ga_pike Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 On the horizontal line, as a shaft moves closer to "fade" is this designating the shaft will produce more fade or more fade correction? TIA MGoBlue100, GolfSpy_APH and Cfhandyman 3 Quote Driver: Cobra LTDx Max 5 wood, 7 wood: Cobra Speedzone 5 hybrid: Callaway Forged CB 24* Irons: Sub 70 699 (6), 659MB Raw (7-PW) Wedges: Sub70 286 50*, Edel 55*, 60* Putter: PXG Bat Attack Hail Southern and no place else!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03trdblack Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 The fade side of that graph indicates a shaft with a stiffer tip that will prevent the club from turning over and encourage more of a fade. The draw side of the chart has shafts with softer tips that will deflect more and would be more likely to help the club face close quicker and produce more of a draw shape. That's also why you see most of the draw side as higher launch and the fade side as lower launch. Hope that helps. Cfhandyman, nedderto, MGoBlue100 and 1 other 4 Quote My bag is a revolving door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ga_pike Posted September 1, 2022 Author Share Posted September 1, 2022 Thanks. Just confirms what I was already thinking. Appreciate the response. Quote Driver: Cobra LTDx Max 5 wood, 7 wood: Cobra Speedzone 5 hybrid: Callaway Forged CB 24* Irons: Sub 70 699 (6), 659MB Raw (7-PW) Wedges: Sub70 286 50*, Edel 55*, 60* Putter: PXG Bat Attack Hail Southern and no place else!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylorJudd Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Almost 4 months later but this diagram is awesome for picking a shaft from Graphite Design! Is there any way to pin this? @GolfSpy_APH MGoBlue100 1 Quote I like golf. You should like golf. If life is tough, play more golf! Callaway Paradym Triple Diamond 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-MJ 6x Titleist TSr3 18 Degree, Graphite Design Tour Ad-DI 7x Takomo 301CB's, KBS Tours 120S Vokey SM8 48 10F, 52 08F, 56 08M, 60 08M Odyssey O-Works Jailbird Mini, Versa Scheme, 17" Fatso 3.0 Grip, 40" Jazz Tacoma Cart Bag Titleist Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 hours ago, TylorJudd said: Almost 4 months later but this diagram is awesome for picking a shaft from Graphite Design! Is there any way to pin this? @GolfSpy_APH Been pinned TylorJudd, MGoBlue100 and Cfhandyman 3 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajlacombe Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) One comment on the Graphite Design Shafts, make sure you try out different weights and flexes. I have a bunch of these shafts and I started using the TP 50S and liked it a lot, but when I was testing them for my fairways, I had them in 60g versions and started playing with them in the driver and reducing the driver head weight a touch. To shorten the story, I ended up moving to the SR shaft, which is Stiff-Regular at 44.5", and it was an amazing move for me. So 50S to 60SR. The fairways ended up with their fairway shaft at 65SR. You can look at that chart and say that the IZ, DI and TP are pretty much the same, and they are not. Whether or not you can discern the differences is another story. My driver shaft is the DI. Edited November 29, 2023 by ajlacombe chisag and Cfhandyman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhi1 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just got the Tour AD DI 7x. Got it in the Callaway Rogue ST Max LS. Never hit the shaft before but Callaway preowned was having a sale and got the driver and shaft for too good of a price to pass up so took a chance. Only hit a few times on the sim but like it so far. Shaft has a different feel tha anything I’ve hit before! TylorJudd 1 Quote Paradym 9* GD Tour AD IZ 6x Paradym 3W GD Tour AD IZ 7s Paradym 5W HZrdus Red 6S ZX5 4-5 Project X 6.0 ZX7 6-PW Project X 6.0 MG4 48* Bent to 50* MG2 TW Grind 56* Vokey SM9 60* K Grind AI-One Cruiser Jailbird Pro V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylorJudd Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 They have this buttery feeling, very smooth. I have the Tour AD-G 60g S, at 45.5" Quote I like golf. You should like golf. If life is tough, play more golf! Callaway Paradym Triple Diamond 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-MJ 6x Titleist TSr3 18 Degree, Graphite Design Tour Ad-DI 7x Takomo 301CB's, KBS Tours 120S Vokey SM8 48 10F, 52 08F, 56 08M, 60 08M Odyssey O-Works Jailbird Mini, Versa Scheme, 17" Fatso 3.0 Grip, 40" Jazz Tacoma Cart Bag Titleist Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldie Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 On 12/23/2022 at 7:00 AM, ajlacombe said: One comment on the Graphite Design Shafts, make sure your try out different weights and flexes. I have a bunch of these shafts and I started using the TP 50S and liked it a lot, but when I was testing them for my fairways, I had them in 60g versions and started playing with them in the driver and reducing the driver headweight a touch. To shorten the story, I ended up moving the SR shaft, which is Stiff-Regular at 44.5", and it was an amazing move for me. So 50S to 60SR. The fairways ended up with their fairway shaft at 65SR. You can look at that chart and say that the IZ, DI and TP are pretty much the same, and they are not. Whether or not you can discern the differences is another story. My driver shaft is the DI. May I ask what your ss and tempo are? thanks....goldie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajlacombe Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 8 hours ago, goldie said: May I ask what your ss and tempo are? thanks....goldie Tough question, because swinging indoors vs outdoors yields different swing speeds especially with a driver. About 100mph with driver and tempo is smoothish - the faster I swing the more agressive the transition becomes, but I am still on the smoother side of tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wely324 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Moved from ventus black into addi. So much happier. Combo the addi with the tsr4 and I’m getting an awesome piercing trajectory and I don’t feel like I have to swing so hard. Their is a more pronounced kick, mid section but with the stiff tip I have some great control. Ventus black profile just didn’t match up with me. KC Golf and Hoyoymac 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just thought I would mention this…. After trying a few Graphite Design shafts over the Winter, I ended up being fitted for a Tour AD DI 6S stiff for my Driver and my FW. It’s been great. Love the feel and love the distance these smooth shafts provide. Until seeing the charts in this thread, I had never seen or heard of all of the different GD shaft options. Some of the other shafts were pretty good too, but the smoothness and the feel of the AD and the numbers were just ideal. So this has been great. I think I may even try getting a used shaft on my hybrid if I can get fitted for a Ping Hybrid. Not sure when I can give it a try and have the budget to do that. Right now my off the shelf stock Tensei AV Blue stiff on my old TS Hybrid is so money, I don’t want to change out of it. GolfSpy_APH 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff U-510 19 Utility Iron HZDUS Smoke Black 6.0 Stiff 5-PW 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Loyal MCC Plus 4 Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 8 hours ago, KC Golf said: Just thought I would mention this…. After trying a few Graphite Design shafts over the Winter, I ended up being fitted for a Tour AD 6S stiff for my Driver and my FW. It’s been great. Love the feel and love the distance these smooth shafts provide. Until seeing the charts in this thread, I had never seen or heard of all of the different GD shaft options. Some of the other shafts were pretty good too, but the smoothness and the feel of the AD and the numbers were just ideal. So this has been great. I think I may even try getting a used shaft on my hybrid if I can get fitted for a Ping Hybrid. Not sure when I can give it a try and have the budget to do that. Right now my off the shelf stock Tensei AV Blue stiff on my old TS Hybrid is so money, I don’t want to change out of it. The ad di is basically a blue design so the tensei av blue is going to be a very similar shaft design. What changes between all the manufactures blue design is the amount of stiffness in each section of the shaft but it’s not something that drastically different between them. So other than the hzrdus rdx blue which is counterbalanced you should be able to get along with any blue design KC Golf 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStapp Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 On 9/1/2022 at 6:50 AM, ga_pike said: On the horizontal line, as a shaft moves closer to "fade" is this designating the shaft will produce more fade or more fade correction? TIA This will encourage more of a fade. Quote Driver: Paradym Triple Diamond 3 Wood: Stealth Plus Hybrid: Stealth Plus Irons: Srixon ZX7 Wedges: MG2 50* MG3 54* and SM9 58* M Grind Putter: Evnroll EV5 GolfBall: 2023 ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyoymac Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Updated shaft chart for 2024 KC Golf, Cfhandyman, GolfSpy_APH and 1 other 4 Quote Cobra LTDx LS 9.0 TPT Power Range 18 LO Cobra LTDx 3W lofted to 16.5 TPT 17 HI Tour Edge E723 21 degree Diamana Thump f85 S Cobra LTDx 24 degree 5 hybrid TPT 17 LO Corey Paul - 5 & 6 CB with KBS $-Taper 120 Stiff Black Corey Paul 7 - PW Japan Forged Minimalist Blades KBS $-Taper 120 Stiff Chrome Corey Paul Functional Art 52, 56 & 60 all with BGT ZNE shafts Odyssey O Works Black #7 with BGT Stability Tour Shaft, SuperStroke Traxion 3.0 & 75g CounterCore Bridgestone Tour BRX or MaxFli Tour Tracked by Arccos, Bushnell V4, Vessel Lux XV 2.0 bag, Bag Boy quad XL cart with Alphard V2 wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylorJudd Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Hoyoymac said: Updated shaft chart for 2024 Thank you for this! Quote I like golf. You should like golf. If life is tough, play more golf! Callaway Paradym Triple Diamond 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-MJ 6x Titleist TSr3 18 Degree, Graphite Design Tour Ad-DI 7x Takomo 301CB's, KBS Tours 120S Vokey SM8 48 10F, 52 08F, 56 08M, 60 08M Odyssey O-Works Jailbird Mini, Versa Scheme, 17" Fatso 3.0 Grip, 40" Jazz Tacoma Cart Bag Titleist Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Golf Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Another chart from Japan. Draw / Fade vs Low / High launch. With Tiger using this with his TaylorMade QI-10, the VF orders will be off the charts! cnosil, Rtracymog, Cfhandyman and 3 others 5 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff U-510 19 Utility Iron HZDUS Smoke Black 6.0 Stiff 5-PW 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Loyal MCC Plus 4 Sensor User Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Would actually love to try the VF in whatever the lowest spinning head with lowest loft and see if I could get the thing off the ground! KC Golf and Rtracymog 2 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 11 hours ago, KC Golf said: Another chart from Japan. Draw / Fade vs Low / High launch. With Tiger using this with his TaylorMade QI-10, the VF orders will be off the charts! An English translation would be nice. Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke TD, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - Callaway Paradym 3HL, Newton Motion Fairway shaft, 4-Dot HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Sub 70 849, ProForce Black 80-S Irons - Callaway Paradym, HZRDUS Silver Gen 4, S-flex Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - (currently in flux, but usually an Evnroll 8V Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) Bags - Ghost Golf Maverick Black Ops Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, funkyjudge said: An English translation would be nice. Higher/Lower/Draw/Fade, just like the chart further up the page. Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 41 minutes ago, funkyjudge said: An English translation would be nice. I hate charts like this in any language. As you know from doing fittings two different people swing the same shaft in the same head can see different ball flights. But I get it that the shaft manufacturers have to give some kind of reference for the design from a launch/spin perspective but the fade draw kills me funkyjudge 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) (OK) Edited November 29, 2023 by funkyjudge Deleted Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke TD, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - Callaway Paradym 3HL, Newton Motion Fairway shaft, 4-Dot HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Sub 70 849, ProForce Black 80-S Irons - Callaway Paradym, HZRDUS Silver Gen 4, S-flex Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - (currently in flux, but usually an Evnroll 8V Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) Bags - Ghost Golf Maverick Black Ops Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I hate charts like this in any language. As you know from doing fittings two different people swing the same shaft in the same head can see different ball flights. But I get it that the shaft manufacturers have to give some kind of reference for the design from a launch/spin perspective but the fade draw kills me +1 to that! Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke TD, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - Callaway Paradym 3HL, Newton Motion Fairway shaft, 4-Dot HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Sub 70 849, ProForce Black 80-S Irons - Callaway Paradym, HZRDUS Silver Gen 4, S-flex Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - (currently in flux, but usually an Evnroll 8V Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) Bags - Ghost Golf Maverick Black Ops Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyoymac Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 In the past year I’ve tried the Tour AD DI, IZ, VR, MT, TP and UB. All purchased second hand off EBay. The Tour AD DI 7S paired with a Cobra LTDx 15 degree 3 wood set at 16.5 is a match made in heaven for me. Best I’ve ever had. Dependable and great performance. It has literally changed my game. It is so good that it took me down the Graphite Design rabbit hole to try to achieve similar magic with my driver and my 7 wood. I’ve come close, but try as I might I haven’t been able to match the performance and consistency in any other club besides that one. KC Golf 1 Quote Cobra LTDx LS 9.0 TPT Power Range 18 LO Cobra LTDx 3W lofted to 16.5 TPT 17 HI Tour Edge E723 21 degree Diamana Thump f85 S Cobra LTDx 24 degree 5 hybrid TPT 17 LO Corey Paul - 5 & 6 CB with KBS $-Taper 120 Stiff Black Corey Paul 7 - PW Japan Forged Minimalist Blades KBS $-Taper 120 Stiff Chrome Corey Paul Functional Art 52, 56 & 60 all with BGT ZNE shafts Odyssey O Works Black #7 with BGT Stability Tour Shaft, SuperStroke Traxion 3.0 & 75g CounterCore Bridgestone Tour BRX or MaxFli Tour Tracked by Arccos, Bushnell V4, Vessel Lux XV 2.0 bag, Bag Boy quad XL cart with Alphard V2 wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylorJudd Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I hate charts like this in any language. As you know from doing fittings two different people swing the same shaft in the same head can see different ball flights. But I get it that the shaft manufacturers have to give some kind of reference for the design from a launch/spin perspective but the fade draw kills me +1 Manufacturers shouldn’t be allowed to say what “spin” a shaft will create because it’s not true. A shaft doesn’t spin the ball, the club head does. It has influences but are incredibly subjective to each golfer and that swing. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote I like golf. You should like golf. If life is tough, play more golf! Callaway Paradym Triple Diamond 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-MJ 6x Titleist TSr3 18 Degree, Graphite Design Tour Ad-DI 7x Takomo 301CB's, KBS Tours 120S Vokey SM8 48 10F, 52 08F, 56 08M, 60 08M Odyssey O-Works Jailbird Mini, Versa Scheme, 17" Fatso 3.0 Grip, 40" Jazz Tacoma Cart Bag Titleist Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 minute ago, TylorJudd said: +1 Manufacturers shouldn’t be allowed to say what “spin” a shaft will create because it’s not true. A shaft doesn’t spin the ball, the club head does. It has influences but are incredibly subjective to each golfer and that swing. Exactly. It has influence on swing which has impact on delivery which is what will generate the launch characteristics for that particular golfer. And even with the same shaft spin and launch will change for every 1/8” change in where the ball contacts the face. Ive seen guys with a low/low shaft in a low spin head still have too much spin because they were adding lift at impact and hitting low heel KC Golf and TylorJudd 1 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylorJudd Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 12 hours ago, Hoyoymac said: In the past year I’ve tried the Tour AD DI, IZ, VR, MT, TP and UB. All purchased second hand off EBay. The Tour AD DI 7S paired with a Cobra LTDx 15 degree 3 wood set at 16.5 is a match made in heaven for me. Best I’ve ever had. Dependable and great performance. It has literally changed my game. It is so good that it took me down the Graphite Design rabbit hole to try to achieve similar magic with my driver and my 7 wood. I’ve come close, but try as I might I haven’t been able to match the performance and consistency in any other club besides that one. I’m about to grab a DI 7x for my TSr3 5 wood on Friday. They feel nice, chances of having the same shafts on woods seems like a pipe dream though, I play a Ventus black velocore 7x on my stealth 2+ 3 wood yet I can hit both quite similarly. You could easily argue those 2 shafts shouldn’t produce anything close to each other. Have a HZRDUS black gen 4 in my paradym TD and it’s pure trash. Can hardly hit a good ball with it now. Played the AD-G prior and it was actually one of the better shafts I’ve played Quote I like golf. You should like golf. If life is tough, play more golf! Callaway Paradym Triple Diamond 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-MJ 6x Titleist TSr3 18 Degree, Graphite Design Tour Ad-DI 7x Takomo 301CB's, KBS Tours 120S Vokey SM8 48 10F, 52 08F, 56 08M, 60 08M Odyssey O-Works Jailbird Mini, Versa Scheme, 17" Fatso 3.0 Grip, 40" Jazz Tacoma Cart Bag Titleist Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 8 hours ago, TylorJudd said: I’m about to grab a DI 7x for my TSr3 5 wood on Friday. They feel nice, chances of having the same shafts on woods seems like a pipe dream though, I play a Ventus black velocore 7x on my stealth 2+ 3 wood yet I can hit both quite similarly. You could easily argue those 2 shafts shouldn’t produce anything close to each other. For most people two different shafts aren’t going to be that far off from each other. If the shaft doesn’t cause a significant change in the swing due to feel the results will be similar. This has been shown in shaft testing by Callaway and others on a robot. From a lightweight soft flex shaft up to long drive shafts at different speeds the launch and spin change very little between all the shafts. It’s the human factor and how we react that causes change in delivery and thus the launch characteristics Another Steve 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyoymac Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 My results with the Graphite Design Tour AD shafts did not match up exactly with the charts referenced previously in the thread. But there was some correlation. For me here is what I found. Highest Flight - AD MT AD IZ AD DI AD TP AD UB Lowest Flight - AD VR Most Draw - VR, Most Fade - DI Best Feeling - DI & VR Harshest feeling - UB Playing the AD VR 6S currently in a Cobra LTDx LS 9 degree Driver set at -1. Had been playing the DI 6S in driver and the TP 8S in an LTDx 1 degree 7 wood, but sold both shafts to a friend and they are working well for him. KC Golf and cnosil 2 Quote Cobra LTDx LS 9.0 TPT Power Range 18 LO Cobra LTDx 3W lofted to 16.5 TPT 17 HI Tour Edge E723 21 degree Diamana Thump f85 S Cobra LTDx 24 degree 5 hybrid TPT 17 LO Corey Paul - 5 & 6 CB with KBS $-Taper 120 Stiff Black Corey Paul 7 - PW Japan Forged Minimalist Blades KBS $-Taper 120 Stiff Chrome Corey Paul Functional Art 52, 56 & 60 all with BGT ZNE shafts Odyssey O Works Black #7 with BGT Stability Tour Shaft, SuperStroke Traxion 3.0 & 75g CounterCore Bridgestone Tour BRX or MaxFli Tour Tracked by Arccos, Bushnell V4, Vessel Lux XV 2.0 bag, Bag Boy quad XL cart with Alphard V2 wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Doesn't the shaft mfgr use robo hitting machine to isolate all othr variables? I think it is good for GD to make this chart showing what their controlled tests do. They engineer and make differnet shafts to achieve diff goals. They know the bend profile of their models that they design. I would think it make a good starting point, like the Ping Lie angle color codes. A guide, not a handcuff. The 4 section number chart that Miyazaki/XXIO etc. use tells me more than just S/R/A flex. Quote Drv: PXG 0211, Evnflo Riptide CB Senior, Callaway 454 TI (2004) 10 and an 11, regular flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr Tensei Blue CK 55 gram senior. TM Burner Superfast 3.0 M flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1 on Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC 3 18 degree, on Mamiya Recoil reg flex. 4 iron: forged Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree hollow body. 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil reg flex. Gap: 52/9 GFF Mizuno S5, Lob: 60/6 GFF Mizuno T7. Sand: Ancien Regime 56/12 Hogan Sure Out, Apex shaft. Heavy sole. Chipper: Ancien Regime Don Martin "Up n In" bronze or copper. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, 2 piece, multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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