was doing was not indicative of the real world. The shots in blue are the attempted toe strikes:

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Because the shots were going left and I was tired, we stopped here. In retrospect, I wish I had tried the same thing with the Epic Speed. Even if it's not my normal miss, it seemed to be a consistent miss, and it would have been interesting to compare between clubs. 

On the course I have been less consistent than these range numbers. I guess I have a little "performance anxiety" about hitting the fairway. I have a number of mediocre drives in the 220 yard range, but I also have an equal number in the 260 range. In the short term, now that I know about the wrong shaft, I'm going to sideline the Epic Speed until we learn what Callaway wants to do. But I'm also about to leave town for ten days, so I'm not playing anyway. I hope that by the time I get to play again it's all sorted, and I can get results from the course with the proper shaft. Until next time, I hope you're hitting them farther and straighter than me!

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Spent some time with just the Epic LS yesterday and it preformed very well…

 

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The toe hit was particularly interesting. I assumed it would carry in the 240-250 range and hook left of target. I probably caught more of the sweet spot than I thought or perhaps the speed frame does a little of what it claims too.

If anyone wants me to test anything specific this next week please let me know. I’ve done a lot of ball speed, launch, back spin comparisons and think I’m going to focus on shot dispersion next but I’m open to all suggestions. 

 

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Whoa!!!  😍

 

I'm rarely first for anything.  Yet here I am, with epic speed, the first signed up! 🤣😜

TA Putter is en route, so I'm sure I've met the quota, but there's always a chance 😉

 

I haven't tried many Callaway products.  Definitely curious to see how this review goes for everyone. 

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25 minutes ago, knightsofnii said:

Whoa!!!  😍

 

I'm rarely first for anything.  Yet here I am, with epic speed, the first signed up! 🤣😜

TA Putter is en route, so I'm sure I've met the quota, but there's always a chance 😉

 

I haven't tried many Callaway products.  Definitely curious to see how this review goes for everyone. 

Number 2 signed up... is this thing working? tap tap tap  🤣😍

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8 minutes ago, EasyPutter said:

Number 2 signed up... is this thing working? tap tap tap  🤣😍

haha,  "soft opening" for this one.  Once they announce on IG and twitter, etc, I'm sure it'll get hit in waves.  For now, we have 200% chance!!  🤣

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Good luck applicants! I loved my Xhot way back and wanted to like this but didnt play well at my fitting. Will still enjoy following this though...because driver

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5 minutes ago, knightsofnii said:

haha,  "soft opening" for this one.  Once they announce on IG and twitter, etc, I'm sure it'll get hit in waves.  For now, we have 200% chance!!  🤣

Sorry for reducing your odds but I had to sign up! What an opportunity!

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7 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Good luck applicants! I loved my Xhot way back and wanted to like this but didnt play well at my fitting. Will still enjoy following this though...because driver

Were you having a bad day at the fitting, or was it that particular driver, and you went with something else?  Just wondering, as I've had my share of the yips in fitting bays, I think I have a mental block with indoor sims.  😞 

 

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Sign me up.  Played yesterday and need a change in driver badly! 

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3 hours ago, knightsofnii said:

Whoa!!!  😍

 

I'm rarely first for anything.  Yet here I am, with epic speed, the first signed up! 🤣😜

TA Putter is en route, so I'm sure I've met the quota, but there's always a chance 😉

 

I haven't tried many Callaway products.  Definitely curious to see how this review goes for everyone. 

I am not first, but still it is shinny and new.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, tider said:

Sign me up.  Played yesterday and need a change in driver badly! 

 

Just when I thought my driver was trash, I go out last weekend and have one of my best rounds off the tee ever.   The middle of the G400 is as hot as anything, just have to find it 🤣.  Of course I still went and shot 101, go figure.  

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2 hours ago, xOldBenKenobiX said:

I am not first, but still it is shinny and new.

 

 

 

 

 

I see what you did there!!  LOL

 

 

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Ohhhhh man! Another top notch opportunity this year.

Thanks MGS for offering up this test, and good luck to those who apply!

💣 away! 🏌️

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Good luck all. Depending on my fitting tomorrow I may or may not apply. From what I have heard and seen others on the course, this is gonna be a great test

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Hope to test this and give a great, honest, review.   My TM driver is getting a little long in the tooth.    thanks for the opportunity

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21 minutes ago, knightsofnii said:

Were you having a bad day at the fitting, or was it that particular driver, and you went with something else?  Just wondering, as I've had my share of the yips in fitting bays, I think I have a mental block with indoor sims.  😞 

 

Oh no I was spanking the TSI3 and radspeed (purchased a rad speed, have a thread up in boom sticks if you want to check it out). PING was another that just wasn’t working for me for whatver reason. 

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11 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Oh no I was spanking the TSI3 and radspeed (purchased a rad speed, have a thread up in boom sticks if you want to check it out). PING was another that just wasn’t working for me for whatver reason. 

I still can't get over the sound the TSI3 was making when you hit it.  But that Radspeed hasn't disappointed on the course.  Well, hasn't disappointed you.  I'm disgusted by it.  Too far behind you now.  Need to pump up the swing speed and keep up.

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What a great opportunity!  Good luck to everyone!!

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14 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Oh no I was spanking the TSI3 and radspeed (purchased a rad speed, have a thread up in boom sticks if you want to check it out). PING was another that just wasn’t working for me for whatver reason. 

 

I want to try the RAD Speed in the worst way.  Cru ****in Jones!  

To my eyes, the only difference between Epic Speed and RAD Speed is like, the last digit of the pantone color. 😜

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10 minutes ago, knightsofnii said:

 

I want to try the RAD Speed in the worst way.  Cru ****in Jones!  

To my eyes, the only difference between Epic Speed and RAD Speed is like, the last digit of the pantone color. 😜

you must need to adjust your monitor. The Callaway green and white scheme is pretty classy this year. The Radspeed is pretty bold! I actually love the Red/White/blue Color on the cobra stuff this year, but @Lacassem didn’t feel like going 110% U.S.A. apparently. 

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The color combo has definitely improved in this version of the Epic line, I am still gaming the Epic Flash and still ain't in love with the looks, but am willing to overlook that for the performance. Good luck to everyone applying, this should be a fun review to follow. 

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7 minutes ago, B.Boston said:

you must need to adjust your monitor. The Callaway green and white scheme is pretty classy this year. The Radspeed is pretty bold! I actually love the Red/White/blue Color on the cobra stuff this year, but @Lacassem didn’t feel like going 110% U.S.A. apparently. 

 

You are correct, I'm just making jokes.  

I do like the possible nod to the Nike Vapor colors.  But, like you, I'd probably have picked the Cru Jones red/white/blue for Rad speed.  Still might 🙂 

It is in fact classy.  And a bit classic, with the ES having none of the movable slidey weight stuff going on.  

 

Callaway and Cobra should collab and co-brand a driver.  It would be so rad and so epic and so fast.  They could even name it Collabraway. 

But it would have a touch of flair and a touch of class and a metric s*** ton of tech.  🙂 

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1 minute ago, knightsofnii said:

 

You are correct, I'm just making jokes.  

I do like the possible nod to the Nike Vapor colors.  But, like you, I'd probably have picked the Cru Jones red/white/blue for Rad speed.  Still might 🙂 

It is in fact classy.  And a bit classic, with the ES having none of the movable slidey weight stuff going on.  

 

Callaway and Cobra should collab and co-brand a driver.  It would be so rad and so epic and so fast.  They could even name it Collabraway. 

But it would have a touch of flair and a touch of class and a metric s*** ton of tech.  🙂 

It does remind me of Nike's VOLT color.  I like what Cobra did with it.  In the bag when the head cover comes off it gets your attention but in play it's all business.  I didn't think I would like it after the first photo's started showing up, but it does look nice.  I know they added a sort of matte grey crown to some of the custom order stuff too.  I bet that would look great in person with the Turbo accents.

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