Bigdog55 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I am new member. Anyone using a single plane swing? DawgDaddy and CCRyder 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sproutland Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 My swing has no fewer than 4 planes. It is a wonder of quantum physics. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy mobile app MyWifesSwingCoach, kmaygolf, bullldog and 6 others 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrmull Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 My swing has no fewer than 4 planes. It is a wonder of quantum physics. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy mobile app Yes sir, who says the guys on tour have the corner on amazing? When we mid-to-high handicappers cover all the planes and swing styles, sometimes all in one swing, and still make contact with the ball, that definitely should fall into some kind of wonder category shouldn't it? L.I. Rich, Shapotomous and MyWifesSwingCoach 3 Quote WITB:Driver: Cobra King LTDFairway: Ping G25 (3)Hybrid: Ping i25 (22 degree)Crossover: Ping G 5Irons: Ping i25 (5 -PW)Wedges: Bridgestone J15 forged 50 and 55 degreePutter: Cleveland TFi Elevado w/ Winn Pro grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I have been using the single plane swing for about 10 years. I had a big slice and decided I couldn't play golf that way, so I looked into the SPS. It has definitely help me get from a 20 hcp to 9. If it is something you are thinking about it, I highly recommend seeing competent instructors before trying it yourself. I went to school here... http://moenormangolf.com Shapotomous and TheGolfHomePro 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielS Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Dear Friends in Golf: I am a avid golfer from a beautiful state MI. I am also a single plane golfer. Moe Norman is a one of key persons in the idea of One Plane golf swing as mentioned by Kenny B. Please watch a new pro Bryson Dechambeau, and he is using a One Plane. I personally think that One Plane swing is really the way to go because it solves so many problems. I am glad to find this discussion thread in this forum. Please check my bolg and ebook to find out more, where I studied and investigated a lot regarding One Plane swing. Thanks! TheGolfHomePro 1 Quote Be Simple and Consistent. Keep Basics. Be more forgiving. Be in Total Control. Sincerely, danielS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techie Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 I too have been using the SPS with the online Graves Institute who has had close ties with the Canadian golfer - Moe Norman. There are other instructors as well out there, but the Graves' brothers break it down so well ... Yeah you can spend a lot but even with a limited budget this online SPS makes golf fun and less effort. The old Ben Hogan book is still a fave to go back to reference as well. You can drop 10+ strokes. I am still wanting to improve, not to be on a Senior Circuit but more than just social bogey golf. Recently my "aha" moment has been happening recently with better GIR stats and drives off the tee using the Arccos system on the course. Aloha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Surprised noone mentioned Kuchar on here. Seems to be the most obvious single plane swinger on tour today. Recently picked up Jim Hardy's book and really looking forward to getting into it. The change (for me) wasn't as drastic as I thought and it - conceptually - is really rather simple... Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Axis1 TourHM Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Kuchar is close to a SPS but still has the shaft slightly lower at address than at impact. He picks the club up a little steep on the backswing, but drops it in the slot nicely on the downswing. Steve Stricker's swing is a little closer to a SPS. Although his hands are a little below his shoulders at address, before he starts the backswing he raises them up slightly to get closer to the plane. If you look at a face-on view at address, the shaft is on a line up the lead arm to his shoulder, which is a common trait of a SPS. StrokerAce 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgDaddy Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Welcome aboard. Quote Driver - Rogue ST Max Woods - Rogue ST Max 3, 5 & 7 Woods Irons - Rogue ST Max Wedges - Zipcore RTX 6 50° CBX2 54* & 58* Putter - Evnroll ER2 Rangefinder - NX-10 Slope Ball - Pro Tour Drip Bag - Xtreme Cart 7.0 Bag Heather/Red/White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Kuchar is close to a SPS but still has the shaft slightly lower at address than at impact. He picks the club up a little steep on the backswing, but drops it in the slot nicely on the downswing. Steve Stricker's swing is a little closer to a SPS. Although his hands are a little below his shoulders at address, before he starts the backswing he raises them up slightly to get closer to the plane. If you look at a face-on view at address, the shaft is on a line up the lead arm to his shoulder, which is a common trait of a SPS. Would you consider Zach Johnson as having a SPS? Rickie? Funny how there seem to be certain characteristics of it in a lot of guys that aren't super long but deadly accurate Sent from my LG-D851 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Axis1 TourHM Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Would you consider Zach Johnson as having a SPS? Rickie? Funny how there seem to be certain characteristics of it in a lot of guys that aren't super long but deadly accurate Sent from my LG-D851 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Definitely No and No. The shaft is on a completely different plane at address than at impact. StrokerAce 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Definitely No and No. The shaft is on a completely different plane at address than at impact.Forgot one... Ben Hogan? Some say he was one of the first SPS. Remember reading his book and him saying imagine like your head is sticking through a plate of glass and it goes at a 45 degree angle to the ground and over your head and your job is not to break the glass... Sent from my LG-D851 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Kenny B 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Axis1 TourHM Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Forgot one... Ben Hogan? Some say he was one of the first SPS. Remember reading his book and him saying imagine like your head is sticking through a plate of glass and it goes at a 45 degree angle to the ground and over your head and your job is not to break the glass... Sent from my LG-D851 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Ben Hogan and Moe Norman played a lot of golf together. I'm not surprised that their swings were similar. It's a simple repeatable swing that doesn't stress the body. Hogan's swing is very much a SPS even though his hands were slightly dropped below his shoulders whereas Moe's hands were out away from his body, arms inline with the shaft. Also, from a face-on view Hogan's club was pointed at the center of his body, whereas Moe's club was inline with his lead arm, pointed at the lead shoulder which is where it needs to be at impact. Both swings are flat by today's standards. If you start out with hands below your shoulders, the club is on a different plane than it is at impact. To get to impact the shaft has to elevate which raises the lead shoulder and straightens the lead leg. Nothing wrong with it, but requires more coordination and timing, and it's hard on the lead knee, IMHO. If you watch videos of both players at impact, their left knee is flexed... old school. Today, players are taught to post up on their lead leg, ala Tiger. Look what that did to his knee. It was very interesting yesterday at The Memorial; Jack mentioned this. Said that's the way kids are taught today, and he thinks it's bad for knees. He said he was taught by Jack Grout to have flex in his knee, which is why he sort of fell back on his follow-through. StrokerAce 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efdeel Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) double posts Edited December 26, 2019 by efdeel Shankster 1 Quote My Moe Norman inspired swing: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE40xTzF_u3MtPSHfe20Jmw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efdeel Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 single plane driving range session: sorry for bad camera angle, I was forget to bring tripod. It just camera on top of my bag. Quote My Moe Norman inspired swing: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE40xTzF_u3MtPSHfe20Jmw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDel90 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Hey all! Just joined the forum. I'm about 3 weeks into my transition to SPS. Definitely been watching a lot of the Todd Graves channel on YouTube (as well as read his book). Things seem to be progressing nicely so far! Starting to feel a big and good difference in ball striking. Kenny B 1 Quote Bag: Sub 70 Cart Series bag Driver: Ping G425 LST 9 deg (set to 7.5 deg/"big minus") Mitsubishi C6 Blue Stiff 55g Grip JumboMax Ultralite (=std grip Jumbo size) 3W: Ping G410 14.5 deg (Set to 13.5 deg) Mitsubishi C6 Blue Stiff 65g Grip JumboMax (=std grip Jumbo size) Hybrid: 19 deg (Set to 18) deg Ping G410 hybrid Mitsubishi C6 Black Stiff 80g Grip JumboMax Ultralite (=std grip Jumbo size) Irons: 5-GW Irons Cobra Forged Tec X KBS Tour Lite Regular -0.25" Grip JumboMax (=std grip Jumbo size) Wedges: 50-07 S-grind, 54-08 D-grind and 58-12 deg D-grind Mizuno T22 Denim Copper Grip Golf Pride Z-Grip Putter: Cobra King 3D Printed Agera Armlock Putter 41" Game Ball: Maxfli TourX CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffly Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 6/24/2016 at 2:30 PM, Bigdog55 said: I am new member. Anyone using a single plane swing? I use a one plane swing - it is a Cessna. It doesn't have a lot of power or go very far but, it's fun to fly. Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I realized recently that my swing is close to single plane. I am self taught and ever read Hogan's Five Lessons so that likely has to do with it. Hands not quite in line with the shaft but close and extend a good ways from the body. I have always struggled with dropping the club to a new plane when I try that. I am sure I do it a bit but pretty close to one plane, and definitely a flat swing. For a longtime felt I needed to change it but going back to it recently and with Bryson's win, just gotta own it. It works for me and I agree with others makes the game easier and more fun. Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digforged Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 not to stir the pot but Single Plane and One Plane are different swing concepts. BDC is the only tour player using SP, but there are several One Plane players on tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 not to stir the pot but Single Plane and One Plane are different swing concepts. BDC is the only tour player using SP, but there are several One Plane players on tour.Interested in learning about the differences. Can you expand on the differences or provide a link to something that can. I have only heard if one plane and two plane. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 7:49 PM, RDel90 said: Hey all! Just joined the forum. I'm about 3 weeks into my transition to SPS. Definitely been watching a lot of the Todd Graves channel on YouTube (as well as read his book). Things seem to be progressing nicely so far! Starting to feel a big and good difference in ball striking. I followed Graves for 10 years and the SPS is very helpful to hit the ball straight. I attended several of his clinics. However, I found that for me, the SPS limited my ability to improve distance, and that's what I need now that I'm in my 70's. I have a number of Grave's training aids that I can sell at reduced prices if you are interested. Shankster 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 There are some references here about Hogan being a single plane swing, but his book talks about the backswing being steeper than the downswing. I just checked my copy and on page 71 the diagram clearly states this. I didn't check video of his swing, but is it a case of his actual swing being different than what he talked about in his book? Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digforged Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 46 minutes ago, cnosil said: Interested in learning about the differences. Can you expand on the differences or provide a link to something that can. I have only heard if one plane and two plane. Single Plane; the shaft and right arm are inline with each other. You address the ball in the position that you’d be in when you strike the ball. Moe Norman called it Natural Golf and Todd Graves coined the term Single Plane. One Plane; the shaft and hands are on the same plane as the shoulders. This swing requires a shallowing move before impact because of the steepness of the shoulders in the backswing. To find a much better definition I’d suggest YouTube. Todd Graves for SP and Jim Hardy for OP. Their very different concepts and I’m certainly no expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Single Plane; the shaft and right arm are inline with each other. You address the ball in the position that you’d be in when you strike the ball. Moe Norman called it Natural Golf and Todd Graves coined the term Single Plane. One Plane; the shaft and hands are on the same plane as the shoulders. This swing requires a shallowing move before impact because of the steepness of the shoulders in the backswing. To find a much better definition I’d suggest YouTube. Todd Graves for SP and Jim Hardy for OP. Their very different concepts and I’m certainly no expert. Did some quick reading and it seems like the same concept with graves defining it to be exactly like the Moe Norman swing and on a particular plane. Less rigid instructors take it to mean the back and forward swing are on the same plane. Subtle differences just like you would find in two plane swings with some being more vertical and some being more laid off. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Shapotomous said: There are some references here about Hogan being a single plane swing, but his book talks about the backswing being steeper than the downswing. I just checked my copy and on page 71 the diagram clearly states this. I didn't check video of his swing, but is it a case of his actual swing being different than what he talked about in his book? Take a look at his address position vs. his impact position. The club shaft is on a nearly identical plane. Kuchar does this as well. Even Moe was steeper on one of the other on takeaway and through swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Shapotomous said: There are some references here about Hogan being a single plane swing, but his book talks about the backswing being steeper than the downswing. I just checked my copy and on page 71 the diagram clearly states this. I didn't check video of his swing, but is it a case of his actual swing being different than what he talked about in his book? There are a few instances of that from his book. Thanks everyone for the differences given these new considerations I would imagine that I am more One Plane player than single plain. Either way easier for me than a more pronounced transition in a more traditional swing. Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMex Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 This is what goes through my mind,,,, ejgaudette 1 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F-8 set at 10.5, Aldila NV 2KXV Blue 60 (R) 44 1/2 " 3 & 5 WOOD: Callaway XR-16, Fujikura Speeder Evolution 565 Red (R) IRONS 5-SW: PING G-700, 2 upright, std loft Alta CB (R) + 1/2" HYBRID 3-4: PING G-410, 1 upright, Alta CB 70 Red (R) + 1/2" PUTTER: Byron Experimental GSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, MadMex said: This is what goes through my mind,,,, This is a good one, I think I have seen this some before. I like to imagine this is exactly the thoughts going through Bryson's head before he hits a shot. Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowev01 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on this. Moe had a wonderful swing, and this picture has always blown me out of the water. Look at that club face moments before impact. You know that ball took off like a scalded dog. Shankster 1 Quote Titleist 975J Callaway Hawkeye 3 Wood Ben Hogan CFT Hybrid, Apex Plus Irons Cleveland 588 Wedges Scotty Newport 2 Mid Slant Pro Platinum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Crowev01 said: Enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on this. Moe had a wonderful swing, and this picture has always blown me out of the water. Look at that club face moments before impact. You know that ball took off like a scalded dog. I think this is a picture of Moe demonstrating his “feel”. Glad you enjoyed the thread, one plane has been fun so far. Crowev01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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